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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
May 11 2018 06:18 GMT
#4621
Zest's PvP is actually his weakest matchup I think.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Rolltide
Profile Joined May 2017
United States447 Posts
May 11 2018 11:06 GMT
#4622
http://aligulac.com/players/1658-Zest/

Interesting that Zest's best record by far this year has been against Protoss. He has won 67% of his matches against Protoss vs 60% vs Terran and 58% vs Zerg.

He has also won his last 4 matches vs Protoss players though his match vs sOs on 5/7 was a one off 1-0.
ADTempys
Profile Joined December 2017
Finland60 Posts
May 11 2018 11:18 GMT
#4623
That's all-time winrate, just check the "form winrate", it's way more representative as it's on a shorter period of time, in which Zest isn't the PvP god he used to be but got really good at PvZ
Zest is Best
Rolltide
Profile Joined May 2017
United States447 Posts
May 11 2018 11:26 GMT
#4624
This week he is 4-0 vs Protoss, 2-0 vs Zerg and 2-2 vs Terran.

Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
May 11 2018 11:57 GMT
#4625
And he lost a series to Jieshi just the other day.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Rolltide
Profile Joined May 2017
United States447 Posts
May 11 2018 12:51 GMT
#4626
On May 11 2018 20:57 Olli wrote:
And he lost a series to Jieshi just the other day.


May 1st. Jieshi also beat bunny and Ryung that same day.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
May 11 2018 12:56 GMT
#4627
On May 11 2018 21:51 Rolltide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2018 20:57 Olli wrote:
And he lost a series to Jieshi just the other day.


May 1st. Jieshi also beat bunny and Ryung that same day.


Zest still shouldn't lose to him. His PvP just isn't that great atm, and it's quite obvious watching him play.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
May 11 2018 21:41 GMT
#4628
Zest having weak PvP just doesn't feel right, even if it's true.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Rolltide
Profile Joined May 2017
United States447 Posts
May 12 2018 12:13 GMT
#4629
According to Aliqulac Zest is the 6th best Korean player vs Protoss. The only Protoss ranked higher is Classic. That's based on recent form.

http://aligulac.com/periods/215/?page=1&race=ptzrs&nats=KR&sort=vp

Zest is 14-4 vs Protoss in his last 18 games on ladder.



Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
May 12 2018 19:14 GMT
#4630
Aligulac might like him but he's still losing almost all his offline PvPs
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Rolltide
Profile Joined May 2017
United States447 Posts
May 12 2018 22:56 GMT
#4631
On May 13 2018 04:14 Fango wrote:
Aligulac might like him but he's still losing almost all his offline PvPs


Ok we won't count 95% of his play.

I remember him beating Hero, Classic and sOs in succession in the PyeongChang qualifiers. That was 6 months ago though.

In GSL season 1 he never played a single Protoss. He was the lone Protoss in both his groups and then lost to Dark in the rd of 8.

He is one of 7 Protoss among the top 16 in season 2 so he will get his chance then.



Rolltide
Profile Joined May 2017
United States447 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-12 23:01:44
May 12 2018 22:59 GMT
#4632
How many of you think the other 6 Protoss players are thinking how they wish they draw Zest in their group? If it is "quite obvious" he sucks ass in PvP they should be licking their chops at the prospect of playing him right?



Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
May 13 2018 04:55 GMT
#4633
On May 13 2018 07:59 Rolltide wrote:
How many of you think the other 6 Protoss players are thinking how they wish they draw Zest in their group? If it is "quite obvious" he sucks ass in PvP they should be licking their chops at the prospect of playing him right?




We'll see in Group selection
My boy Ptak defeated two GSL champions!
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
May 13 2018 06:12 GMT
#4634
Rolltide you need to stop your massive exaggerations of what people say. Nobody said he sucks ass at PvP. He's just not as good at it as he used to be, and his other matchups have caught up to it.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Rolltide
Profile Joined May 2017
United States447 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-13 13:05:30
May 13 2018 13:01 GMT
#4635
On May 13 2018 15:12 Olli wrote:
Rolltide you need to stop your massive exaggerations of what people say. Nobody said he sucks ass at PvP. He's just not as good at it as he used to be, and his other matchups have caught up to it.



Those were my words(sucks ass). If I was quoting somebody there would be quotation marks around what they said and there were.

I'm glad you singled out me as being a lone person who misrepresents what others say.

Rolltide
Profile Joined May 2017
United States447 Posts
May 13 2018 13:26 GMT
#4636
Everybody has their way of making a point. Like mentioning ad nauseam how a Zest win over Hero somehow does not matter because Hero lost one best of 3 to eMotion in the GSL qualifier. Hero has been an elite Protoss player for years so it still matters to me when Zest beats him.

Nobody would bet their house on eMotion in a b of 7 vs Hero, ever. Citing one single online loss to Jieshi doesn't tell the whole story either.

Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
May 13 2018 13:43 GMT
#4637
On May 13 2018 22:26 Rolltide wrote:
Everybody has their way of making a point. Like mentioning ad nauseam how a Zest win over Hero somehow does not matter because Hero lost one best of 3 to eMotion in the GSL qualifier. Hero has been an elite Protoss player for years so it still matters to me when Zest beats him.

Nobody would bet their house on eMotion in a b of 7 vs Hero, ever. Citing one single online loss to Jieshi doesn't tell the whole story either.


Ofc one loss doesn't mean someone is bad at a matchup, but it is an indicator that it's not on the level it should be.

Let's put it like this.
In 2014 I would have never bet against Zest in a PvP regardless of who the opponent was, yet now I feel comfortable betting against him if he is facing a P heavy-hitter.
My boy Ptak defeated two GSL champions!
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
May 13 2018 14:00 GMT
#4638
I give up. Arguing with you is pointless.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Rolltide
Profile Joined May 2017
United States447 Posts
May 13 2018 14:17 GMT
#4639
On May 13 2018 23:00 Olli wrote:
I give up. Arguing with you is pointless.


Well that would be a first. Just like when I made a little off handed comment about Rogue being the best player and 12 people felt the absolute need to tell me how wrong I was. It was not even a main point of a post You would have thought I said that Jon Snow was the best player the way people responded.

I don't feel the need to argue with every damn point you ever make and I don't think I'm disrespectful of your opinions. You sometimes are disrespectful and rude.

FYI I'm probably old enough to be your father.


Plopus
Profile Joined November 2014
Switzerland112 Posts
May 15 2018 13:19 GMT
#4640
Zest is playing the Olimoleague semi final against Creator at the moment. Creator is clearly not the best protoss but I still think it is a good test for Zest's PvP.
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