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HEADD
Profile Joined June 2014
Czech Republic611 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-12 00:41:24
October 12 2014 00:40 GMT
#7221
Will be scartlett on homestory cup?
Phil0s0pher
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia317 Posts
October 12 2014 00:57 GMT
#7222
Heart just seems to have her number in all things TvZ.

Bad luck, though with changes to WCS in 2015 I smell a championship on the horizon!
Sometimes I remember that there will be a day where herO and Maru retire. And I get sad
BrieFanFiction
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States167 Posts
October 12 2014 04:04 GMT
#7223
You're still my favorite Scarlett! An off day will never change that!
variousczj
Profile Joined June 2014
Taiwan23 Posts
October 12 2014 04:34 GMT
#7224
nurf T
Get well soon!
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
October 12 2014 04:36 GMT
#7225
No matter what happens, you will come back even stronger! I hope you'll be at HSC, and if not, it's been a great 2014! The Red Bull NA win, the amazing performance at MLG, I'm glad I got to see it all! Scarlett fighting!
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
catbread
Profile Joined October 2014
Sweden4 Posts
October 12 2014 15:31 GMT
#7226
my first post ever on teamliquid:

I <3 scarlett!

Looking forward to the foreign hope finals and next season of wcs!
Soke
Profile Joined September 2012
United States790 Posts
October 12 2014 19:11 GMT
#7227
Terran is difficult, but Scarlett played nervously, much worse than she played against Bunny. :/ GL In everything Scarlett
Djsoke
Eolo
Profile Joined January 2013
Spain276 Posts
October 12 2014 19:47 GMT
#7228
On October 12 2014 08:36 Waterflow wrote:
Forget about this and go treat yourself to something yummy. You're still the best! <3


Of course Waterflow and I can tell too: Scarlett you lost the games but you gain a big hug of your fans. Cheer!
Vamos Scarlett ♪♫♪♫☼ :)
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
October 13 2014 10:52 GMT
#7229
Sign me up!
olol
Profile Joined August 2014
33 Posts
October 13 2014 13:50 GMT
#7230
Terran nerf/Zerg buff+region lock=easy WCS win for Scarlett/Snute next year.

At least I hope so.
HEADD
Profile Joined June 2014
Czech Republic611 Posts
October 13 2014 15:35 GMT
#7231
I am sure terran will get nerfed but it will be after blizzcon.If terran wins even blizzcon it will be ridiculous.Poor David kim
Btw scarlett maybe its now time for some terran offrace wins
Pontius Pirate
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United States1557 Posts
October 13 2014 21:27 GMT
#7232
On October 14 2014 00:35 HEADD wrote:
I am sure terran will get nerfed but it will be after blizzcon.If terran wins even blizzcon it will be ridiculous.Poor David kim
Btw scarlett maybe its now time for some terran offrace wins

It would have to be a relatively minor nerf. They're really not that OP on the whole, they're just really good against midgame and late midgame LingBlingMuta. They're pretty even in other compositions, and they still have trouble vs Protoss very late game. I think Scarlett may be hit harder than many other Zerg players, considering that the recent buffs to the Thor and the WM focus on combating Mutas, and she tends to favor exceptionally Muta-heavy strategies in ZvT.
"I had to close the door so my parents wouldn't judge me." - ZombieGrub during the ShitfaceTradeTV stream
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 14 2014 13:07 GMT
#7233
according to aligulac's earnings page the top 8 finish in WCS AM pushed Scarlett over $100,000 in tournament earnings
http://aligulac.com/earnings/
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Thax
Profile Joined July 2014
Belgium1060 Posts
October 14 2014 13:57 GMT
#7234
On October 14 2014 06:27 Pontius Pirate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 00:35 HEADD wrote:
I am sure terran will get nerfed but it will be after blizzcon.If terran wins even blizzcon it will be ridiculous.Poor David kim
Btw scarlett maybe its now time for some terran offrace wins

It would have to be a relatively minor nerf. They're really not that OP on the whole, they're just really good against midgame and late midgame LingBlingMuta. They're pretty even in other compositions, and they still have trouble vs Protoss very late game. I think Scarlett may be hit harder than many other Zerg players, considering that the recent buffs to the Thor and the WM focus on combating Mutas, and she tends to favor exceptionally Muta-heavy strategies in ZvT.


I agree. TvP and early game TvZ are in a pretty good spot IMO. It's just the combination of the Thor now primarily targeting air AND that Widow Mine damage buff that wrecks strategies relying on lots of light Zerg units. Plus the current map pool is pretty good for Terran drop play too. Lots of open space in bases.
William paradise
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
1753 Posts
October 14 2014 23:54 GMT
#7235
Scarlett are you going to be taking a break until next year or are you thinking of going to HSC or IEM later this year?
ok
Evil_Sheep
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada902 Posts
October 15 2014 01:34 GMT
#7236
On October 14 2014 22:07 Shellshock wrote:
according to aligulac's earnings page the top 8 finish in WCS AM pushed Scarlett over $100,000 in tournament earnings
http://aligulac.com/earnings/

Wow, Scarlett such a baller, maybe we'll need to call her $carlett from now on.

On October 14 2014 22:57 Thax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 06:27 Pontius Pirate wrote:
On October 14 2014 00:35 HEADD wrote:
I am sure terran will get nerfed but it will be after blizzcon.If terran wins even blizzcon it will be ridiculous.Poor David kim
Btw scarlett maybe its now time for some terran offrace wins

It would have to be a relatively minor nerf. They're really not that OP on the whole, they're just really good against midgame and late midgame LingBlingMuta. They're pretty even in other compositions, and they still have trouble vs Protoss very late game. I think Scarlett may be hit harder than many other Zerg players, considering that the recent buffs to the Thor and the WM focus on combating Mutas, and she tends to favor exceptionally Muta-heavy strategies in ZvT.


I agree. TvP and early game TvZ are in a pretty good spot IMO. It's just the combination of the Thor now primarily targeting air AND that Widow Mine damage buff that wrecks strategies relying on lots of light Zerg units. Plus the current map pool is pretty good for Terran drop play too. Lots of open space in bases.

Terrans are doing well right now post-patch, but that is always the case. Things will equalize like they always do as zergs adapt to the metagame. In fact, it may come as a surprise but according to Aligulac tvz is already perfectly balanced.

Zerg's biggest struggle right now is holding the buffed terran midgame pushes with muta/ling/bane, and I've noticed a lot of zergs including scarlett seem to be giving up on the midgame completely and just going all-in every game. Zerg all-ins are really strong but if zergs are busting all the time it is too predictable and the terran just has to open safe, hold it then they win. That was basically scarlett's quarterfinal.

IMHO zergs need to rediscover the macro game that defines the race, and maybe take it in a direction more like how pvt is currently structured. Just survive the midgame, defend, defend, defend, don't fight off creep, don't take any engagements you don't have to, harass to buy time, tech up and take it to the lategame where, no different than prepatch, zerg is still much better than terran. WM are no longer very useful lategame, once zerg get 3/3, ultras, infestors terran still don't have a real response to that. In fact, that hasn't changed since Lings of Liberty.

The last thing I'd note is that the new terran emphasis on mine/thor introduces new weaknesses as well. The mine is the siege tank 2.0: it's a siege tank that's invisible, shoots ground and air, "sieges" faster, and does all its damage in the first shot. It's a siege tank on roids, which is why no one uses siege tanks anymore. But it also shares some of the siege tank's weaknesses, most notably it still needs time to be "sieged." As a result, terran armies with mines need to play very positionally because if they get caught out on the map with their mines walking, just like WoL with unsieged tanks, your army can get quickly wiped out. Terrans have a lot of options in the midgame, but a lot of zvt games end up like this: the terran just walks his army across the map around the 12' mark, "sieges" up outside the 4th on the edge of creep because it's the most exposed, the zerg runs in with ling/bane/muta, the terran runs his army off creep and lets his mines take out half the zerg and his split marines pick off the rest of the slow banes one by one. Then they take out the 4th. A good engagement like this is usually game-ending.

Again, I think one solution for zerg is to take a page out of the pvt playbook. Protoss have a hell of a time defending the midgame push because terran can attack at the front, doom drop at the back, or split their army and attack on two fronts. As a result, they're building fleets of obs, walls of pylons across the map, hallucinogens: all to keep track of the terran army. Zergs don't have invisible observers, they actually have even better options. Burrowed lings around the map cost nothing and you even get ahead if terran scans to kill it. Burrowed banes can take out an army for free, if you're lucky and very on the ball. OL's are effectively free, allowing you to keep track of drops. And of course good creep spread is virtually maphacking. Unlike protoss or terran, a lot of zerg scouting comes almost for free. Zergs have stopped hiding lings or scouting the terran army, but if the zerg can keep track of the terran army, engage it before they get ready into a siege position eg outside the 4th, before mines are burrowed, and snipe the mines before they get a shot off, that engagement goes far better for zerg. Zvt midgame basically all revolves around one absurd, borderline broken unit called the widow mine, and most standard zvt's are won or lost by a single factor: what the widow mine is connecting with.

And the final note re thors: yes they are good but they also have a major weakness, they are fucking slow, just like mech, which is the #1 reason why mech sucks and it's never been a real strategy. Keeping track of a terran army with thors in it should be ludicrously easy for a zerg with all their scouting and highly mobile units. In the present zvt metagame terrans are catching zergs out of position all the time but they really shouldn't be. Terrans are used to thinking positionally because they have to in all their matchups, esp tvt, zergs need to start doing it better and scouting better and I think the matchup will improve a lot for them.
HEADD
Profile Joined June 2014
Czech Republic611 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-15 02:54:28
October 15 2014 02:51 GMT
#7237
Well this is pretty OT and belongs to balance thread.But yes it seems scarlet suffer from patch pretty badly from best match up to far worst.
Well patch is out already pretty long.Its 3 months.Not weak but 3 months and zergs still looks like they dont have any idea how beat terran.
I think if they didn figure out that in 3 months i call it that terran is just over buffed and OP.

Terran never been that strong vs zerg
Widow mines are in same position like they was in start of HOTS and everyone consider them Op and blizzard nerf them(why they revert it?)
But on top of that they have now hellbat buff-zergs cant have now good early economy.
And ANTI muta buff(thor buff).

catbread
Profile Joined October 2014
Sweden4 Posts
October 15 2014 08:22 GMT
#7238
Sign me up!
xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4060 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-15 10:31:48
October 15 2014 10:10 GMT
#7239
Yeah its not only Scarlett, HyuN was also having serious difficulties; terrain is just in a highly favorable spot atm post patch, all they must do is lure the flock of banelings at the edge of creep where the widow mines strike hard; add to that scans to clean creep, mules to ensure a constant stream of marines, and if the gamer also does splits like Heart does then it's pretty damn difficult to do anything, you need more hatches to compensate the mules but how can you get that when they're constantly denied, you just don't have a counter to the mid game economy and buffed units of the terran if you're not extremely aggressively expanding, Scarlett realised this and did everything right when trying to take more bases and more macro hatches, of course she is Scarlett and her godlike skills also allowed her to repel the first waves of marines while trying to keep the balance between units and drones, but fact is that transitioning to endgame became a lot more challenging even for world class pros and this shows.

Edit
There may be typing fails above as my phone believes that by hyun I mean hungary, terran is terrain etc

EEdit2 anyone who says she played bad against heart, you're most definitely blind as there was a very delicate balance she had to maintain to survive those games, if anyone thinks they can do better than Scarlett I would pay out of my own pocket to see them try , I'll laugh so hard

It's why I found the lr thread on that day absolutely disgusting to put it gently. So much html skill
Life - forever the Legend in my heart
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18634 Posts
October 15 2014 12:16 GMT
#7240
I don't think zergs are so much in disadvantage. What I don't understand is why zergs keep enganging off creep.
Scarlett should have copied more from soO He waits for terrans to get on creep before launching an attack
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