The HerO Fan Club! - Page 302

On July 06 2012 07:43 Brandhor wrote:
I don't understand why he almost always tries to cheese in the last match in pvp, it's too risky, and as far as I can remember he always lose
at least he got a good amount of points, hopefully he'll get a lot more in the last qualifier

On July 06 2012 07:43 Brandhor wrote:
I don't understand why he almost always tries to cheese in the last match in pvp, it's too risky, and as far as I can remember he always lose
at least he got a good amount of points, hopefully he'll get a lot more in the last qualifier

On July 06 2012 07:45 recklessfire wrote:


i thought it was a good call actually, but it might have been better to do a proxy 2 gate. Genius scouted late every single game, so a proxy was a pretty good bet, he just ended up mismiscroing his stalkers a bit and it put him behind.

On July 06 2012 08:10 Angel_ wrote:


Semi-related; semi- "brought up in my mind from your comment that I've had for a long while."

I love HerO to death, but, if there was one thing he did that I REALLY did not approve of, it's this idea he has that he should do RANDOM (literally random) stuff (I'm just gonna 8 gate this game no matter what) for the sake of being unpredictable. It's one thing to do it when you're relatively sure you can win. And it's okay to do occasionally, but I feel like he does it a lot. And there's a difference between "I'm going to do SOME kind of cheese this game depending on what I scout" and just going in planning to do like a four-gate. Especially when, realistically, HerO is so fucking good at this game, and honestly...yeah predictability is a point worth mentioning...But his play style is rediculously intelligent, multi-tasking oriented, and always seems to be planned out for later in the game even if it has to change half-way. There's not a whole lot to "master" in terms of learning his playstyle, simply because it's so clean, and each game is a different game generally.

I really feel if he just embraced that, and if he still wanted to cheese but did it in a better planned, "Alright I'm going in this game planning to cheese but we'll see which one depending on what I scout" or whatever, or honestly just played the solid, smart, beautiful way he just does, it would let him do a lot better, AND...you know, when it comes down to it, I think that the choice to do cheese simply to not be predictable to me sounds more like un-confidence. It sounds like a completely sub-conscious "I don't think i can win just being me", which makes me feel kind of sad.

Don't get me wrong either cheese definitely has a lot of place in sc2, from keeping your opponent off-guard, to messing with his head a lot, to straight up using it as a reaction to something too greedy, to trying to get an easy win, and I'm not trying to fault him at all for using it. I just feel that the reason for using it has consistently been one of the reasons that he has games that are so awesome and then results that don't reflect how amazing of a player he is. Not that his results haven't been amazing; just we all know that HerO is ridiculous and awesome and fully capable of winning really anything when he's confident. I think it's just a thing he's still struggling with and learning and this is an example of that, even though he's come really really far.

Just some thoughts I've had for a couple months that you brought up in my mind.

Always cheering. Love. <3

On July 06 2012 08:24 ggrrg wrote:
Come on, Hero! Reach the semifinals next week again and you are in!

On July 06 2012 08:10 Angel_ wrote:


Semi-related; semi- "brought up in my mind from your comment that I've had for a long while."

I love HerO to death, but, if there was one thing he did that I REALLY did not approve of, it's this idea he has that he should do RANDOM (literally random) stuff (I'm just gonna 8 gate this game no matter what) for the sake of being unpredictable. It's one thing to do it when you're relatively sure you can win. And it's okay to do occasionally, but I feel like he does it a lot. And there's a difference between "I'm going to do SOME kind of cheese this game depending on what I scout" and just going in planning to do like a four-gate. Especially when, realistically, HerO is so fucking good at this game, and honestly...yeah predictability is a point worth mentioning...But his play style is rediculously intelligent, multi-tasking oriented, and always seems to be planned out for later in the game even if it has to change half-way. There's not a whole lot to "master" in terms of learning his playstyle, simply because it's so clean, and each game is a different game generally.

I really feel if he just embraced that, and if he still wanted to cheese but did it in a better planned, "Alright I'm going in this game planning to cheese but we'll see which one depending on what I scout" or whatever, or honestly just played the solid, smart, beautiful way he just does, it would let him do a lot better, AND...you know, when it comes down to it, I think that the choice to do cheese simply to not be predictable to me sounds more like un-confidence. It sounds like a completely sub-conscious "I don't think i can win just being me", which makes me feel kind of sad.

Don't get me wrong either cheese definitely has a lot of place in sc2, from keeping your opponent off-guard, to messing with his head a lot, to straight up using it as a reaction to something too greedy, to trying to get an easy win, and I'm not trying to fault him at all for using it. I just feel that the reason for using it has consistently been one of the reasons that he has games that are so awesome and then results that don't reflect how amazing of a player he is. Not that his results haven't been amazing; just we all know that HerO is ridiculous and awesome and fully capable of winning really anything when he's confident. I think it's just a thing he's still struggling with and learning and this is an example of that, even though he's come really really far.

Just some thoughts I've had for a couple months that you brought up in my mind.

Always cheering. Love. <3

On July 06 2012 08:41 Yamulo wrote:

I really disagree with the first paragraph. Genius had been skipping zealot and going double gas with no scout in the first two games so HerO thought he would do it again, which was a risk, and yes he paid for it. But in his games against Coca he decided he wanted to do a 7 gate and when it was scouted he decided to play defensive and take a third. That is hardly what you say he does, but he does just randomly 4 gate some times.

However, I agree that if HerO just played straight up every game he would just beat everyone.

On July 06 2012 08:41 Yamulo wrote:

I really disagree with the first paragraph. Genius had been skipping zealot and going double gas with no scout in the first two games so HerO thought he would do it again, which was a risk, and yes he paid for it. But in his games against Coca he decided he wanted to do a 7 gate and when it was scouted he decided to play defensive and take a third. That is hardly what you say he does, but he does just randomly 4 gate some times.

However, I agree that if HerO just played straight up every game he would just beat everyone.

On July 06 2012 08:10 Angel_ wrote:


Semi-related; semi- "brought up in my mind from your comment that I've had for a long while."

I love HerO to death, but, if there was one thing he did that I REALLY did not approve of, it's this idea he has that he should do RANDOM (literally random) stuff (I'm just gonna 8 gate this game no matter what) for the sake of being unpredictable. It's one thing to do it when you're relatively sure you can win. And it's okay to do occasionally, but I feel like he does it a lot. And there's a difference between "I'm going to do SOME kind of cheese this game depending on what I scout" and just going in planning to do like a four-gate. Especially when, realistically, HerO is so fucking good at this game, and honestly...yeah predictability is a point worth mentioning...But his play style is rediculously intelligent, multi-tasking oriented, and always seems to be planned out for later in the game even if it has to change half-way. There's not a whole lot to "master" in terms of learning his playstyle, simply because it's so clean, and each game is a different game generally.

I really feel if he just embraced that, and if he still wanted to cheese but did it in a better planned, "Alright I'm going in this game planning to cheese but we'll see which one depending on what I scout" or whatever, or honestly just played the solid, smart, beautiful way he just does, it would let him do a lot better, AND...you know, when it comes down to it, I think that the choice to do cheese simply to not be predictable to me sounds more like un-confidence. It sounds like a completely sub-conscious "I don't think i can win just being me", which makes me feel kind of sad.

Don't get me wrong either cheese definitely has a lot of place in sc2, from keeping your opponent off-guard, to messing with his head a lot, to straight up using it as a reaction to something too greedy, to trying to get an easy win, and I'm not trying to fault him at all for using it. I just feel that the reason for using it has consistently been one of the reasons that he has games that are so awesome and then results that don't reflect how amazing of a player he is. Not that his results haven't been amazing; just we all know that HerO is ridiculous and awesome and fully capable of winning really anything when he's confident. I think it's just a thing he's still struggling with and learning and this is an example of that, even though he's come really really far.

Just some thoughts I've had for a couple months that you brought up in my mind.

Always cheering. Love. <3

On July 06 2012 08:32 Brandhor wrote:

it depends on what the other players do, coca hyun and genius can probably get another 20 points quite easily