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On May 07 2011 09:16 travis wrote:
ok kvothe, here is a little lesson in logic
there is a very big difference between saying that something proves innocence, and saying that it doesn't prove guilt.
as for staying classy, do you not realize you are coming here and smearing your bullshit all over the walls of cruncher's fan club? you're making it smell like you, leave please
Here's a lesson in logic for you, there is no reason for him to show the screenshot, highlighting the fact Idra's stream was muted. What else was he trying to prove by bringing that up, he deliberately went out of his way to say the stream was muted. When that had zero bearing on proof or not, yet he tried to claim it as such.
User was temp banned for this post.
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Hey guys I heard that in a fanclub thread we generally talk about how we are fans of the player that the fanclub is associated with. But maybe I'm crazy.
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Stream sniping has always been perfectly fine and encouraged most of the time. There are a few notable instances where it's not (ie. SixJaxTerran vs FXOSheth, and this one) but most of the time it's laughed off.
Is it technically wrong? Yes. I'm also guessing it's against the ToS for Blizzard as well (something related to using 3rd party programs to circumvent the matchmaking system), but at the end of the day Cruncher didn't do anything catastrophically bad, he was forced to edit his post (being that this is a first offense), and IdrA got a 2 day ban (a light sentence IMO).
IdrA completely went over the line and should have been punished, and IMO should probably be perma-banned for what he did to Chill(I'm not a mod and I make no decisions don't kill me). Either way keep up the good work Cruncher....I'm not a huge fan but that's only because you play protoss, but I can say you have accomplished one goal, IdrA has lost a fan.
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On May 07 2011 05:52 DaggothReborn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2011 07:10 CrunCher wrote:lol. idra fanboys so uspet i sniped idra. watch my stream next time  cant accept a loss  about the 'cheating': sniping=waiting till he searches to search http://puu.sh/1Tpwas you can see the sound is muted and the guy ss'd my stream(live) idra all-ins half the games in ipl, and i didnt see him expand. and you make 2 gateways so you block off faster, mostly after nexus first (and i dropped my 2nd gate before he dropped his roach warren). and 2 cannons when you nexus first is cheating? (watch gsl/ipl/nasl, ex- anypro makes 3 cannons and zealot/sentry/stalker before tech) I have a few questions for you. I will provide picture evidence for your ease of answering. First, here are some pictures. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YL0I1.png) In this image, you can see the time you played idra. it is the 35:37 timestamp on his vod. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2sHDr.png) On this image, you can see when he plays this red terran on his stream. note the time, 1:06:54 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/RCbJC.png) On this image you provided to us all, i noted 4 circles some things.. Red Circle: I pointed this part of your image out, because i am confused why you opened his stream just over 30 minutes later, after your game, when you were already logged in, and viewing his stream 40 minutes before that. Green Circle: I pointed this out because i am confused why you are watching the replay of your previous game 40 minutes later from your game. Yellow Circle: I pointed this out, because you can clearly see that this was a replay. Blue Circle: I pointed this out, because this circle points out that you "just" logged into your room and went live with your broadcast. As all viewers can see, if they save your image you uploaded, you took that screenshot at 5:30:30PM, which ironically is 30 minutes after your game with IdrA. This is a statement i can prove: You were logged into your Justin.TV account, and watching IdrAs stream as the match was starting, but failed to go to your own room until 40 minutes AFTER the game was over. And i am curious why you used the snipping tool to highlight your entire screen, but fail to capture the time? Most users who wanted to post a screenshot of their entire screen, would of just pressed the "prtscr" button on their keyboard. As you can see in the screenshot you provided, the user "sectionnine" posted a message at 5:03. You took the screenshot at 5:30. But you waited nearly an hour before posting on teamliquid? Why did you take this screenshot? What this looks like to me, is a screenshot if you viewing idras stream almost an hour AFTER your game was playing. What this image PROVES is you were watching his stream 40 minutes after your game was over. This still dont explain you being in idras room as your match was starting. This image dont disprove anything because this image was taken nearly an hour after the game. What i think happened: I think, after you beat idra, you seen his chat calling you out on watching his stream, so you quickly disconnected out of his room. You then went to teamliquid, and read through three pages until you seen my image that i posted showing PROOF that you were in his channel as the game ended. So, i think you started your stream, went to idras stream, pressed the mute button, the snapped a screenshot to defend yourself showing that the mutebutton was on. but when you took the screenshot, idra was playing a player much later in his stream from when he played you.
Ladies and gentlemen, world's greatest detective.
That being said, I'm now a fan of cruncher. Anyone who gets Idra to temper tantrum this hard has to be a fairly legit guy to me.
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CrunCher and Idra are both very good players and I like their competition. Truth is, no one really knows what they've done or what their reasons are. And no one has to prove their innocence. When you little scamps get together, you're worse than a sewing circle.
I do believe, I would like to watch a showmatch. But these guys have their own lives and I'll just have to content myself with CrunCher's PvZ on his stream. Can't complain. :D
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Hahahaha! So pathetic. I have been following teamliquid for about half a year now and I love starcraft. I did not decide to make an account until now. Cruncher is not cheating rofl. IdrA all-ins all the time to compensate for his lack of skills (I mean, come on lol. ZvP on Tal'Darim Altar vs a Protoss you think is "shit" and you still think your best shot for a win is an all-in... rofl). He went forge expand, put 2cannons behind it (OH MY GOD. HE WENT FORGE EXPAND AND MADE CANNONS? HACKER! CHEATER! STREAMGHOSTER!) vs. a Zerg he knows is bad and often goes for all-ins (GSL4- 6pool with drones vs Jinro, NASL- Roach/Ling all-in vs Socke, Dreamhack- 6pool vs MC etc. etc. etc. Let's face it, he all-ins A-friggin-LOT). . Shortly after, IdrA predicts 2 stalkers comming out of the gateways to prove that he's ghosting. Wops, appears 2 zealots that got kited to death popped up. Surely Zealots are the counter to roaches  . Now, what really makes me laugh is the stories people are making up. "He made 4-5 cannons, chronoed out 2stalkers, prepared like crazy without any vision of the all-in.".. like... shut up. If you wanna fanboy that socially disabled douchebag- fine. But stop jumpin on his bandwagon when he goes around calling everybody who goes forge expand "cheaters", just really fcking sad.
Also, sign me up for the fanclub =)
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On May 07 2011 12:43 HealingproofX wrote:Hahahaha! So pathetic. I have been following teamliquid for about half a year now and I love starcraft. I did not decide to make an account until now. Cruncher is not cheating rofl. IdrA all-ins all the time to compensate for his lack of skills (I mean, come on lol. ZvP on Tal'Darim Altar vs a Protoss you think is "shit" and you still think your best shot for a win is an all-in... rofl). He went forge expand, put 2cannons behind it (OH MY GOD. HE WENT FORGE EXPAND AND MADE CANNONS? HACKER! CHEATER! STREAMGHOSTER!) vs. a Zerg he knows is bad and often goes for all-ins (GSL4- 6pool with drones vs Jinro, NASL- Roach/Ling all-in vs Socke, Dreamhack- 6pool vs MC etc. etc. etc. Let's face it, he all-ins A-friggin-LOT). . Shortly after, IdrA predicts 2 stalkers comming out of the gateways to prove that he's ghosting. Wops, appears 2 zealots that got kited to death popped up. Surely Zealots are the counter to roaches . Now, what really makes me laugh is the stories people are making up. "He made 4-5 cannons, chronoed out 2stalkers, prepared like crazy without any vision of the all-in.".. like... shut up. If you wanna fanboy that socially disabled douchebag- fine. But stop jumpin on his bandwagon when he goes around calling everybody who goes forge expand "cheaters", just really fcking sad. Also, sign me up for the fanclub =)
If you followed TL for a year, you would realize that people like it when paragraphs are used.
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Are the Idra fans implying that EVERY single person watching Cruncher's stream are all conspiring some elaborate plan when they say he muted Idra's stream?
The word of so many different people is more than enough evidence for me.
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On May 07 2011 12:43 HealingproofX wrote:Hahahaha! So pathetic. I have been following teamliquid for about half a year now and I love starcraft. I did not decide to make an account until now. Cruncher is not cheating rofl. IdrA all-ins all the time to compensate for his lack of skills (I mean, come on lol. ZvP on Tal'Darim Altar vs a Protoss you think is "shit" and you still think your best shot for a win is an all-in... rofl). He went forge expand, put 2cannons behind it (OH MY GOD. HE WENT FORGE EXPAND AND MADE CANNONS? HACKER! CHEATER! STREAMGHOSTER!) vs. a Zerg he knows is bad and often goes for all-ins (GSL4- 6pool with drones vs Jinro, NASL- Roach/Ling all-in vs Socke, Dreamhack- 6pool vs MC etc. etc. etc. Let's face it, he all-ins A-friggin-LOT). . Shortly after, IdrA predicts 2 stalkers comming out of the gateways to prove that he's ghosting. Wops, appears 2 zealots that got kited to death popped up. Surely Zealots are the counter to roaches . Now, what really makes me laugh is the stories people are making up. "He made 4-5 cannons, chronoed out 2stalkers, prepared like crazy without any vision of the all-in.".. like... shut up. If you wanna fanboy that socially disabled douchebag- fine. But stop jumpin on his bandwagon when he goes around calling everybody who goes forge expand "cheaters", just really fcking sad. Also, sign me up for the fanclub =)
Either you are trolling or you are just an idiot. Regardless, you should just leave. In fact, the last few pages of this thread shuld really just be burned... so much shit.
Here is what has been established:
1. There is no solid evidence to suggest anything other than stream-sniping
2. Neither player is especially concerned about this. Idra doesn't care about ladder games and is clearly a much more successful player than cruncher, no need for him to care either way. Cruncher has clearly stated that he did not cheat, and since there is no evidence to really suggest otherwise... can we drop this?
3. The only people who seem to still be involved in this are the fanboys and antifanboys of Idra. Just stop fucking talking about it.
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Just for the record, I'm not a fan of either idra or cruncher, but i think cruncher is hilarious. Its funny because hes actually good enough to beat idra half the time also.
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On May 07 2011 14:22 m3rciless wrote: Its funny because hes actually good enough to beat idra half the time also.
If he's good enough to beat idra half the time, why doesn't he do it? (Or are you not talking about ladder?)
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On May 07 2011 14:22 m3rciless wrote:
Just for the record, I'm not a fan of either idra or cruncher, but i think cruncher is hilarious. Its funny because hes actually good enough to beat idra half the time also.
He is actually 3/20 with idra or something like that...
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On May 07 2011 20:15 Leavzou wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 14:22 m3rciless wrote:
Just for the record, I'm not a fan of either idra or cruncher, but i think cruncher is hilarious. Its funny because hes actually good enough to beat idra half the time also. He is actually 3/20 with idra or something like that...
Pretty sure he has a positive winrate vs Idra No offence to Idra, but Cruncher is better.
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On May 07 2011 20:57 HealingproofX wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 20:15 Leavzou wrote:On May 07 2011 14:22 m3rciless wrote:
Just for the record, I'm not a fan of either idra or cruncher, but i think cruncher is hilarious. Its funny because hes actually good enough to beat idra half the time also. He is actually 3/20 with idra or something like that... Pretty sure he has a positive winrate vs Idra No offence to Idra, but Cruncher is better.
He does not, it's vastly in IdrAs favor. (Unless you only count tournaments where I think Cruncher has the edge)
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On May 07 2011 20:57 HealingproofX wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 20:15 Leavzou wrote:On May 07 2011 14:22 m3rciless wrote:
Just for the record, I'm not a fan of either idra or cruncher, but i think cruncher is hilarious. Its funny because hes actually good enough to beat idra half the time also. He is actually 3/20 with idra or something like that... Pretty sure he has a positive winrate vs Idra No offence to Idra, but Cruncher is better.
Cruncher better than idra ?
If it's not a troll, I think you should stop follow the scene...
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Pretty sure Cruncher is dominating idra ^_^ If you disagree, please provide proof. Until then, Cruncher is just dominating IdrA
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On May 07 2011 21:43 HealingproofX wrote:Pretty sure Cruncher is dominating idra ^_^ If you disagree, please provide proof. Until then, Cruncher is just dominating IdrA
I'm sorry, horrible WoW players shouldn't even try trolling, especially in TL.
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On May 07 2011 21:46 zedi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 21:43 HealingproofX wrote:Pretty sure Cruncher is dominating idra ^_^ If you disagree, please provide proof. Until then, Cruncher is just dominating IdrA I'm sorry, horrible WoW players shouldn't even try trolling, especially in TL.
I am reassured..
I could not beleave someone think cruncher > idra ):
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