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Cruncher has a fanclub thread, a stream thread, many followers, participates in important tournaments (TSL etc) and you're asking who cares if he cheats?
To answer your question, I doubt the mods would care if you stream cheated, or even maphacked on your stream, simply because you are not a progamer, are not a significant player in the SC2 community, and the mods probably have better things to do with their time. (I assume)
Clearly I've offended you to take a stab at me. I'm trying to invoke a discussion about it. I don't see why my play/stream goes here when I made no such reference. Regardless...
My main point is, it's not like he's cheating in the GSL/TSL/MLG major tournament (and I am not suggesting he cheated on the laddeR) - but if he DID, why does that matter? What if Artosis and Tasteless were playing at eachothers houses, and tasteless peaked at artosis screen during a game, that's definitely cheating! But, the game they are playing doesn't matter - it's just for fun. In theory, games on the ladder are for fun since they do not have any bearing on anything... (unless I am mistaken about ladder being important)
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On May 07 2011 07:16 fubusama wrote:Show nested quote +Cruncher has a fanclub thread, a stream thread, many followers, participates in important tournaments (TSL etc) and you're asking who cares if he cheats?
To answer your question, I doubt the mods would care if you stream cheated, or even maphacked on your stream, simply because you are not a progamer, are not a significant player in the SC2 community, and the mods probably have better things to do with their time. (I assume) Clearly I've offended you to take a stab at me. I'm trying to invoke a discussion about it. I don't see why my play/stream goes here when I made no such reference. Regardless... My main point is, it's not like he's cheating in the GSL/TSL/MLG major tournament (and I am not suggesting he cheated on the laddeR) - but if he DID, why does that matter? What if Artosis and Tasteless were playing at eachothers houses, and tasteless peaked at artosis screen during a game, that's definitely cheating! But, the game they are playing doesn't matter - it's just for fun. In theory, games on the ladder are for fun since they do not have any bearing on anything... (unless I am mistaken about ladder being important)
I would say that when it comes to cheating it doesn't just matter what you think is important, but what your opponent thinks is important as well.
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On May 07 2011 07:17 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 07:16 fubusama wrote:Cruncher has a fanclub thread, a stream thread, many followers, participates in important tournaments (TSL etc) and you're asking who cares if he cheats?
To answer your question, I doubt the mods would care if you stream cheated, or even maphacked on your stream, simply because you are not a progamer, are not a significant player in the SC2 community, and the mods probably have better things to do with their time. (I assume) Clearly I've offended you to take a stab at me. I'm trying to invoke a discussion about it. I don't see why my play/stream goes here when I made no such reference. Regardless... My main point is, it's not like he's cheating in the GSL/TSL/MLG major tournament (and I am not suggesting he cheated on the laddeR) - but if he DID, why does that matter? What if Artosis and Tasteless were playing at eachothers houses, and tasteless peaked at artosis screen during a game, that's definitely cheating! But, the game they are playing doesn't matter - it's just for fun. In theory, games on the ladder are for fun since they do not have any bearing on anything... (unless I am mistaken about ladder being important) I would say that when it comes to cheating it doesn't just matter what you think is important, but what your opponent thinks is important as well.
Worth nothing that after the game idra didn't even check the replay, look at his viewer list, or even pause before going to the next game. GSL Code-S player among a billion other accolades lends me to believe he's not too concerned about ladder.
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On May 07 2011 06:43 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 06:41 Swineflew wrote:On May 07 2011 06:28 travis wrote:lol cruncher im amazed at how collected u stay On May 07 2011 06:25 Swineflew wrote:
So I agree, the screenshot is worthless and doesn't matter.
I personally think even stream sniping is bullshit and should be against the rules, but nobody else seems to care. I guess only some methods of cheating are bad. in what way is sniping cheating? I'm not a big fan of using an outside source/third party/whatever to manipulate how the game works. How is it manipulating how the game works. All it does is give him a better chance to get matched up with the person you are sniping. I think it's more than fine and actually a bit funny.
I hope you realize that you just answered your own question.
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Idra fans are starting to act like babies just like Idra is 
Theres no evidence whatsoever that cuncher cheated, and for the matter there isn't even a valid reason to suspect he did other than the fact that he won the game...Are these people the same who are convinced that bin laden is still alive?
Sniping a player is totally within the rules and is actually quite lulzy 
btw at what time does cuncher usually stream? I rarely catch him
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On May 07 2011 08:12 awesomo0O wrote:Idra fans are starting to act like babies just like Idra is Theres no evidence whatsoever that cuncher cheated, and for the matter there isn't even a valid reason to suspect he did other than the fact that he won the game...Are these people the same who are convinced that bin laden is still alive? Sniping a player is totally within the rules and is actually quite lulzy btw at what time does cuncher usually stream? I rarely catch him
It's quite random. I believe though that you can watch VODs of his stream on his Justin.tv page.
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Alright.
Straight up.
I am not an "IdrA" fan boy. I am not anyones fan boy. But everything I do, I like to take seriously, even if its relating to Starcraft.
I have nothing against you, as you can see from my post on your stream forum. I wish you luck in anything you do! :D
I cannot "prove" that you could see his screen or hear him talk. But you were logged into his stream chat during the entire game.
I think, with all the drama between you to (as entertaining as it is :D ) i think it would be very hard to resist not un-muting him.
BUT
The point of my post, where all this is coming from, is the screenshot you added to defend yourself. It made no sense to me when i seen it.
TL;DR
The screen shot you attached showing you watching his stream was taken 40 minutes after the game, thus rendering the screenshot useless, and leaving us back to square one.
I respect you Cruncher, as I respect IdrA. But it was kinda shady.
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Sign me up for sure! Even though i don't think hes the best player in the world, he is definitly better than 90% of people give him credit for! Gogo Cruncher!
Edit: Btw this whole "cheating" thing is absolutely ridiculous. Ive watched quite a few different player streams lately, and EVERYONE stream snipes pretty much. And the only "evidence" there is against cruncher in this case is that he was in the stream chat, and that he won a game.
Being in the stream chat is not indicative of anything other than possible stream sniping. So that only leaves us with winning a game. Afaik cruncher went for a fast nexus, and idra went for some sort of all-in. Even I know that idra has been punishing fast expands with various roach rushes vs P lately, so i can only assume cruncher knows as well. Also, i believe crucher actually scouted that idra had not expanded, and then threw down the extra cannons. This is something that even i would do in respone to Z 1 base play, and i think most people would do the same thing.
Idra fan-boys need to stop listening to everything idra says tbh, most of the time hes just a butt-hurt little kid that is venting his frustration. (I do think idra is both intelligent, and an awesome player, but he is still a kid).
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On May 07 2011 08:34 DaggothReborn wrote:
Alright.
Straight up.
I am not an "IdrA" fan boy. I am not anyones fan boy. But everything I do, I like to take seriously, even if its relating to Starcraft.
I have nothing against you, as you can see from my post on your stream forum. I wish you luck in anything you do! :D
I cannot "prove" that you could see his screen or hear him talk. But you were logged into his stream chat during the entire game.
I think, with all the drama between you to (as entertaining as it is :D ) i think it would be very hard to resist not un-muting him.
BUT
The point of my post, where all this is coming from, is the screenshot you added to defend yourself. It made no sense to me when i seen it.
TL;DR
The screen shot you attached showing you watching his stream was taken 40 minutes after the game, thus rendering the screenshot useless, and leaving us back to square one.
I respect you Cruncher, as I respect IdrA. But it was kinda shady.
I'm curious, does anyone ever read when it comes to drama?
Cruncher did absolutely nothing shady, please read the post where he absolutely obliterated your middle school detective work.
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On May 07 2011 06:16 travis wrote:
So then WTF is your point? That the screenshot doesn't matter? Woopdy shit, no one ever said it did.
Umm...Cruncher did? Lol, Cruncher tried to use this as evidence to prove himself innocent, if you missed that post, I don't know what to tell you, otherwise you failed pretty hard there.
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On May 07 2011 06:25 CrunCher wrote:I'm not sure if you are trolling. The screenshot was taken by someone trying to 'prove I cheated'..look at the desktop, then look at my desktop, same for browser. They posted the ss in another thread and I used it when chill pm'd me( i didn't take any screenshots). the point of the ss is the guy was obviously watching my stream, why wouldn't he take a ss's to prove i was cheating, instead takes one of me doing what 99% of other players do, mute a stream and try to snipe. The replay is vs minigun who I matched after my game against idra. I had the stream open to match idra again(read the chat "cruncher trying to snipe idra again") http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/173492-1v1-protoss-zerg-taldarim-altar-leHeres the replay i also find it funny on idras vod. "hes stream cheating, so im going to roach. oh hes chronoing probes, this might work, and his wall is badly designed. oh hes chronoing out two stalkers hes cheating (then zealots pop out). and we know zealots are good against roaches...not. instead i would of made 3 more cannons instead of zealots. i've played idra what, 3 times in the last few weeks on ladder, and the only time i cheat is when i win and he does a horrible all-in go watch my game against idra in tsl3 game 2. i do almost the same build, except i make a stalker to defend with 2 cannons instead of zealots. guess why? the wall is 4 buildings, not 3. and i do the same build against ret right after. http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/173493-1v1-protoss-zerg-metalopolishint: zealots > zergs who take a early 3rd and defend with 4 lings edit: and you guys can go watch the ipl games, how many games does idra all in vs kiwikaki, 2 times in a bo5? edit2: you guys can also go check my eu account, and see how often zergs do 1 base/2base all ins against me edit3: you guys can also go check out my wc3 history, which i played for 4~ years, 2 which i played on top levels and attended multiple lans, playing top 3 in more than 1.
People all in you because you do a greedy turtle build. People who beat you, are either going to out multitask/macro you pretty easily later in the game, or come at you early while you are playing greedy, but before you start turtling. There is no doubt you are a mediocre pro right now, with better mechanics coupled with abusive strats, you could do a lot better.
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On May 07 2011 08:56 Kvothe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 06:16 travis wrote:
So then WTF is your point? That the screenshot doesn't matter? Woopdy shit, no one ever said it did. Umm...Cruncher did? Lol, Cruncher tried to use this as evidence to prove himself innocent, if you missed that post, I don't know what to tell you, otherwise you failed pretty hard there.
wow, seriously, just wow
how long does this have to go on
lets look at a quick timeline:
bullshit o'clock: some guy posts the screenshot as proof that cruncher was cheating
15 after bullshit: cruncher shows the screenshot and points out that it was muted and he was just trying to snipe idra, so it's definitely not proof he was cheating
... understand now?
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On May 07 2011 08:54 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 08:34 DaggothReborn wrote:
Alright.
Straight up.
I am not an "IdrA" fan boy. I am not anyones fan boy. But everything I do, I like to take seriously, even if its relating to Starcraft.
I have nothing against you, as you can see from my post on your stream forum. I wish you luck in anything you do! :D
I cannot "prove" that you could see his screen or hear him talk. But you were logged into his stream chat during the entire game.
I think, with all the drama between you to (as entertaining as it is :D ) i think it would be very hard to resist not un-muting him.
BUT
The point of my post, where all this is coming from, is the screenshot you added to defend yourself. It made no sense to me when i seen it.
TL;DR
The screen shot you attached showing you watching his stream was taken 40 minutes after the game, thus rendering the screenshot useless, and leaving us back to square one.
I respect you Cruncher, as I respect IdrA. But it was kinda shady. I'm curious, does anyone ever read when it comes to drama? Cruncher did absolutely nothing shady, please read the post where he absolutely obliterated your middle school detective work.
I'm sorry if I have made you mad. I just wanted to prove to everyone that the screen shot he attached merely showed him with IdrAs stream muted nearly an hour after the game ended. It seemed as he played it off as proof that he wasn't watching his stream.
Maybe it's just me. But if I am playing vs IdrA, I wouldn't be logged in his stream during the game.
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On May 07 2011 09:05 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 08:56 Kvothe wrote:On May 07 2011 06:16 travis wrote:
So then WTF is your point? That the screenshot doesn't matter? Woopdy shit, no one ever said it did. Umm...Cruncher did? Lol, Cruncher tried to use this as evidence to prove himself innocent, if you missed that post, I don't know what to tell you, otherwise you failed pretty hard there. GOD, HOW STUPID ARE YOU PEOPLE, SERIOUSLY how long does this have to go on lets look at a quick timeline: bullshit o'clock: some guy posts the screenshot as proof that cruncher was cheating 15 after bullshit: cruncher shows the screenshot and points out that it was muted and he was just trying to snipe idra, so it's definitely not proof he was cheating ... understand now?
Stay classy man...
YOU just agreed with me, Cruncher showed the screenshot and claimed it was proof he wasn't cheating because it was muted 15 minutes later. There is no proof either way, I think the point you are missing is cruncher tried to claim it as proof of his innocence.
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ok kvothe, here is a little lesson in logic
there is a very big difference between saying that something proves innocence, and saying that it doesn't prove guilt.
as for staying classy, do you not realize you are coming here and smearing your bullshit all over the walls of cruncher's fan club? you're making it smell like you, leave please
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On May 07 2011 09:05 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2011 08:56 Kvothe wrote:On May 07 2011 06:16 travis wrote:
So then WTF is your point? That the screenshot doesn't matter? Woopdy shit, no one ever said it did. Umm...Cruncher did? Lol, Cruncher tried to use this as evidence to prove himself innocent, if you missed that post, I don't know what to tell you, otherwise you failed pretty hard there. wow, seriously, just wow how long does this have to go on lets look at a quick timeline: bullshit o'clock: some guy posts the screenshot as proof that cruncher was cheating 15 after bullshit: cruncher shows the screenshot and points out that it was muted and he was just trying to snipe idra, so it's definitely not proof he was cheating ... understand now?
Sorry Travis. I did go back and read my post on page 82 of IdrAs stream thread. I did use the word "cheating". That was an error. I should of said something to the effect that "he was logged in before and after the game".
But I am afraid that you are confused. The picture i posted show him in IdrAs chat immediately after the game ended.
The screenshot that cruncher provided was merely a screenshot took an hour after the game took place.
You cant deny that.
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But all in all, I am done talking about this here. The evidence i have provided is proof, and everyone can infer their own opinions how they wish. If you wish to have an educated discussion where you go into it with an open mind, feel free to message me.
Thanks!
User was temp banned for this post.
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cruncher was saying the image was bullshit and didn't mean anything, just like travis is saying.
I know i've watched his stream before and he's sniped idra before, but he's never cheated. I dont see any reason why he would do anything different this time.
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Let's not insult or drag someone through the mud in their own fan club.
Please keep the cheating discussion/accusation out of this thread. Please keep things civil.
There has already been plenty of moderator activity in this thread, let's not keep the thread going in the same direction.
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