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Angel_
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1617 Posts
November 29 2012 06:38 GMT
#8581
On November 29 2012 15:16 ssw2ndtime wrote:
the onemoregame interview was not so smooth cuz of the translator
such a pity ....


it also wasnt smooth because the questions were pointedly retarded. i was happy to see hero though, and to watch him laugh as much as he did.
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-29 08:32:39
November 29 2012 08:16 GMT
#8582
On November 29 2012 14:34 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 12:32 mongmong wrote:
On November 29 2012 11:57 Wombat_NI wrote:
Thanks a lot man. Even though I knew he won, it's kind of funny to me that him beating Alive didn't surprise me, but him taking out Symbol did.

Considering that HerO is still often perceived as a PvZ specialist, It's a testament to how much his PvT has improved, and how good it actually is at that matchup. HerO's PvT is genuinely one of the most underrated matchups out of almost any pro player I can think of.

Kind of ironic that an historic PvZ specialist, is actually probably struggling the most in that matchup!





Hero slaughtered Symbol in GSL as well.



Oh he did, I wasn't trying to say HerO's PvZ is terrible by any means. What I feel the issue was is that a lot of his games he plays for 3-4 base super-long macro game and tries to harass a lot. This style is good, but when he's going for it every game Zergs took notice of this and improved defence. They could take bigger risks to blind-counter his style and this is especially important as it's a style that is harder/more risky to play than turtle into BL/Infestor.

Dreamhack is actually what has given me a lot of confidence for HerO going into IPL5. He was executing Immortal/Sentry extremely well, which wasn't the case in his last GSL games for one. He was also doing more 3 base timings and stuff like that.

I'm reading between the lines a lot here, but I do feel this shows that HerO is re-evaluating some of his PvZ. He perhaps felt in that matchup he was in danger of 'doing an Idra', namely playing the same style game in, game out, and that Zergs were increasingly trying to counter his specific style.

A player with HerO's multitasking intensive lategame is scary enough, but a player with that and the capacity to pull off crisp timing attacks is a hell of a lot more dangerous.



Thanks for clarification.

I couldnt agree with you more.

Playing safe macro style is good, but you need to mix

in different strats like 2 base immortal all in, creator prime style 3 base

timing attack etc etc. What I noticed from Hero's game against Snute is that he really

refined his immortal all build compared to how he did last time against Curious.


Edit: I saw the interview on liveonthree.

Happy to see him smile but the interview was quite bad tbh
어헣 ↗ 어헣 ↗
kochujang
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1226 Posts
November 29 2012 11:30 GMT
#8583
Good luck in Las Vegas, HerO! Would be very cool if you could win IPL5 too
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27202 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-29 12:09:09
November 29 2012 12:08 GMT
#8584
On November 29 2012 17:16 mongmong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 14:34 Wombat_NI wrote:
On November 29 2012 12:32 mongmong wrote:
On November 29 2012 11:57 Wombat_NI wrote:
Thanks a lot man. Even though I knew he won, it's kind of funny to me that him beating Alive didn't surprise me, but him taking out Symbol did.

Considering that HerO is still often perceived as a PvZ specialist, It's a testament to how much his PvT has improved, and how good it actually is at that matchup. HerO's PvT is genuinely one of the most underrated matchups out of almost any pro player I can think of.

Kind of ironic that an historic PvZ specialist, is actually probably struggling the most in that matchup!





Hero slaughtered Symbol in GSL as well.



Oh he did, I wasn't trying to say HerO's PvZ is terrible by any means. What I feel the issue was is that a lot of his games he plays for 3-4 base super-long macro game and tries to harass a lot. This style is good, but when he's going for it every game Zergs took notice of this and improved defence. They could take bigger risks to blind-counter his style and this is especially important as it's a style that is harder/more risky to play than turtle into BL/Infestor.

Dreamhack is actually what has given me a lot of confidence for HerO going into IPL5. He was executing Immortal/Sentry extremely well, which wasn't the case in his last GSL games for one. He was also doing more 3 base timings and stuff like that.

I'm reading between the lines a lot here, but I do feel this shows that HerO is re-evaluating some of his PvZ. He perhaps felt in that matchup he was in danger of 'doing an Idra', namely playing the same style game in, game out, and that Zergs were increasingly trying to counter his specific style.

A player with HerO's multitasking intensive lategame is scary enough, but a player with that and the capacity to pull off crisp timing attacks is a hell of a lot more dangerous.



Thanks for clarification.

I couldnt agree with you more.

Playing safe macro style is good, but you need to mix

in different strats like 2 base immortal all in, creator prime style 3 base

timing attack etc etc. What I noticed from Hero's game against Snute is that he really

refined his immortal all build compared to how he did last time against Curious.


Edit: I saw the interview on liveonthree.

Happy to see him smile but the interview was quite bad tbh

Ah, that was exact the game I was thinking of too, the Snute one. I noticed that his build was actually tighter, like he was leaving a good minute before he did in his GSL games. His prism micro was excellent, as was the execution of other parts of the build.

I'm not sure why, I think in the GSL games he was trying too hard to hide it/fake out his opponent, rather than committing outright to it. He might have overestimated his opponent's ability to defend a tight Immortal allin for example, so tried to be tricky and ending up failing horribly with it.

As it is, I personally feel HerO is a better player than say, Parting, based on an average of their proficiency in all 3 matchups. If HerO had more crisp timing attacks in his repetoire he would piss over just about every Protoss in the world in terms of gameplay.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Brandhor
Profile Joined January 2012
482 Posts
November 29 2012 14:39 GMT
#8585
On November 29 2012 15:38 Angel_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 15:16 ssw2ndtime wrote:
the onemoregame interview was not so smooth cuz of the translator
such a pity ....


it also wasnt smooth because the questions were pointedly retarded. i was happy to see hero though, and to watch him laugh as much as he did.

I wanted to stop djwheat when he asked about hero playing with his brother because I knew it was 99.9% wrong, but I thought that it might have been something that I didn't know about hero I think he confused him with sullyrabbit, but imho the biggest problem was slasher shitty connection, I don't even know if hero could ear something with all that noise
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
November 29 2012 15:23 GMT
#8586
On November 29 2012 21:08 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2012 17:16 mongmong wrote:
On November 29 2012 14:34 Wombat_NI wrote:
On November 29 2012 12:32 mongmong wrote:
On November 29 2012 11:57 Wombat_NI wrote:
Thanks a lot man. Even though I knew he won, it's kind of funny to me that him beating Alive didn't surprise me, but him taking out Symbol did.

Considering that HerO is still often perceived as a PvZ specialist, It's a testament to how much his PvT has improved, and how good it actually is at that matchup. HerO's PvT is genuinely one of the most underrated matchups out of almost any pro player I can think of.

Kind of ironic that an historic PvZ specialist, is actually probably struggling the most in that matchup!





Hero slaughtered Symbol in GSL as well.



Oh he did, I wasn't trying to say HerO's PvZ is terrible by any means. What I feel the issue was is that a lot of his games he plays for 3-4 base super-long macro game and tries to harass a lot. This style is good, but when he's going for it every game Zergs took notice of this and improved defence. They could take bigger risks to blind-counter his style and this is especially important as it's a style that is harder/more risky to play than turtle into BL/Infestor.

Dreamhack is actually what has given me a lot of confidence for HerO going into IPL5. He was executing Immortal/Sentry extremely well, which wasn't the case in his last GSL games for one. He was also doing more 3 base timings and stuff like that.

I'm reading between the lines a lot here, but I do feel this shows that HerO is re-evaluating some of his PvZ. He perhaps felt in that matchup he was in danger of 'doing an Idra', namely playing the same style game in, game out, and that Zergs were increasingly trying to counter his specific style.

A player with HerO's multitasking intensive lategame is scary enough, but a player with that and the capacity to pull off crisp timing attacks is a hell of a lot more dangerous.



Thanks for clarification.

I couldnt agree with you more.

Playing safe macro style is good, but you need to mix

in different strats like 2 base immortal all in, creator prime style 3 base

timing attack etc etc. What I noticed from Hero's game against Snute is that he really

refined his immortal all build compared to how he did last time against Curious.


Edit: I saw the interview on liveonthree.

Happy to see him smile but the interview was quite bad tbh

Ah, that was exact the game I was thinking of too, the Snute one. I noticed that his build was actually tighter, like he was leaving a good minute before he did in his GSL games. His prism micro was excellent, as was the execution of other parts of the build.

I'm not sure why, I think in the GSL games he was trying too hard to hide it/fake out his opponent, rather than committing outright to it. He might have overestimated his opponent's ability to defend a tight Immortal allin for example, so tried to be tricky and ending up failing horribly with it.

As it is, I personally feel HerO is a better player than say, Parting, based on an average of their proficiency in all 3 matchups. If HerO had more crisp timing attacks in his repetoire he would piss over just about every Protoss in the world in terms of gameplay.


I agree 100%. HerO is one of the absolute smartest players in the game but he often ends up tricking himself or trying too hard to outsmart his opponent when it might be better to just go brute force. With that godly micro of his, if he straight up executes something like an immortal/sentry all in like he did against Snute, I doubt he'd drop any games at all.

I think it's best to see in HerO's PvT at the moment. Pretty much every decision he makes in the matchup is super smart, probably because he feels confident in the matchup and understands it really really well. That's why you see him do things like build 7 colossi against aLive or go DTs against a one base terran. He just reads the game insanely well and plays according to it.
I think his perceived PvZ weakness is purely due to confidence issues. I still think his understanding of the matchup is the best out of every single protoss in the world but that gets to him as he always has in mind how hard the matchup really is. If there's something like a "light at the end of the tunnel/lategame", which might still develop, I really believe that HerO will go right back to being the best PvZer in the world almost instantly. And then, ladies and gentlemen, we have ourselves an all around MONSTER of a player.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
November 29 2012 17:00 GMT
#8587
HerO to win IPL5! :D
GL HF! HerO FIGHTING! <3 <3
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SpadeAce
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands100 Posts
November 29 2012 17:42 GMT
#8588
Good luck in Las Vegas HerO!! I'm cheering for you, gogo win :D
kitchen867
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada32 Posts
November 29 2012 17:50 GMT
#8589
Good luck HerO! I hope you have a good time and make it deep into IPL5!
Brandhor
Profile Joined January 2012
482 Posts
November 29 2012 20:05 GMT
#8590
by the way did hero change hair color again after bwc? I thought it was the lighting at dreamhack but even yesterday during the interview they were orange like one year ago
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
November 29 2012 20:23 GMT
#8591
On November 30 2012 05:05 Brandhor wrote:
by the way did hero change hair color again after bwc? I thought it was the lighting at dreamhack but even yesterday during the interview they were orange like one year ago


He dyed it dark red-ish is what I think it is
Though I really really really want him to go back to gold OR fulfill his promise to me (silver).
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Brandhor
Profile Joined January 2012
482 Posts
November 29 2012 20:52 GMT
#8592
On November 30 2012 05:23 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2012 05:05 Brandhor wrote:
by the way did hero change hair color again after bwc? I thought it was the lighting at dreamhack but even yesterday during the interview they were orange like one year ago


He dyed it dark red-ish is what I think it is
Though I really really really want him to go back to gold OR fulfill his promise to me (silver).

yeah that was before bwc
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but now they are clearly different
[image loading]
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-29 21:04:31
November 29 2012 20:55 GMT
#8593
We shall see, he's playing Stephano on the main stream now :D

Final decision: no, his hair just got out of that "freshly dyed" state!
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
iKill[ShocK]
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Vietnam3530 Posts
November 29 2012 22:02 GMT
#8594
JUST SMASHED STEPHANO, NP. GOOGO HERO!
<3 Kim Taeyeon
CrazyBirdman
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany3509 Posts
November 29 2012 22:03 GMT
#8595
On November 30 2012 07:02 iKill[ShocK] wrote:
JUST SMASHED STEPHANO, NP. GOOGO HERO!

SO MUCH SOUL
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10342 Posts
November 29 2012 22:03 GMT
#8596
Good shit HerO! Don't scare me like that again though, so many mistakes in Game 1 :D
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kju
Profile Joined September 2010
6143 Posts
November 29 2012 22:04 GMT
#8597
thx for the fast 3rd game, GG
kochujang
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1226 Posts
November 29 2012 22:05 GMT
#8598
HerO is now officially warmed up!
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
November 29 2012 22:06 GMT
#8599
I love how calm he looked in game 3. Still, not exactly Dreamhack-HerO yet. But I do think he'll show up soon enough :D
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Dauntless
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway548 Posts
November 29 2012 22:17 GMT
#8600
On November 30 2012 07:03 R1CH wrote:
Good shit HerO! Don't scare me like that again though, so many mistakes in Game 1 :D

R1CH, you have to make sure HerO is sufficiently warmed up, man

GG HerO, you just knocked a favourite into the Loser's Bracket!
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