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On August 14 2011 04:41 _vk_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 04:35 Klive5ive wrote:
Huk just outplayed IdrA completely.
He's just so much more refined in all aspects of his play. Again with the "lost = outplayed". I'm not even sure what Huk did that qualifies as playing. Turtled to 200/200 and attacked? No harass, nothing risky or creative, just a nexus-first into a 3-base deathball, while IdrA is playing his ass off. Huk even let zerglings into his main, for god's sake.
No need to attempt to delegitimize Huk's play, he outplayed IdrA that game. IdrA sat back and let him max out despite being ahead on supply and floating minerals for a fairly decent amount of time, in addition, he didn't really make an attempt to be an aggressive at all and engaged poorly at the end. If you want to characterize it as IdrA losing more than Huk winning, that's your call, but this is the IdrA fanclub not the, "Shit on everyone IdrA loses to" club. Huk did outplay IdrA in those games.
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On August 14 2011 04:57 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 04:41 _vk_ wrote:On August 14 2011 04:35 Klive5ive wrote:
Huk just outplayed IdrA completely.
He's just so much more refined in all aspects of his play. Again with the "lost = outplayed". I'm not even sure what Huk did that qualifies as playing. Turtled to 200/200 and attacked? No harass, nothing risky or creative, just a nexus-first into a 3-base deathball, while IdrA is playing his ass off. Huk even let zerglings into his main, for god's sake. No need to attempt to illegitimate Huk's play, he outplayed IdrA that game. IdrA sat back and let him max out despite being ahead on supply and floating minerals for a fairly decent amount of time, in addition, he didn't really make an attempt to be an aggressive at all and engaged poorly at the end. If you want to characterize it as IdrA losing more than Huk winning, that's your call, but this is the IdrA fanclub not the, "Shit on everyone IdrA loses to" club. Huk did outplay IdrA in those games.
you're missing the point which is that Huk played mediocre
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On August 14 2011 04:57 aFF.TEEN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 04:57 Mordiford wrote:On August 14 2011 04:41 _vk_ wrote:On August 14 2011 04:35 Klive5ive wrote:
Huk just outplayed IdrA completely.
He's just so much more refined in all aspects of his play. Again with the "lost = outplayed". I'm not even sure what Huk did that qualifies as playing. Turtled to 200/200 and attacked? No harass, nothing risky or creative, just a nexus-first into a 3-base deathball, while IdrA is playing his ass off. Huk even let zerglings into his main, for god's sake. No need to attempt to illegitimate Huk's play, he outplayed IdrA that game. IdrA sat back and let him max out despite being ahead on supply and floating minerals for a fairly decent amount of time, in addition, he didn't really make an attempt to be an aggressive at all and engaged poorly at the end. If you want to characterize it as IdrA losing more than Huk winning, that's your call, but this is the IdrA fanclub not the, "Shit on everyone IdrA loses to" club. Huk did outplay IdrA in those games. you're missing the point which is that Huk played mediocre
Then IdrA played even worse, so the statement holds true.
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On August 14 2011 04:58 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 04:57 aFF.TEEN wrote:On August 14 2011 04:57 Mordiford wrote:On August 14 2011 04:41 _vk_ wrote:On August 14 2011 04:35 Klive5ive wrote:
Huk just outplayed IdrA completely.
He's just so much more refined in all aspects of his play. Again with the "lost = outplayed". I'm not even sure what Huk did that qualifies as playing. Turtled to 200/200 and attacked? No harass, nothing risky or creative, just a nexus-first into a 3-base deathball, while IdrA is playing his ass off. Huk even let zerglings into his main, for god's sake. No need to attempt to illegitimate Huk's play, he outplayed IdrA that game. IdrA sat back and let him max out despite being ahead on supply and floating minerals for a fairly decent amount of time, in addition, he didn't really make an attempt to be an aggressive at all and engaged poorly at the end. If you want to characterize it as IdrA losing more than Huk winning, that's your call, but this is the IdrA fanclub not the, "Shit on everyone IdrA loses to" club. Huk did outplay IdrA in those games. you're missing the point which is that Huk played mediocre Then IdrA played even worse, so the statement holds true.
learn to read...
we dont care about your statement cuz you're missing the point
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I like the "new" Idra more mannerd, less rage..
Idra FIGHTING ^_^/
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On August 14 2011 04:59 aFF.TEEN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 04:58 Mordiford wrote:On August 14 2011 04:57 aFF.TEEN wrote:On August 14 2011 04:57 Mordiford wrote:On August 14 2011 04:41 _vk_ wrote:On August 14 2011 04:35 Klive5ive wrote:
Huk just outplayed IdrA completely.
He's just so much more refined in all aspects of his play. Again with the "lost = outplayed". I'm not even sure what Huk did that qualifies as playing. Turtled to 200/200 and attacked? No harass, nothing risky or creative, just a nexus-first into a 3-base deathball, while IdrA is playing his ass off. Huk even let zerglings into his main, for god's sake. No need to attempt to illegitimate Huk's play, he outplayed IdrA that game. IdrA sat back and let him max out despite being ahead on supply and floating minerals for a fairly decent amount of time, in addition, he didn't really make an attempt to be an aggressive at all and engaged poorly at the end. If you want to characterize it as IdrA losing more than Huk winning, that's your call, but this is the IdrA fanclub not the, "Shit on everyone IdrA loses to" club. Huk did outplay IdrA in those games. you're missing the point which is that Huk played mediocre Then IdrA played even worse, so the statement holds true. learn to read... we dont care about your statement cuz you're missing the point
Read what? Where did my reading comprehension fail?
Huk played mediocre to you? Sure, I guess... go ahead, that's fine. He beat IdrA while playing mediocre, that's pretty unfortunate in regards to IdrA's play.
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On August 14 2011 04:57 aFF.TEEN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 04:57 Mordiford wrote:On August 14 2011 04:41 _vk_ wrote:On August 14 2011 04:35 Klive5ive wrote:
Huk just outplayed IdrA completely.
He's just so much more refined in all aspects of his play. Again with the "lost = outplayed". I'm not even sure what Huk did that qualifies as playing. Turtled to 200/200 and attacked? No harass, nothing risky or creative, just a nexus-first into a 3-base deathball, while IdrA is playing his ass off. Huk even let zerglings into his main, for god's sake. No need to attempt to illegitimate Huk's play, he outplayed IdrA that game. IdrA sat back and let him max out despite being ahead on supply and floating minerals for a fairly decent amount of time, in addition, he didn't really make an attempt to be an aggressive at all and engaged poorly at the end. If you want to characterize it as IdrA losing more than Huk winning, that's your call, but this is the IdrA fanclub not the, "Shit on everyone IdrA loses to" club. Huk did outplay IdrA in those games. you're missing the point which is that Huk played mediocre
Compared to who?
Turns out a lot of protoss are playing mediocre right now.
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On August 14 2011 05:01 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 04:59 aFF.TEEN wrote:On August 14 2011 04:58 Mordiford wrote:On August 14 2011 04:57 aFF.TEEN wrote:On August 14 2011 04:57 Mordiford wrote:On August 14 2011 04:41 _vk_ wrote:On August 14 2011 04:35 Klive5ive wrote:
Huk just outplayed IdrA completely.
He's just so much more refined in all aspects of his play. Again with the "lost = outplayed". I'm not even sure what Huk did that qualifies as playing. Turtled to 200/200 and attacked? No harass, nothing risky or creative, just a nexus-first into a 3-base deathball, while IdrA is playing his ass off. Huk even let zerglings into his main, for god's sake. No need to attempt to illegitimate Huk's play, he outplayed IdrA that game. IdrA sat back and let him max out despite being ahead on supply and floating minerals for a fairly decent amount of time, in addition, he didn't really make an attempt to be an aggressive at all and engaged poorly at the end. If you want to characterize it as IdrA losing more than Huk winning, that's your call, but this is the IdrA fanclub not the, "Shit on everyone IdrA loses to" club. Huk did outplay IdrA in those games. you're missing the point which is that Huk played mediocre Then IdrA played even worse, so the statement holds true. learn to read... we dont care about your statement cuz you're missing the point Read what? Where did my reading comprehension fail? Huk played mediocre, sure... go ahead, that's fine. He beat IdrA while playing mediocre, that's pretty unfortunate in regards to IdrA's play.
what you're failing to realize is that we dont care about that aspect. we just wanna bash Huk for being the scrub he is
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On August 14 2011 05:01 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 04:57 aFF.TEEN wrote:On August 14 2011 04:57 Mordiford wrote:On August 14 2011 04:41 _vk_ wrote:On August 14 2011 04:35 Klive5ive wrote:
Huk just outplayed IdrA completely.
He's just so much more refined in all aspects of his play. Again with the "lost = outplayed". I'm not even sure what Huk did that qualifies as playing. Turtled to 200/200 and attacked? No harass, nothing risky or creative, just a nexus-first into a 3-base deathball, while IdrA is playing his ass off. Huk even let zerglings into his main, for god's sake. No need to attempt to illegitimate Huk's play, he outplayed IdrA that game. IdrA sat back and let him max out despite being ahead on supply and floating minerals for a fairly decent amount of time, in addition, he didn't really make an attempt to be an aggressive at all and engaged poorly at the end. If you want to characterize it as IdrA losing more than Huk winning, that's your call, but this is the IdrA fanclub not the, "Shit on everyone IdrA loses to" club. Huk did outplay IdrA in those games. you're missing the point which is that Huk played mediocre Compared to who? Turns out a lot of protoss are playing mediocre right now.
How is doing an unrefined build with decent execution not playing mediocre?
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On August 14 2011 05:02 aFF.TEEN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 05:01 Mordiford wrote:On August 14 2011 04:59 aFF.TEEN wrote:On August 14 2011 04:58 Mordiford wrote:On August 14 2011 04:57 aFF.TEEN wrote:On August 14 2011 04:57 Mordiford wrote:On August 14 2011 04:41 _vk_ wrote:On August 14 2011 04:35 Klive5ive wrote:
Huk just outplayed IdrA completely.
He's just so much more refined in all aspects of his play. Again with the "lost = outplayed". I'm not even sure what Huk did that qualifies as playing. Turtled to 200/200 and attacked? No harass, nothing risky or creative, just a nexus-first into a 3-base deathball, while IdrA is playing his ass off. Huk even let zerglings into his main, for god's sake. No need to attempt to illegitimate Huk's play, he outplayed IdrA that game. IdrA sat back and let him max out despite being ahead on supply and floating minerals for a fairly decent amount of time, in addition, he didn't really make an attempt to be an aggressive at all and engaged poorly at the end. If you want to characterize it as IdrA losing more than Huk winning, that's your call, but this is the IdrA fanclub not the, "Shit on everyone IdrA loses to" club. Huk did outplay IdrA in those games. you're missing the point which is that Huk played mediocre Then IdrA played even worse, so the statement holds true. learn to read... we dont care about your statement cuz you're missing the point Read what? Where did my reading comprehension fail? Huk played mediocre, sure... go ahead, that's fine. He beat IdrA while playing mediocre, that's pretty unfortunate in regards to IdrA's play. what you're failing to realize is that we dont care about that aspect. we just wanna bash Huk for being the scrub he is
speak for yourself please
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On August 14 2011 05:02 aFF.TEEN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 05:01 Mordiford wrote:On August 14 2011 04:59 aFF.TEEN wrote:On August 14 2011 04:58 Mordiford wrote:On August 14 2011 04:57 aFF.TEEN wrote:On August 14 2011 04:57 Mordiford wrote:On August 14 2011 04:41 _vk_ wrote:On August 14 2011 04:35 Klive5ive wrote:
Huk just outplayed IdrA completely.
He's just so much more refined in all aspects of his play. Again with the "lost = outplayed". I'm not even sure what Huk did that qualifies as playing. Turtled to 200/200 and attacked? No harass, nothing risky or creative, just a nexus-first into a 3-base deathball, while IdrA is playing his ass off. Huk even let zerglings into his main, for god's sake. No need to attempt to illegitimate Huk's play, he outplayed IdrA that game. IdrA sat back and let him max out despite being ahead on supply and floating minerals for a fairly decent amount of time, in addition, he didn't really make an attempt to be an aggressive at all and engaged poorly at the end. If you want to characterize it as IdrA losing more than Huk winning, that's your call, but this is the IdrA fanclub not the, "Shit on everyone IdrA loses to" club. Huk did outplay IdrA in those games. you're missing the point which is that Huk played mediocre Then IdrA played even worse, so the statement holds true. learn to read... we dont care about your statement cuz you're missing the point Read what? Where did my reading comprehension fail? Huk played mediocre, sure... go ahead, that's fine. He beat IdrA while playing mediocre, that's pretty unfortunate in regards to IdrA's play. what you're failing to realize is that we dont care about that aspect. we just wanna bash Huk for being the scrub he is
You have to be trolling me.
This is the IdrA fanclub, be positive about IdrA all you want, no need to shit on other players. Once you do that, their fans will defend them. You'd also be surprised to learn that some people are fans of more than one player so don't assume that everyone IdrA loses to needs to be bashed.
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On August 14 2011 04:59 aFF.TEEN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 04:58 Mordiford wrote:On August 14 2011 04:57 aFF.TEEN wrote:On August 14 2011 04:57 Mordiford wrote:On August 14 2011 04:41 _vk_ wrote:On August 14 2011 04:35 Klive5ive wrote:
Huk just outplayed IdrA completely.
He's just so much more refined in all aspects of his play. Again with the "lost = outplayed". I'm not even sure what Huk did that qualifies as playing. Turtled to 200/200 and attacked? No harass, nothing risky or creative, just a nexus-first into a 3-base deathball, while IdrA is playing his ass off. Huk even let zerglings into his main, for god's sake. No need to attempt to illegitimate Huk's play, he outplayed IdrA that game. IdrA sat back and let him max out despite being ahead on supply and floating minerals for a fairly decent amount of time, in addition, he didn't really make an attempt to be an aggressive at all and engaged poorly at the end. If you want to characterize it as IdrA losing more than Huk winning, that's your call, but this is the IdrA fanclub not the, "Shit on everyone IdrA loses to" club. Huk did outplay IdrA in those games. you're missing the point which is that Huk played mediocre Then IdrA played even worse, so the statement holds true. learn to read... we dont care about your statement cuz you're missing the point
game 1 - both players played awful but huk's control and timing was good and got him the win
game 2 - from a zerg pov i can see why you are pissed. idra did macro his ass off and tried to stay at an advantage the entire game while huk turtled to 200/200 and won, but you're missing some key points from a protoss pov
1: you can't pressure without blink (which huk got really late) against ling/infestor, period. huk did the right thing by turtling vs ling/infestor because one wrong positioning would have lost him the game.
2: you don't see the subtle things that huk did which allowed him to win, such as his PERFECT positioning in the battle at the very end. blinked in and sniped 2 broodlords, then had his colossus sit back while his stalkers blinked onto the ledge to prevent infestors from doing much damage. if huk did what tt1 did (1 control group and moved across map in ball) he would have gotten demolished by the ~15 infestors that idra had, but his unit management was insanely good and THAT won him the game, not turtling to 200 food (same thing that tt1 did on metalopolis).
it's actually a lot harder than it looks, and is actually harder than anything zerg has to do unit control-wise vs protoss.
edit: wow i wasted my time typing all of that up just to realize you're a troll, waste of time 
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On August 14 2011 05:03 MonsieurGrimm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 05:02 aFF.TEEN wrote:On August 14 2011 05:01 Mordiford wrote:On August 14 2011 04:59 aFF.TEEN wrote:On August 14 2011 04:58 Mordiford wrote:On August 14 2011 04:57 aFF.TEEN wrote:On August 14 2011 04:57 Mordiford wrote:On August 14 2011 04:41 _vk_ wrote:On August 14 2011 04:35 Klive5ive wrote:
Huk just outplayed IdrA completely.
He's just so much more refined in all aspects of his play. Again with the "lost = outplayed". I'm not even sure what Huk did that qualifies as playing. Turtled to 200/200 and attacked? No harass, nothing risky or creative, just a nexus-first into a 3-base deathball, while IdrA is playing his ass off. Huk even let zerglings into his main, for god's sake. No need to attempt to illegitimate Huk's play, he outplayed IdrA that game. IdrA sat back and let him max out despite being ahead on supply and floating minerals for a fairly decent amount of time, in addition, he didn't really make an attempt to be an aggressive at all and engaged poorly at the end. If you want to characterize it as IdrA losing more than Huk winning, that's your call, but this is the IdrA fanclub not the, "Shit on everyone IdrA loses to" club. Huk did outplay IdrA in those games. you're missing the point which is that Huk played mediocre Then IdrA played even worse, so the statement holds true. learn to read... we dont care about your statement cuz you're missing the point Read what? Where did my reading comprehension fail? Huk played mediocre, sure... go ahead, that's fine. He beat IdrA while playing mediocre, that's pretty unfortunate in regards to IdrA's play. what you're failing to realize is that we dont care about that aspect. we just wanna bash Huk for being the scrub he is speak for yourself please
Im obviously not speaking on your behalf. I am merely speaking on behalf of everyone not retarded.
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On August 14 2011 05:05 aFF.TEEN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 05:03 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On August 14 2011 05:02 aFF.TEEN wrote:On August 14 2011 05:01 Mordiford wrote:On August 14 2011 04:59 aFF.TEEN wrote:On August 14 2011 04:58 Mordiford wrote:On August 14 2011 04:57 aFF.TEEN wrote:On August 14 2011 04:57 Mordiford wrote:On August 14 2011 04:41 _vk_ wrote:On August 14 2011 04:35 Klive5ive wrote:
Huk just outplayed IdrA completely.
He's just so much more refined in all aspects of his play. Again with the "lost = outplayed". I'm not even sure what Huk did that qualifies as playing. Turtled to 200/200 and attacked? No harass, nothing risky or creative, just a nexus-first into a 3-base deathball, while IdrA is playing his ass off. Huk even let zerglings into his main, for god's sake. No need to attempt to illegitimate Huk's play, he outplayed IdrA that game. IdrA sat back and let him max out despite being ahead on supply and floating minerals for a fairly decent amount of time, in addition, he didn't really make an attempt to be an aggressive at all and engaged poorly at the end. If you want to characterize it as IdrA losing more than Huk winning, that's your call, but this is the IdrA fanclub not the, "Shit on everyone IdrA loses to" club. Huk did outplay IdrA in those games. you're missing the point which is that Huk played mediocre Then IdrA played even worse, so the statement holds true. learn to read... we dont care about your statement cuz you're missing the point Read what? Where did my reading comprehension fail? Huk played mediocre, sure... go ahead, that's fine. He beat IdrA while playing mediocre, that's pretty unfortunate in regards to IdrA's play. what you're failing to realize is that we dont care about that aspect. we just wanna bash Huk for being the scrub he is speak for yourself please Im obviously not speaking on your behalf. I am merely speaking on behalf of everyone not retarded.
people like you are what give idra fans a bad name >____<
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On August 14 2011 04:57 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 04:41 _vk_ wrote:On August 14 2011 04:35 Klive5ive wrote:
Huk just outplayed IdrA completely.
He's just so much more refined in all aspects of his play. Again with the "lost = outplayed". I'm not even sure what Huk did that qualifies as playing. Turtled to 200/200 and attacked? No harass, nothing risky or creative, just a nexus-first into a 3-base deathball, while IdrA is playing his ass off. Huk even let zerglings into his main, for god's sake. No need to attempt to delegitimize Huk's play, he outplayed IdrA that game. IdrA sat back and let him max out despite being ahead on supply and floating minerals for a fairly decent amount of time, in addition, he didn't really make an attempt to be an aggressive at all and engaged poorly at the end. If you want to characterize it as IdrA losing more than Huk winning, that's your call, but this is the IdrA fanclub not the, "Shit on everyone IdrA loses to" club. Huk did outplay IdrA in those games.
Huk floated minerals most of the game too, and huk didn't really make an attempt to be agressive at all so in that sense idra outplayed huk and even if idra had a much better engagement he would have lost almost as badly because that's just the way zvp is
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On August 13 2011 20:39 Facedriller wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 20:31 KinQuh wrote:On August 13 2011 20:22 enecateReAP wrote:On August 13 2011 20:06 KinQuh wrote:On August 13 2011 20:00 OrchidThief wrote:
Wow people really have high expectations. Not only is ZvZ quite volatile, the whole game is quite volatile, anyone can win BO3's against almost anyone. Being a great player does not mean you win 100% of your games, it means you're winning against good players more than 50% (i.e. 52% or 55%). People need to chill out, and not post stupid end of the world posts everytime IdrA loses a BO3 in some tournament.
He's still better than Nerchio, Ret and Stephano. (And even if he isn't, then who cares, this is his fanclub not theirs, we're entitled to be as blind and ignorant in our fanboy'ism as we like).
Except Ret Nerchio and Stephano ARE better than him Uhm, they're actually not, they're not even close LOL Except all of them are doing better than IdrA LOL. That's just temporarily. IdrA is the better player, overall.
Yea i mean because losing makes you good right?
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On August 14 2011 04:40 TUski wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 04:35 Klive5ive wrote:
Huk just outplayed IdrA completely.
He's just so much more refined in all aspects of his play. One terrible engagement = outplayed. Gtfo retard.
You can be an IdrA fan and say Huk is more refined. I can be a fan of a no name player and still say MC is more refined that him. I think Huk did outplay IdrA, but he's also training in korea, so he probably should have.
People are saying Huk turtled, but he didn't. He played defensive, but he by no means turtled, he had 5 bases at the end. Also, IdrA didn't have enough larva stored and was floating 5k at the end of the engagement after he had already spent his larva. Huk, on the other hand, had like 20 gates to replenish his army, and was remaxed immediately after the battle.
I know this may blow some of yall's minds, but you can be a fan of someone, want them to win, be happy when they win, be sad when they lose, root for them no matter the occasion or what they do, and watch every single one of their games, and not be a blind fanboy and make excuses when they lose. The latter type of fan is what annoys people and starts arguments.
So, like I said, Idra got outplayed in both of these games, there was no imbalance issue. But Huk (a code S player himself) is training in Korea with players like MC, Nada, Top, Supernova, Ensnare, and Zenio (just to mention OGS's six! other code S members) while Idra is living in the EG house, where the second best player is incontrol, who is arguably not even a top NA pro. Idra knew when he came back to America that he was taking a hit in terms of practice capability and we've been seeing this the last few months, where his games just haven't had the crispness to them.
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On August 14 2011 05:05 skrotcyk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 04:57 Mordiford wrote:On August 14 2011 04:41 _vk_ wrote:On August 14 2011 04:35 Klive5ive wrote:
Huk just outplayed IdrA completely.
He's just so much more refined in all aspects of his play. Again with the "lost = outplayed". I'm not even sure what Huk did that qualifies as playing. Turtled to 200/200 and attacked? No harass, nothing risky or creative, just a nexus-first into a 3-base deathball, while IdrA is playing his ass off. Huk even let zerglings into his main, for god's sake. No need to attempt to delegitimize Huk's play, he outplayed IdrA that game. IdrA sat back and let him max out despite being ahead on supply and floating minerals for a fairly decent amount of time, in addition, he didn't really make an attempt to be an aggressive at all and engaged poorly at the end. If you want to characterize it as IdrA losing more than Huk winning, that's your call, but this is the IdrA fanclub not the, "Shit on everyone IdrA loses to" club. Huk did outplay IdrA in those games. Huk floated minerals most of the game too, and huk didn't really make an attempt to be agressive at all so in that sense idra outplayed huk and even if idra had a much better engagement he would have lost almost as badly because that's just the way zvp is
They were both floating because they were max'd, that wasn't what I was focusing on, Huk was also investing into a large amount of upgrades and chronoboosting them, in addition he had a strong army composition with a ton of additional abilities researched and storm on the way. Roaches are such a strong unit to pressure with it's silly to get them and then sit back, yes the way ZvP is, if you let the Protoss macro up and then engage badly you will lose, but that's not necessarily imbalance. IdrA and Zergs in general have the tools to deal with it, he just didn't utilize them well in those games.
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On August 14 2011 04:57 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 04:41 _vk_ wrote:On August 14 2011 04:35 Klive5ive wrote:
Huk just outplayed IdrA completely.
He's just so much more refined in all aspects of his play. Again with the "lost = outplayed". I'm not even sure what Huk did that qualifies as playing. Turtled to 200/200 and attacked? No harass, nothing risky or creative, just a nexus-first into a 3-base deathball, while IdrA is playing his ass off. Huk even let zerglings into his main, for god's sake. No need to attempt to illegitimate Huk's play, he outplayed IdrA that game. IdrA sat back and let him max out despite being ahead on supply and floating minerals for a fairly decent amount of time, in addition, he didn't really make an attempt to be an aggressive at all and engaged poorly at the end. If you want to characterize it as IdrA losing more than Huk winning, that's your call, but this is the IdrA fanclub not the, "Shit on everyone IdrA loses to" club. Huk did outplay IdrA in those games.
This is a decent argument, but a maxed zerg T2 army vs 150/200 worth of Colossus/Stalker/Sentry is far from an obvious win for a zerg.
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On August 14 2011 05:04 Legend` wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2011 04:59 aFF.TEEN wrote:On August 14 2011 04:58 Mordiford wrote:On August 14 2011 04:57 aFF.TEEN wrote:On August 14 2011 04:57 Mordiford wrote:On August 14 2011 04:41 _vk_ wrote:On August 14 2011 04:35 Klive5ive wrote:
Huk just outplayed IdrA completely.
He's just so much more refined in all aspects of his play. Again with the "lost = outplayed". I'm not even sure what Huk did that qualifies as playing. Turtled to 200/200 and attacked? No harass, nothing risky or creative, just a nexus-first into a 3-base deathball, while IdrA is playing his ass off. Huk even let zerglings into his main, for god's sake. No need to attempt to illegitimate Huk's play, he outplayed IdrA that game. IdrA sat back and let him max out despite being ahead on supply and floating minerals for a fairly decent amount of time, in addition, he didn't really make an attempt to be an aggressive at all and engaged poorly at the end. If you want to characterize it as IdrA losing more than Huk winning, that's your call, but this is the IdrA fanclub not the, "Shit on everyone IdrA loses to" club. Huk did outplay IdrA in those games. you're missing the point which is that Huk played mediocre Then IdrA played even worse, so the statement holds true. learn to read... we dont care about your statement cuz you're missing the point game 1 - both players played awful but huk's control and timing was good and got him the win game 2 - from a zerg pov i can see why you are pissed. idra did macro his ass off and tried to stay at an advantage the entire game while huk turtled to 200/200 and won, but you're missing some key points from a protoss pov 1: you can't pressure without blink (which huk got really late) against ling/infestor, period. huk did the right thing by turtling vs ling/infestor because one wrong positioning would have lost him the game. 2: you don't see the subtle things that huk did which allowed him to win, such as his PERFECT positioning in the battle at the very end. blinked in and sniped 2 broodlords, then had his colossus sit back while his stalkers blinked onto the ledge to prevent infestors from doing much damage. if huk did what tt1 did (1 control group and moved across map in ball) he would have gotten demolished by the ~15 infestors that idra had, but his unit management was insanely good and THAT won him the game, not turtling to 200 food (same thing that tt1 did on metalopolis). it's actually a lot harder than it looks, and is actually harder than anything zerg has to do unit control-wise vs protoss. edit: wow i wasted my time typing all of that up just to realize you're a troll, waste of time
in the last engagement in game 2 all huk did was pretty much 1 blink up on the ledge and killing all his broodlords, dunno how that gives you insanely good unit management to click on the button "B"
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