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GTR
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![[image loading]](http://i19.tinypic.com/6f7dn2p.jpg) Fantasy II ![[image loading]](http://manager.ongamenet.com/files/map/%B8%F9%C8%AF%A5%B1_l.jpg) One major change is the XenoSky (11) Mineral Natural becoming more Zerg Friendly Blue Storm ![[image loading]](http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/9615/2blue20storm097logoom4.jpg) This map is now going to be used in MSL, OSL and PL. Replaces Monty Hall as the innovative 2 Player Map Katrina ![[image loading]](http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/5368/4catrina094blogoiz6.jpg) Replaces Python as the loaned KeSPA 4 Player map Persona ![[image loading]](http://fomos.kr/board/issue/1190377616_1.jpg) An innovative map with neutral Dark Swarms, Persona seems to be the map to reduce bumbling turtle games | ||
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asel
Germany1601 Posts
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LosingID8
CA10829 Posts
On September 20 2007 06:50 asel wrote: i think those are flying kakaru's or however you spell itWhat are the red dots in the mid of Blue Storm? Only doodads? | ||
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crazie-penguin
United States1253 Posts
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Daigomi
South Africa4316 Posts
Katrina is another strange choice. It's been working out in PL much better than I expected: 1-0 PvT, 1-1 PvZ, 2-1 TvZ. Very interesting map. I'm glad they kept MongHwan, hopefully it's balanced now. Personna... sigh, I so badly want to see this map now. Thanks for the info GTR. I can't wait for the remaining two pictures! | ||
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vstar
Korea (South)693 Posts
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Wolfsnare
Canada32 Posts
It looks like, finally, both leagues will have great maps at once... | ||
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JoMal
Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
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ArC_man
United States2798 Posts
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semioldguy
United States7488 Posts
Katrina definitely gets an approval from me. Blue Storm is kinda "meh" imo, especially since both individual leagues and proleague will be using it. I think it's better than keeping Monty Hall though. | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
cant wait to see upgraded monghwan and persona now >_< | ||
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Zeto
United States2290 Posts
Also looking forward to seeing the two new maps. I think OGN always makes/picks better maps than MBC does though in the last seasons they picked some terrible experimental ones (Cultivation Period and Arkanoid; but hey at least they didn't pick The Eye). | ||
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
It will be unveiled live during the group selection. | ||
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semioldguy
United States7488 Posts
On September 20 2007 11:27 Zeto wrote: Can someone explain two things two me (off-topic): Why did proleague keep monty hall? Secondly, what the fuck changed on the new monty that made it a non-PvP fest all of a sudden? You could have asked that in the Proleague Map Thread, it isn't too far from this one. There are now less resources in the main, to help push some balance toward Zerg. The mineral walls also have less minerals. Those are the changes. the map is also not new like it was last season, players have had time to develop strategy (such as Silver's) that wasn't immediately apparent. | ||
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
On September 20 2007 09:02 semioldguy wrote: I can't wait to see Persona. And am interested to see the fixes that have been included on Fantasy II as well. Katrina definitely gets an approval from me. Blue Storm is kinda "meh" imo, especially since both individual leagues and proleague will be using it. I think it's better than keeping Monty Hall though. Yeah I want fucking out of ZvT take T's center expo sunken up get guardians super fast ggggg  Persona sounds so sexy lol ;P Are these maps all going to be up on mapdori? | ||
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trollbone
France1905 Posts
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Daranee
338 Posts
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Asakura
Germany471 Posts
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Kacas
Brazil3143 Posts
like python..luna or lt =( | ||
mikeymoo
Canada7170 Posts
=/ No python. Persona sounds interesting at least. | ||
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LxRogue
United States1415 Posts
On September 21 2007 02:47 Kacas wrote: am I the only one missing some basic macro map? like python..luna or lt =( Fantasy is a basic macro map, Katrina is too, it just has a cool center. And we haven't seen Persona yet. | ||
thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
Blue storm... ugh. I'm predicting Terran winner this season. | ||
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Q(-_-Q)
United States348 Posts
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MuShu
United States3223 Posts
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Not_Computer
Canada2277 Posts
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
in all seriousness, i'm glad a map is taking advantage of triple high ground | ||
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Elwood Blues
United States261 Posts
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GTR
51543 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5753 Posts
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spammerA
China355 Posts
On September 20 2007 06:51 LosingID8 wrote: i think those are flying kakaru's or however you spell it I thought they were mutalisks? | ||
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Aepplet
Sweden2908 Posts
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Puosu
7002 Posts
No, they are kakarus. | ||
Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
The ramp to the nat on each map has a permanent darkswarm, which means a lurker rush = auto protection if you manage to get even 1 lurker under there. Wtf a simple 2 lair lurker/ling rush will mean the zerg will get atleast 1 lurker under there, limiting the terran's ability to move units in and out until they get irradiate. Literally, there is NO WAY you will be able to kill a lurker under those swarms without irradiate or throwing 1093809 firebats into it. (I guess the best choice would be for terrans to abuse spider mines) | ||
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Kacas
Brazil3143 Posts
firebats power!!! lol i dont have idea how will be the balance of the map... t_T | ||
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tonight
United States11130 Posts
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mikeymoo
Canada7170 Posts
Couldn't a Z just research burrow, and hide a ling or two under each expo by the minerals? Then when it's up and running... buh-bye. | ||
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Asakura
Germany471 Posts
On September 22 2007 02:09 mikeymoo wrote: wtffffffffffffffffffff on persona. Couldn't a Z just research burrow, and hide a ling or two under each expo by the minerals? Then when it's up and running... buh-bye. LOL, I never thought this way, haha, that's really gay -_- You'll need a Firebat everytime then. Anyway, I wanna friggin see FANTASY2 -.- | ||
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Jonteman
Sweden644 Posts
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On September 22 2007 02:11 Asakura wrote: LOL, I never thought this way, haha, that\'s really gay -_- You\'ll need a Firebat everytime then. Anyway, I wanna friggin see FANTASY2 -.- well I dunno about a ling doing that much damage, but every expansion other than the nats have a darkswarm, which means you could burrow a lurker there endlessly harrass the expansion. Also, by simply putting a ling under the swarms around the map and burrowed, you now have a really good way to get vis over the map. Of course it won\'t be for long once vessel + firebats are out. But still. | ||
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PePe QuiCoSE
Argentina1204 Posts
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Aepplet
Sweden2908 Posts
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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TheTyranid
Russian Federation4333 Posts
I am so looking forward to seeing what strategies will be used due to the swarms. The best part thought is that Badlands making a comeback finally. Badlands ftw. All we need now is Ash maps. | ||
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Asakura
Germany471 Posts
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bumpirate
United States122 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
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Puosu
7002 Posts
On September 22 2007 14:22 Seeker wrote: The ramp is weird.... it doesn't look like the regular ramps from Twilight setting...... How did they get that ramp? Nowadays the map editors are so advanced that you can pretty much do anything, like add trees or minerals on ramps or something. In this case the map maker has just added some of that rock thingy in top of the ramp. You can download some great map editors at Star Edit Network if you're interested in trying it out. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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vstar
Korea (South)693 Posts
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Try
United States1293 Posts
On September 23 2007 00:17 vstar wrote: Hm, how does Persona and its dark swarms reduce turtle games? Explain anyone? :D Because no1 ever hears about a zerg player turtling, and if the terran player turtles in that map, he gets raped by swarms. | ||
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ArC_man
United States2798 Posts
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The_Marine
Malta46 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
seriously what retard thought that map concept up | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36390 Posts
On September 23 2007 07:29 IdrA wrote: guess osl didnt like terrans having any chance at all vs savior seriously what retard thought that map concept up nobody knows how the map will work out until we actually see games played on it. for once though i'd like to see a ZvT favored map after like three shinhan seasons of T-favoritism (yes i know savior won in shinhan3 but he was like the only Z with winning records vs T on some of those maps) | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
this is normally dealt with by the fact that swarms dont last for too long and terrans can pick off defilers. the map eliminates both of those. if z gets a few lurkers on your ramp your only choice is drops, which are inefficient for anything other than harass and the z will know thats your only choice, making it even worse. even if you manage to keep them away from your ramp they have 4 free expos once they have lurk tech. terran is gonna be forced into mass drop play and z will be able to devote everything to stopping the drops, since it takes 6 lurkers to close off all 3 bases from the ground. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20143 Posts
omg lurkers + ramp = autowin | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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LxRogue
United States1415 Posts
Dark swarms over mineral only expos seem like they'll have a big impact of vulture raids and lurkers for zerg. Yea yea zerg will get lurkers on the ramps really easily, but terrans will just need to back up a little, the nat has a lot of room. | ||
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SayaSP
Laos5494 Posts
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FUCK_TEAMLIQUID.NET
Niger6 Posts
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GTR
51543 Posts
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Xeofreestyler
Belgium6774 Posts
Looking reaaaally forward to this season <3 | ||
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joeki
Sweden292 Posts
On September 23 2007 07:29 IdrA wrote: guess osl didnt like terrans having any chance at all vs savior seriously what retard thought that map concept up I think what they really didn't like, was the 75+% terrans in every OSL. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On September 23 2007 14:47 LxRogue wrote: The ramp looks really wide, but a few lings should still be enough. Dark swarms over mineral only expos seem like they'll have a big impact of vulture raids and lurkers for zerg. Yea yea zerg will get lurkers on the ramps really easily, but terrans will just need to back up a little, the nat has a lot of room. sure, they wont kill you but how do you intend to get out? | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
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ahole-surprise
United States813 Posts
It is clear, though, that Terran gets raped on Persona, but TvZ has been getting more one-sided in the pro-scene lately, and Blue Storm seems to favor Terran so, whatever | ||
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LazySCV
United States2942 Posts
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sprawlers
Norway439 Posts
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Asakura
Germany471 Posts
On September 24 2007 14:38 LaZyScV wrote: Ever heard of workers? Workers will kill that one ling easily; terran will just need some firebats, maybe a bunker with just a firebat to fight multiple cracklings, though. Protoss should be fine with DT, Archon, and Zealots. I'm not sure if workers can attack under Dark Swarm, anyway always taking some workers to kill ONE ling? Also, he could simply let more Zerglings stay there, and imagine Cracklings... | ||
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KameZerg
Sweden1767 Posts
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Asakura
Germany471 Posts
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SayaSP
Laos5494 Posts
On September 25 2007 01:57 Asakura wrote: Eh, the Dark Swarm is only on the ramp not on the natural expansion itself? That would just be imba. | ||
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semioldguy
United States7488 Posts
I don't love that the first game we get to see on it is TvT. | ||
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ZidaneTribal
United States2800 Posts
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InfeSteD
United States4658 Posts
On September 21 2007 02:47 Kacas wrote: am I the only one missing some basic macro map? like python..luna or lt =( I think back then maps were so simple, now it seems like they keep getting more weird maps and harder to play on, just because of the skill level of pro gamers have raised incredibly  | ||
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.dragoon
United States749 Posts
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Nightmarjoo
United States3360 Posts
reaver/sair is strong when used with swarms near expos swarm makes static defense miss too anyone have Persona? | ||
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SickTighT
United States337 Posts
On September 25 2007 12:24 Nightmarjoo wrote: workers miss under swarm even scvs? i was under the impression that only drones and probes had ranged attacks and that the scv's was melee...? | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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vstar
Korea (South)693 Posts
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On September 26 2007 06:05 oneofthem wrote: i doubt anything has 0 range. the 'range' 'melee' type flag probably is unrelated to the effective range. all workers officially have a range of 1 | ||
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
I find it hard to belive that it's a coincidence that there isn't a single TvZ game on that map over the next month (according to the OSL schedule posted on this site). I wonder if we'll get to see TvZ on it later in the season. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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GTR
51543 Posts
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Jonteman
Sweden644 Posts
Thought Fantasy II would be cool : ( | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
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sohee_pink
Philippines447 Posts
With the TvT Light Vs. Hwasin today, I don't like Persona -_- it took them 1 hr. 24 mins. and 37 secs. to make someone gg, to make someone run out of minerals and the vespene geyser gets depleted. Ban Persona!! lol but if anyone else likes it, oh well... I just hate Persona, not because Hwasin lost, I believe there is just slight imba. -_- | ||
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SayaSP
Laos5494 Posts
On September 29 2007 00:11 sohee_pink wrote: + Show Spoiler + With the TvT Light Vs. Hwasin today, I don't like Persona -_- it took them 1 hr. 24 mins. and 37 secs. to make someone gg, to make someone run out of minerals and the vespene geyser gets depleted. Ban Persona!! lol but if anyone else likes it, oh well... I just hate Persona, not because Hwasin lost, I believe there is just slight imba. -_- + Show Spoiler + Imba in a mirror? lolz | ||
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sohee_pink
Philippines447 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + there's just something in the map that I feel wrong -_- I just don't know how to explain it though, but lol anyway. | ||
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
The mineral only placements for xeno sky. All bases have 9 mins. The mineral only for 7 for gamei go won, the ramp at the top has changed so u can't access it as easily Also, is it just me or have the bases been enlarged? I also want a request, if someone could upload fantasy and have fantasy II right below Fantasy I so I can compare and see what else has changed. I'd do it myself, but I suck at this type of thing, so if u do it, much appreciation. (fantasy II feels like it's gonna be much harder, since the mineral onlys can be much easier to protect.) | ||
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semioldguy
United States7488 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Carnac/mappics/monghwan.jpg) Fantasy II: | ||
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ArC_man
United States2798 Posts
On September 29 2007 00:11 sohee_pink wrote: + Show Spoiler + With the TvT Light Vs. Hwasin today, I don't like Persona -_- it took them 1 hr. 24 mins. and 37 secs. to make someone gg, to make someone run out of minerals and the vespene geyser gets depleted. Ban Persona!! lol but if anyone else likes it, oh well... I just hate Persona, not because Hwasin lost, I believe there is just slight imba. -_- lol, to think that there's imba in a mirror match... I sense some extreme bias. | ||
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semioldguy
United States7488 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
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IaniAniaN
Canada555 Posts
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On October 02 2007 09:26 IaniAniaN wrote: It plays out kindof like a game of BGH at the end, lots of wraith & BC's. Not really that amazing, just surprising since it's a pro game. I'd recommend the first bit, but it drags on too long. I thought it was the most entertaining hour long TvT so far. The first 40 minutes has plenty of action. Hwasing throwing punch after punch that does critical damage, but Light somehow manages to stay on his feet. The next 20 minutes is a little less exciting, the last 15 minutes is pretty anti climatic, but then the last 5 minutes (when it comes down to the battle over 1 expo) gets exciting again. Unfortunately there's no MASSIVE battle in the end.. | ||
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