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actually, current SC2 scene is dominated by ex-WC3 players. all the brood war players like Ret are getting beaten, incl NonY, Mondragon, the list goes on. eg, TSL!!
The best SC player i think that has transitioned to SC2 is BRAT_OK, what a beast! 
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On May 13 2011 08:20 Lifendeaf wrote:
You also skirted around the fact that ex BW competitive players such as Boxer, July and Nada are yet to really win anything major in SC2... They continuely get dominated by these players that you say are "noobs" such as MC and MVP... Why is that? Maybe these players have improved or maybe the 2 games are so different thats its totally pointless trying to compare them.
I find it amazing how many people there are out there trying to discredit SC2 pro gamers and the SC2
What do you mean skirted around.... He covers that in the article, decently well if you ask me.
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On May 13 2011 08:19 Seide wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 08:16 reg0ner wrote:On May 13 2011 08:10 Beyonder wrote:On May 13 2011 08:06 Ribbon wrote:On May 13 2011 08:01 Beyonder wrote:On May 13 2011 08:00 Ribbon wrote:On May 13 2011 07:57 billyX333 wrote:On May 13 2011 07:55 Ribbon wrote:On May 13 2011 07:49 billyX333 wrote:On May 13 2011 07:45 Omoplata wrote:
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Is being passive-aggressive also the adult way?
You can't be offended by opinions? You aren't offended by people that think black people are inferior? Or that women are inferior? Or any one of a multitude of things that are, and should be offensive to rational-minded people? If someone is offended by something they aren't an adult? Really?
Calling SC2 competition a farce is condescending, and that should be offensive to anyone that competes in SC2. MC? Hahaha, Broodwar scrub. What a farce. Nestea? Broodwar scrub. Total farce. Fruitdealer? Yet another scrub. Yet another farce.
Cherry-picking statistics doesn't validate condescension. have you ever read a sports article in your entire life? and ffs drop the fucking comparison to racism and sexism. sports writers always call out athletes for being scrubs. thats why we read I have never in my life read a sports article on the front page of a sport's biggest website arguing that the sport in question was a farce. Have you ever seen a Sports Illustrated with a cover story of "The Top 20 Reasons Football is For Retards?" OP may make a good argument, but it's needless inflammatory and condescending. hello fellow american. have you ever read an article about american soccer or listened to jim rome talk about soccer obviously not On the FIFA site? Teamliquid isn't some guy, or even a big e-sports site. It's the BW/SC2 website. Granted, a large part of the reason Team Liquid is so big is because pro gamers post here, and we just ran a front-page article calling them a bunch of lazy pussies whose games are only good for comedy, so I hope they have thick skins. We are a news site, we are not blizzard. The top news sites have covered such topics, of course. I will stop complaining if you link me to an official news post in the last ten years on this site saying Brood War sucks, or even sucked at that particular time compared to some point in the past. Bonus points if it insults every single player and calls the scene a farce or some similar language. We had nothing to compare it to, or at least no other game. There has never been a similar game to BW. I'm sure that you can find some critical stuff if you look well though. TL has never been afraid to say what deserves to be said. Anyways, night time. Hope people can (learn to) appreciate another opinion. There's nothing scary about it. This whole piece was one big poop on the SC2 scene that I and everyone I know enjoys. One big middle finger to all the casters hyping up some awesome play, some players bringing in some great energy and personality and all the fans that care deeply about SC2. Man, does anyone actually care about Flash or Jaedong right now? They aren't in the scene and they're making big money playing sc1, good for them. I care about the SC2 scene and enjoy watching all the games. I am glad this article was written. I think the people who are not willing to look at this and say "Yeah we still have a long way to go", are giving one big middle finger to the people who care deeply about SC2.
Is anyone actually saying that though? I can't even count how many times people have said that SC2 hasn't even been out a year yet and is still being figured out so it's not really valid to compare it to a 13 year old game.
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On May 13 2011 08:19 Ribbon wrote:
I think I'm going to go play Starcraft, rather than keep arguing and eventually getting myself banned for being stupid.
I've been playing Brood War recently, and enjoying myself, but it's a little less appealing now. I think I'll play SC2 instead.
I guess people will have it that little bit harder getting from D to D+ now since you aren't there to give them a boost.
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On May 13 2011 08:18 Synistre wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 07:30 Beyonder wrote:
People take stuff so serious these days.. :o Because it was stated in a serious, very matter-of-factly tone, lined with heavy elitism and condescension towards the very community that fuels the growth of this site and esports on the whole. It was a well written piece of trolling garbage, and you featured it on the front page. This in itself is worrying and disappointing, not to even mention the avalanche of venomous comments that followed from both sides, but mostly self-proclaimed BW veterans (e.g. Murderotica). It reminds me of all the reasons why I don't like frequenting forums, and makes me have second thoughts about spending my time here. Isn't TL supposed to be above this kind of immature flame wars? Aren't mods and veteran posters supposed to lead by good example? What good could possibly come from this?
Love this^
What's worse was the whole debacle over at sixjax. You highbrow over on their comments but create dissension between your very own loyal viewers and members in your own site with this pile of poop polluting its front page?
Jesus... what a mess.
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On May 13 2011 08:21 Murderotica wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 08:19 Ribbon wrote:
I think I'm going to go play Starcraft, rather than keep arguing and eventually getting myself banned for being stupid.
I've been playing Brood War recently, and enjoying myself, but it's a little less appealing now. I think I'll play SC2 instead. I guess people will have it that little bit harder getting from D to D+ now since you aren't there to give them a boost.
Is this the 'mature' BW fan response?
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On May 13 2011 08:16 reg0ner wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 08:10 Beyonder wrote:On May 13 2011 08:06 Ribbon wrote:On May 13 2011 08:01 Beyonder wrote:On May 13 2011 08:00 Ribbon wrote:On May 13 2011 07:57 billyX333 wrote:On May 13 2011 07:55 Ribbon wrote:On May 13 2011 07:49 billyX333 wrote:On May 13 2011 07:45 Omoplata wrote:On May 13 2011 07:37 Beyonder wrote:
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I think that him eloquently writing down his (backed up!) view is actually very mature. Dialogue is the adult way. Taking offense to anothers opinion on the other hand... Is being passive-aggressive also the adult way? You can't be offended by opinions? You aren't offended by people that think black people are inferior? Or that women are inferior? Or any one of a multitude of things that are, and should be offensive to rational-minded people? If someone is offended by something they aren't an adult? Really? Calling SC2 competition a farce is condescending, and that should be offensive to anyone that competes in SC2. MC? Hahaha, Broodwar scrub. What a farce. Nestea? Broodwar scrub. Total farce. Fruitdealer? Yet another scrub. Yet another farce. Cherry-picking statistics doesn't validate condescension. have you ever read a sports article in your entire life? and ffs drop the fucking comparison to racism and sexism. sports writers always call out athletes for being scrubs. thats why we read I have never in my life read a sports article on the front page of a sport's biggest website arguing that the sport in question was a farce. Have you ever seen a Sports Illustrated with a cover story of "The Top 20 Reasons Football is For Retards?" OP may make a good argument, but it's needless inflammatory and condescending. hello fellow american. have you ever read an article about american soccer or listened to jim rome talk about soccer obviously not On the FIFA site? Teamliquid isn't some guy, or even a big e-sports site. It's the BW/SC2 website. Granted, a large part of the reason Team Liquid is so big is because pro gamers post here, and we just ran a front-page article calling them a bunch of lazy pussies whose games are only good for comedy, so I hope they have thick skins. We are a news site, we are not blizzard. The top news sites have covered such topics, of course. I will stop complaining if you link me to an official news post in the last ten years on this site saying Brood War sucks, or even sucked at that particular time compared to some point in the past. Bonus points if it insults every single player and calls the scene a farce or some similar language. We had nothing to compare it to, or at least no other game. There has never been a similar game to BW. I'm sure that you can find some critical stuff if you look well though. TL has never been afraid to say what deserves to be said. Anyways, night time. Hope people can (learn to) appreciate another opinion. There's nothing scary about it. This whole piece was one big poop on the SC2 scene that I and everyone I know enjoys. One big middle finger to all the casters hyping up some awesome play, some players bringing in some great energy and personality and all the fans that care deeply about SC2. Man, does anyone actually care about Flash or Jaedong right now? They aren't in the scene and they're making big money playing sc1, good for them.
So much this.
No need to write a piece comming on so aggressive against a scene, I actually enjoy following. Tbh it does make OP sound bitter
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On May 13 2011 08:18 Murderotica wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 08:11 Ribbon wrote:On May 13 2011 08:08 billyX333 wrote:On May 13 2011 08:06 Ribbon wrote:On May 13 2011 08:01 Beyonder wrote:On May 13 2011 08:00 Ribbon wrote:On May 13 2011 07:57 billyX333 wrote:On May 13 2011 07:55 Ribbon wrote:On May 13 2011 07:49 billyX333 wrote:On May 13 2011 07:45 Omoplata wrote:
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Is being passive-aggressive also the adult way?
You can't be offended by opinions? You aren't offended by people that think black people are inferior? Or that women are inferior? Or any one of a multitude of things that are, and should be offensive to rational-minded people? If someone is offended by something they aren't an adult? Really?
Calling SC2 competition a farce is condescending, and that should be offensive to anyone that competes in SC2. MC? Hahaha, Broodwar scrub. What a farce. Nestea? Broodwar scrub. Total farce. Fruitdealer? Yet another scrub. Yet another farce.
Cherry-picking statistics doesn't validate condescension. have you ever read a sports article in your entire life? and ffs drop the fucking comparison to racism and sexism. sports writers always call out athletes for being scrubs. thats why we read I have never in my life read a sports article on the front page of a sport's biggest website arguing that the sport in question was a farce. Have you ever seen a Sports Illustrated with a cover story of "The Top 20 Reasons Football is For Retards?" OP may make a good argument, but it's needless inflammatory and condescending. hello fellow american. have you ever read an article about american soccer or listened to jim rome talk about soccer obviously not On the FIFA site? Teamliquid isn't some guy, or even a big e-sports site. It's the BW/SC2 website. Granted, a large part of the reason Team Liquid is so big is because pro gamers post here, and we just ran a front-page article calling them a bunch of lazy pussies whose games are only good for comedy, so I hope they have thick skins. We are a news site, we are not blizzard. The top news sites have covered such topics, of course. I will stop complaining if you link me to an official news post in the last ten years on this site saying Brood War sucks, or even sucked at that particular time compared to some point in the past. Bonus points if it insults every single player and calls the scene a farce or some similar language. wtf. every post you've made is based around a huge exaggeration or a bad analogy. this article didnt say sc2 sucks... The competition in SC2 thus far has been a farce. In big, bold letters too! Why is the SC2 scene a farce?
It seems to be a matter of effort - not only is (Z)Jaedong talented, but he puts in the work. Former BW pros in SC2 have the mechanics and game sense that they gained through practice, and this is their advantage. But unless they can keep it up in the less structured environment of SC2 houses, they will certainly fall behind when high-level BW pros bring over their work ethic and determination.
Because all the players are lazy assholes who don't even care about the game, of course No, it's because the players are not trying that hard because the game does not demand it from them. Take yourself for example - can't even make 50% winrate at D level on ICCup, is already Platinum in SC2. And you have played a LOT of BW games. Seems like there is some value to this argument, if a D level noob in BW can be "Platinum" in SC2. No wonder you are defending your cakewalk.
What in god's name does Blizzard's ranking system have to do with anything? It's a system designed to keep you with players of similar skill. What it's called is irrelevant.
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i just tried watching a bw match on youtube between mvp and flash. i was bored out of my mind yet again. thank god sc2 came around and renewed my interest in rts games.
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On May 13 2011 08:23 Logros wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 08:21 Murderotica wrote:On May 13 2011 08:19 Ribbon wrote:
I think I'm going to go play Starcraft, rather than keep arguing and eventually getting myself banned for being stupid.
I've been playing Brood War recently, and enjoying myself, but it's a little less appealing now. I think I'll play SC2 instead. I guess people will have it that little bit harder getting from D to D+ now since you aren't there to give them a boost. Is this the 'mature' BW fan response?
Did I ever attempt to portray it as such? When talking to children you don't use big words or difficult concepts, do you? Same idea here.
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On May 13 2011 08:11 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 08:08 billyX333 wrote:On May 13 2011 08:06 Ribbon wrote:On May 13 2011 08:01 Beyonder wrote:On May 13 2011 08:00 Ribbon wrote:On May 13 2011 07:57 billyX333 wrote:On May 13 2011 07:55 Ribbon wrote:On May 13 2011 07:49 billyX333 wrote:On May 13 2011 07:45 Omoplata wrote:On May 13 2011 07:37 Beyonder wrote:
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I think that him eloquently writing down his (backed up!) view is actually very mature. Dialogue is the adult way. Taking offense to anothers opinion on the other hand... Is being passive-aggressive also the adult way? You can't be offended by opinions? You aren't offended by people that think black people are inferior? Or that women are inferior? Or any one of a multitude of things that are, and should be offensive to rational-minded people? If someone is offended by something they aren't an adult? Really? Calling SC2 competition a farce is condescending, and that should be offensive to anyone that competes in SC2. MC? Hahaha, Broodwar scrub. What a farce. Nestea? Broodwar scrub. Total farce. Fruitdealer? Yet another scrub. Yet another farce. Cherry-picking statistics doesn't validate condescension. have you ever read a sports article in your entire life? and ffs drop the fucking comparison to racism and sexism. sports writers always call out athletes for being scrubs. thats why we read I have never in my life read a sports article on the front page of a sport's biggest website arguing that the sport in question was a farce. Have you ever seen a Sports Illustrated with a cover story of "The Top 20 Reasons Football is For Retards?" OP may make a good argument, but it's needless inflammatory and condescending. hello fellow american. have you ever read an article about american soccer or listened to jim rome talk about soccer obviously not On the FIFA site? Teamliquid isn't some guy, or even a big e-sports site. It's the BW/SC2 website. Granted, a large part of the reason Team Liquid is so big is because pro gamers post here, and we just ran a front-page article calling them a bunch of lazy pussies whose games are only good for comedy, so I hope they have thick skins. We are a news site, we are not blizzard. The top news sites have covered such topics, of course. I will stop complaining if you link me to an official news post in the last ten years on this site saying Brood War sucks, or even sucked at that particular time compared to some point in the past. Bonus points if it insults every single player and calls the scene a farce or some similar language. wtf. every post you've made is based around a huge exaggeration or a bad analogy. this article didnt say sc2 sucks... In big, bold letters too! Why is the SC2 scene a farce? Show nested quote +
It seems to be a matter of effort - not only is (Z)Jaedong talented, but he puts in the work. Former BW pros in SC2 have the mechanics and game sense that they gained through practice, and this is their advantage. But unless they can keep it up in the less structured environment of SC2 houses, they will certainly fall behind when high-level BW pros bring over their work ethic and determination.
Because all the players are lazy assholes who don't even care about the game, of course
here's why the competition in sc2, at least in Korea, has been a farce. listen up.
Prize money should reflect talent level. It should also reflect spectator's desire to watch that talent. But the money being thrown around in the gsl does not reflect either, since everyone knows the players truly deserving the money is still playing BW (in Korea).
What does the prize money represent then? It represents Blizzard's desire to instantly, perhaps even artificially, make SC2 into an esport. It also represents Blizzard's partial desire to kill BW and convert everyone over to SC2. It represents Blizzard's desire to attract star BW players over to SC2.
I don't hate Blizzard for doing this cuz it's certainly a smart strategic move. But they should have let the SC2 E-sports scene grown organically instead of trying to artificially stimulate demand by throwing money like this. This is why it feels like a farce.
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On May 13 2011 08:04 Beyonder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 08:02 Omoplata wrote:On May 13 2011 07:58 Beyonder wrote:On May 13 2011 07:55 Ribbon wrote:On May 13 2011 07:49 billyX333 wrote:On May 13 2011 07:45 Omoplata wrote:On May 13 2011 07:37 Beyonder wrote:On May 13 2011 07:31 Miefer wrote:On May 13 2011 07:30 Beyonder wrote:
Replying to the 'offtopic' posts: SC2 fanbase is just a lot younger. BW has had the same players for so many years, it's only natural that the BW community was more mature and in general had more 'quality'. But quality is a dreadful word for that, I think maturity is a better word. But for SC2 to grow, the younger and more quantitative fanbase is needed oh so much. So in a way it is a double edged sword.
Apparently the SC2 community is not developed enough to take such awesome (and opinionated!) posts. I honestly do not see why people take it so personal. Be happy that someone has a different opinion than you and learn from it. It does not harm you one bit. Or at least, it should not. i think talking down to sc2 players isnt mature or showing quality at all... I think that him eloquently writing down his (backed up!) view is actually very mature. Dialogue is the adult way. Taking offense to anothers opinion on the other hand... Is being passive-aggressive also the adult way? You can't be offended by opinions? You aren't offended by people that think black people are inferior? Or that women are inferior? Or any one of a multitude of things that are, and should be offensive to rational-minded people? If someone is offended by something they aren't an adult? Really? Calling SC2 competition a farce is condescending, and that should be offensive to anyone that competes in SC2. MC? Hahaha, Broodwar scrub. What a farce. Nestea? Broodwar scrub. Total farce. Fruitdealer? Yet another scrub. Yet another farce. Cherry-picking statistics doesn't validate condescension. have you ever read a sports article in your entire life? and ffs drop the fucking comparison to racism and sexism. sports writers always call out athletes for being scrubs. thats why we read I have never in my life read a sports article on the front page of a sport's biggest website arguing that the sport in question was a farce. Have you ever seen a Sports Illustrated with a cover story of "The Top 20 Reasons Football is For Retards?" OP may make a good argument, but it's needless inflammatory and condescending. Yes I've seen various of similar articles. In cycling for example after all the scandals. Or soccer and the defensive games that have been developed by prominent teams which basically ruined sports (e.g., the competition in Italy). The list goes on. Not the same at all. Scandals hurt the credibility of a sport. That's not the same as saying, "This sport sucks, the competition is such a joke." They notice something is wrong with the sport and they are not afraid to adress it. I get what you mean, but it is not that far off. I think it is incredibly awesome that TL throws this out there and I hope that someone gets inspired and writes a counter article which we can learn more from. People take stuff so serious these days.. :o
I don't think anyone has a problem with the article's conclusions or reasoning, the problem most people have is that the sc2 only community feels like this is just elitism from the bw community. One thing you learn in journalism is that even opinion articles need to be objective otherwise it's just a biased rant. There are a few things that most people here are upset about.
1. It's featured news. Why is this featured? Myself, along with others, simply don't understand why this thread gets extra attention. Other than those completely unaware, there is no new information. We already knew that if scbw pros switched over they would give every player a run of their money.
Even though it is an opinion, by being on the front page, it is promoted. If it was just a blog and was spotlighted, no one would be saying anything.
2. Why is the conclusion that
I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and/or work ethic and/or ability to learn. This knowledge cheapens any form of competition I see right now, no matter how much I try to enjoy the games.
This is probably the #1 upsetting thing. The sc2 community is growing fast internationally and saying something like "SC2 pro gamers are terrible and watching it is a waste of time". If this sentence was removed I doubt the article gets this much attention. How bout instead.
I am saying that there are around 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and be at the very top of the sc2 scene within a few months of play. There are huge players that if they switched to sc2 would be contenders to win GSL every season from their raw RTS skill alone. This means that sc2 is set to grow and become bigger than ever and that the competition from this point on can only get bigger and better.
I basically said the same thing without the lambasting of sc2.
3. If this article was an sc2 progaming > bw progaming thread written by a normal user, no matter how well done it was, it would be instantly closed for "troll baiting or inciting sc2 vs bw arguments". It has been suggested that if someone wrote a good counter article it would indeed be accepted, but we have yet to see this and most people won't try for fear of being banned.
4. The thread seems to have relaxed restrictions on the normal sc2 vs bw debate. Does this mean we can talk about sc2 vs bw in other threads or just in this special thread? There is no header or warning for the thread.
5. The title is "The elephant in the room" suggesting that there is a huge truth which everyone is ignoring and the truth that the title suggests is that all of the sc2 progaming results so far has been a "farce". Since when did anyone not acknowledge that the best bw progamers have yet to switch to sc2? Is there a single progamer out there who is saying "Man, i better win this tournament before better players start playing." No, because they want to get good at this game. They don't care who enters the arena, in fact I would dare to say that the progamers would absolutely love it if all 300 of those progamers switched over because it would give them an incentive to work even harder.
TLDR; The article is valid and true, but the way it is presented can/will/is causing some people in the sc2 community to think that this is just a giant scbw > sc2 thread hidden behind numbers.
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On May 13 2011 08:21 jimbob615 wrote:actually, current SC2 scene is dominated by ex-WC3 players. all the brood war players like Ret are getting beaten, incl NonY, Mondragon, the list goes on. eg, TSL!! The best SC player i think that has transitioned to SC2 is BRAT_OK, what a beast!
no, the best sc players are the koreans listed in the article
if you mean foreigner, then idra
bratok pretty good tho -.-
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On May 13 2011 08:25 Murderotica wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 08:23 Logros wrote:On May 13 2011 08:21 Murderotica wrote:On May 13 2011 08:19 Ribbon wrote:
I think I'm going to go play Starcraft, rather than keep arguing and eventually getting myself banned for being stupid.
I've been playing Brood War recently, and enjoying myself, but it's a little less appealing now. I think I'll play SC2 instead. I guess people will have it that little bit harder getting from D to D+ now since you aren't there to give them a boost. Is this the 'mature' BW fan response? Did I ever attempt to portray it as such? When talking to children you don't use big words or difficult concepts, do you? Same idea here.
Troll more?
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On May 13 2011 08:21 jimbob615 wrote:actually, current SC2 scene is dominated by ex-WC3 players. all the brood war players like Ret are getting beaten, incl NonY, Mondragon, the list goes on. eg, TSL!! The best SC player i think that has transitioned to SC2 is BRAT_OK, what a beast!
Not sure if serious.
User was warned for this post
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On May 13 2011 08:24 Omoplata wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 08:18 Murderotica wrote:On May 13 2011 08:11 Ribbon wrote:On May 13 2011 08:08 billyX333 wrote:On May 13 2011 08:06 Ribbon wrote:On May 13 2011 08:01 Beyonder wrote:On May 13 2011 08:00 Ribbon wrote:On May 13 2011 07:57 billyX333 wrote:On May 13 2011 07:55 Ribbon wrote:On May 13 2011 07:49 billyX333 wrote:
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have you ever read a sports article in your entire life? and ffs drop the fucking comparison to racism and sexism. sports writers always call out athletes for being scrubs. thats why we read I have never in my life read a sports article on the front page of a sport's biggest website arguing that the sport in question was a farce. Have you ever seen a Sports Illustrated with a cover story of "The Top 20 Reasons Football is For Retards?" OP may make a good argument, but it's needless inflammatory and condescending. hello fellow american. have you ever read an article about american soccer or listened to jim rome talk about soccer obviously not On the FIFA site? Teamliquid isn't some guy, or even a big e-sports site. It's the BW/SC2 website. Granted, a large part of the reason Team Liquid is so big is because pro gamers post here, and we just ran a front-page article calling them a bunch of lazy pussies whose games are only good for comedy, so I hope they have thick skins. We are a news site, we are not blizzard. The top news sites have covered such topics, of course. I will stop complaining if you link me to an official news post in the last ten years on this site saying Brood War sucks, or even sucked at that particular time compared to some point in the past. Bonus points if it insults every single player and calls the scene a farce or some similar language. wtf. every post you've made is based around a huge exaggeration or a bad analogy. this article didnt say sc2 sucks... The competition in SC2 thus far has been a farce. In big, bold letters too! Why is the SC2 scene a farce?
It seems to be a matter of effort - not only is (Z)Jaedong talented, but he puts in the work. Former BW pros in SC2 have the mechanics and game sense that they gained through practice, and this is their advantage. But unless they can keep it up in the less structured environment of SC2 houses, they will certainly fall behind when high-level BW pros bring over their work ethic and determination.
Because all the players are lazy assholes who don't even care about the game, of course No, it's because the players are not trying that hard because the game does not demand it from them. Take yourself for example - can't even make 50% winrate at D level on ICCup, is already Platinum in SC2. And you have played a LOT of BW games. Seems like there is some value to this argument, if a D level noob in BW can be "Platinum" in SC2. No wonder you are defending your cakewalk. What in god's name does Blizzard's ranking system have to do with anything? It's a system designed to keep you with players of similar skill. What it's called is irrelevant.
As does any other ranking system? I'm saying that being that he is Platinum, makes him not Bronze or Silver or Gold. But he is D in Broodwar with hundreds of games played, making him... still the base level you start with on ICCup. Hence, he is "defending his cakewalk" as I said.
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On May 13 2011 08:27 Omoplata wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 08:25 Murderotica wrote:On May 13 2011 08:23 Logros wrote:On May 13 2011 08:21 Murderotica wrote:On May 13 2011 08:19 Ribbon wrote:
I think I'm going to go play Starcraft, rather than keep arguing and eventually getting myself banned for being stupid.
I've been playing Brood War recently, and enjoying myself, but it's a little less appealing now. I think I'll play SC2 instead. I guess people will have it that little bit harder getting from D to D+ now since you aren't there to give them a boost. Is this the 'mature' BW fan response? Did I ever attempt to portray it as such? When talking to children you don't use big words or difficult concepts, do you? Same idea here. Troll more?
Well Ribbon said he was being a doucebag in his own words before he edited it to say jerk.
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On May 13 2011 08:25 Murderotica wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 08:23 Logros wrote:On May 13 2011 08:21 Murderotica wrote:On May 13 2011 08:19 Ribbon wrote:
I think I'm going to go play Starcraft, rather than keep arguing and eventually getting myself banned for being stupid.
I've been playing Brood War recently, and enjoying myself, but it's a little less appealing now. I think I'll play SC2 instead. I guess people will have it that little bit harder getting from D to D+ now since you aren't there to give them a boost. Is this the 'mature' BW fan response? Did I ever attempt to portray it as such? When talking to children you don't use big words or difficult concepts, do you? Same idea here.
I'm not even going to bother arguing with you.You're the perfect example of a bitter and childish BW fan.
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On May 13 2011 08:23 Logros wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 08:21 Murderotica wrote:On May 13 2011 08:19 Ribbon wrote:
I think I'm going to go play Starcraft, rather than keep arguing and eventually getting myself banned for being stupid.
I've been playing Brood War recently, and enjoying myself, but it's a little less appealing now. I think I'll play SC2 instead. I guess people will have it that little bit harder getting from D to D+ now since you aren't there to give them a boost. Is this the 'mature' BW fan response?
You're probably lacking context here (some posts in the bw forum), even though this was uncalled for.
I could expand on why I like bw's foreign communauty, but honestly, this is taking it very far from the subject. BTW I also felt partially insulted as a BW jerk/elitist/whateveryouwant while reading some part of this article.
Well played intrigue, at this rate your article might end up with more answers than every other TLFE added up :p
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Yo sc2 we ain't giving you flash or jardong lol go and make your own Kaesong or flash I'd you can
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EPT
