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Charoisaur
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On August 05 2018 04:02 travis wrote: The level of denial by so many people is honestly just weird. My favorite part is how many people are making excuses along the lines of "well korean play is the weakest it's ever been because sc2 is declining". absolute nonsense, the player pool may be smaller, sure. but simply by watching the games it is clear that the general level of play is the highest it's ever been, it just happens that serral is one of the best players we've ever seen in the world. Agreed, the mass retirements and disbandments of korean teams have increased the skill level drastically. Also as the players get older their mechanics and reaction times are getting sharper and sharper. edit: My intention is not to shit up the Serral fan club and this may be the wrong place for this debate but I just disagree so heavily with the "highest skilled era" statement that I couldn't let this unanswered. | ||
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11cc
Finland561 Posts
On August 05 2018 05:38 Charoisaur wrote: Agreed, the mass retirements and disbandments of korean teams have increased the skill level drastically. Also as the players get older their mechanics and reaction times are getting sharper and sharper. edit: My intention is not to shit up the Serral fan club and this may be the wrong place for this debate but I just disagree so heavily with the "highest skilled era" statement that I couldn't let this unanswered. Your argument would be more convincing to me if you were comparing current situation to a hypothetical present time where those mass retirements and disbandments of korean teams didn't happen at all. The retiring players don't wave a magic wand to make the remaining players worse and the fact that people age isn't proof that they stop developing at all (also it's not like they're 40 years old). I personally don't mind you making the argument, but I'm a bit annoyed by your sarcastic tone given that it's Serral fan club. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16078 Posts
On August 05 2018 06:08 11cc wrote: Your argument would be more convincing to me if you were comparing current situation to a hypothetical present time where those mass retirements and disbandments of korean teams didn't happen at all. The retiring players don't wave a magic wand to make the remaining players worse and the fact that people age isn't proof that they stop developing at all (also it's not like they're 40 years old). I personally don't mind you making the argument, but I'm a bit annoyed by your sarcastic tone given that it's Serral fan club. Every retiring player is a player that gets removed from the pool of top level players to practice with and makes the scene less competitive as players won't have to try as hard anymore to achieve a certain tournament finish. I don't think I have to elaborate what impact the disbandments of korean teams have. About the age thing - Well, in BW the oldest player who ever won an OSL was Jangbi with 23 y as the older players usually got overtaken by younger ones. Also INnoVation himself admitted that he feels his mechanics getting worse with increasing age. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Rob-Zero
Germany460 Posts
 Excited for tomorrows games, but Serral already showed what everyone wanted to see, the outcome of the finals doesn´t matter that much (at least for me). You´ve done great Serral, foreignerland is proud of you @Charoisaur I see your point, but neither Inno nor Dark are very old even for a progamer. Sure the korean scene had some hard troubles to master, but for me that just means that the actual play would only be even better if all that didn´t happen. Because what you seem to forget is that nearly any sport is always getting better over time, bec of more refinement. And even more so with a relatively young sport like sc2. Just look at football for example, it´s played on a pro level for about a hundred years already, still it gets more refined. Players like Maradona, Pele, Beckenbauer, even Zidane, would not be that good today, the same will go for Messi and Ronaldo in ten years. Hard to imagine for me how you cannot see the refinement in sc2 over the past two years. So you really think kespa Inno from two years ago would beat Serral easily or what ? | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16078 Posts
On August 05 2018 06:20 Rob-Zero wrote: So you really think kespa Inno from two years ago would beat Serral easily or what ? No, Serral is definitely legit good. How he would fare against peak Kespa players is a hypothetical question that can sadly never be answered. But saying the current era is the "highest skilled era ever" is just delusional imo. We can admire Serral's insane skill and dominance of the current best players without making up such bs claims. | ||
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Rob-Zero
Germany460 Posts
On August 05 2018 06:24 Charoisaur wrote: No, Serral is definitely legit good. How he would fare against peak Kespa players is a hypothetical question that can sadly never be answered. But saying the current era is the "highest skilled era ever" is just delusional imo. Ok, i don´t think so, but i also think neither could i convince you of the opposite, nor could you convince me, so i stop here and wish you a good night | ||
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Charoisaur
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11cc
Finland561 Posts
On August 05 2018 06:19 Charoisaur wrote: Every retiring player is a player that gets removed from the pool of top level players to practice with and makes the scene less competitive as players won't have to try as hard anymore to achieve a certain tournament finish. I don't think I have to elaborate what impact the disbandments of korean teams have. About the age thing - Well, in BW the oldest player who ever won an OSL was Jangbi with 23 y as the older players usually got overtaken by younger ones. Also INnoVation himself admitted that he feels his mechanics getting worse with increasing age. + Show Spoiler + Again, all this sounds convincing to me only if the comparison is between current time and the hypothetical current time where the scene never declined. | ||
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Uberfather
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I think this debate about the level of the era is healthy, as long as no one is hateful. Edit: Here is the quote: "If i compare my level that i had back then to the level i have right now... i'm 100 times... way better then i used to be" Then he talks about it some more for some time | ||
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