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On August 13 2011 20:00 OrchidThief wrote:
Wow people really have high expectations. Not only is ZvZ quite volatile, the whole game is quite volatile, anyone can win BO3's against almost anyone. Being a great player does not mean you win 100% of your games, it means you're winning against good players more than 50% (i.e. 52% or 55%). People need to chill out, and not post stupid end of the world posts everytime IdrA loses a BO3 in some tournament.
He's still better than Nerchio, Ret and Stephano. (And even if he isn't, then who cares, this is his fanclub not theirs, we're entitled to be as blind and ignorant in our fanboy'ism as we like).
Except Ret Nerchio and Stephano ARE better than him 
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Sheths ZvZ was very bad in the past, if i had to bet on a zvz and sheth was the opponent i always took the other guy and won. nonetheless he practiced that alot and deserves high credit for this, he even had better injects of of 3 base then idra. im still gonna root for both
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On August 13 2011 15:19 trikshun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 15:16 Warrior Madness wrote:On August 13 2011 11:48 PandaMonk wrote:
IdrA has the capability to be the one of the best zergs in the world, atm he is the best foreigner and if not then the best foreign zerg, he had a little bit of a slip vs sheth, but hey, dont over look that he was the highest placing foreign zerg at mlg, and the best foreigner period at the mlg colombus, so lets look over these little missteps and look forward to the next mlg where he will pwn with his new practice regimen! Even though he is one of the best he still has the slight... mental problem? But skill wise, he is one of the best, idra fighting! Yeah there's no way he's the best foreigner anymore. He's not even the best zerg foreigner. There's Dimaga, Sen, Stephano, Ret and Nerchio who have recently shown better results, skill and better games than idra against some tough opponents. The only person better then him in that group is Sen... If iEG sent idra to assembly im sure he would've won
Uh, considering he has never won a tournament like that in the past, what makes you say that? The only one he's won was that old MLG before koreans/europeans started attending.
Idra was great in korea and a good while after that but now I think he's slumping. Guessing he's not as motivated what with gf, training etc.
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On August 13 2011 19:35 Jakkerr wrote:
I don't actually think Idra got worse as a player, I think the other players just got a lot better.
When I watch Idra playing I allways have the idea he is still using 5-6 months old strategies that everyone knows how too counter.
He has to freshen up his builds, then he will have a shot at being the best again.
DRG still uses muta ling/bling and standard strats
the builds idra are using is solid as always in my opinion.
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On August 13 2011 20:14 userstupidname wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 19:35 Jakkerr wrote:
I don't actually think Idra got worse as a player, I think the other players just got a lot better.
When I watch Idra playing I allways have the idea he is still using 5-6 months old strategies that everyone knows how too counter.
He has to freshen up his builds, then he will have a shot at being the best again. DRG still uses muta ling/bling and standard strats the builds idra are using is solid as always in my opinion.
Theres nothing wrong with Mutalingbling but idra using roach/Hydra/corruptor zvp is just stupid.
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On August 13 2011 20:06 KinQuh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 20:00 OrchidThief wrote:
Wow people really have high expectations. Not only is ZvZ quite volatile, the whole game is quite volatile, anyone can win BO3's against almost anyone. Being a great player does not mean you win 100% of your games, it means you're winning against good players more than 50% (i.e. 52% or 55%). People need to chill out, and not post stupid end of the world posts everytime IdrA loses a BO3 in some tournament.
He's still better than Nerchio, Ret and Stephano. (And even if he isn't, then who cares, this is his fanclub not theirs, we're entitled to be as blind and ignorant in our fanboy'ism as we like).
Except Ret Nerchio and Stephano ARE better than him
Uhm, they're actually not, they're not even close LOL
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On August 13 2011 20:20 KinQuh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 20:14 userstupidname wrote:On August 13 2011 19:35 Jakkerr wrote:
I don't actually think Idra got worse as a player, I think the other players just got a lot better.
When I watch Idra playing I allways have the idea he is still using 5-6 months old strategies that everyone knows how too counter.
He has to freshen up his builds, then he will have a shot at being the best again. DRG still uses muta ling/bling and standard strats the builds idra are using is solid as always in my opinion. Theres nothing wrong with Mutalingbling but idra using roach/Hydra/corruptor zvp is just stupid.
i wouldnt say stupid but there are clearly more effective compositions for zvp thats right  .
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On August 13 2011 20:22 enecateReAP wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 20:06 KinQuh wrote:On August 13 2011 20:00 OrchidThief wrote:
Wow people really have high expectations. Not only is ZvZ quite volatile, the whole game is quite volatile, anyone can win BO3's against almost anyone. Being a great player does not mean you win 100% of your games, it means you're winning against good players more than 50% (i.e. 52% or 55%). People need to chill out, and not post stupid end of the world posts everytime IdrA loses a BO3 in some tournament.
He's still better than Nerchio, Ret and Stephano. (And even if he isn't, then who cares, this is his fanclub not theirs, we're entitled to be as blind and ignorant in our fanboy'ism as we like).
Except Ret Nerchio and Stephano ARE better than him Uhm, they're actually not, they're not even close LOL
Except all of them are doing better than IdrA LOL.
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On August 13 2011 20:06 KinQuh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 20:00 OrchidThief wrote:
Wow people really have high expectations. Not only is ZvZ quite volatile, the whole game is quite volatile, anyone can win BO3's against almost anyone. Being a great player does not mean you win 100% of your games, it means you're winning against good players more than 50% (i.e. 52% or 55%). People need to chill out, and not post stupid end of the world posts everytime IdrA loses a BO3 in some tournament.
He's still better than Nerchio, Ret and Stephano. (And even if he isn't, then who cares, this is his fanclub not theirs, we're entitled to be as blind and ignorant in our fanboy'ism as we like).
Except Ret Nerchio and Stephano ARE better than him
Except they're not. Unless you have some statistically sound proof those are just words. It's just an opinion of yours. Did any of those make it far in korea? (Ret even tried and never made it past the qualifiers iirc.) Nerchio and Stephano has won a bunch of small tournaments, and aren't anywhere near as accomplished as IdrA.
On August 13 2011 20:12 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 15:19 trikshun wrote:On August 13 2011 15:16 Warrior Madness wrote:On August 13 2011 11:48 PandaMonk wrote:
IdrA has the capability to be the one of the best zergs in the world, atm he is the best foreigner and if not then the best foreign zerg, he had a little bit of a slip vs sheth, but hey, dont over look that he was the highest placing foreign zerg at mlg, and the best foreigner period at the mlg colombus, so lets look over these little missteps and look forward to the next mlg where he will pwn with his new practice regimen! Even though he is one of the best he still has the slight... mental problem? But skill wise, he is one of the best, idra fighting! Yeah there's no way he's the best foreigner anymore. He's not even the best zerg foreigner. There's Dimaga, Sen, Stephano, Ret and Nerchio who have recently shown better results, skill and better games than idra against some tough opponents. The only person better then him in that group is Sen... If iEG sent idra to assembly im sure he would've won Uh, considering he has never won a tournament like that in the past, what makes you say that? The only one he's won was that old MLG before koreans/europeans started attending. Idra was great in korea and a good while after that but now I think he's slumping. Guessing he's not as motivated what with gf, training etc.
Well he won IPL season one, also he's pretty consistently finished higher against korean players than most of those. (Besides SEn). Recently doesn't mean much, it wasn't that long ago that IdrA finished fourth in MLG behind koreans. Winning tournaments isn't even a good way of comparing results, because you have to examine which players they played to win it.
I'm pretty sure he's just as motivated as he was before, and I really doubt his GF is the reason he wouldn't be motivated anyway. The teamhouse thing has them training harder than ever and the koreans coming to MLG's means it's more prestigious than ever to do well.
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My statistically sound proof is that Nerchio and Stephano both are better in zvz zvp and zvt
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On August 13 2011 20:22 enecateReAP wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 20:06 KinQuh wrote:On August 13 2011 20:00 OrchidThief wrote:
Wow people really have high expectations. Not only is ZvZ quite volatile, the whole game is quite volatile, anyone can win BO3's against almost anyone. Being a great player does not mean you win 100% of your games, it means you're winning against good players more than 50% (i.e. 52% or 55%). People need to chill out, and not post stupid end of the world posts everytime IdrA loses a BO3 in some tournament.
He's still better than Nerchio, Ret and Stephano. (And even if he isn't, then who cares, this is his fanclub not theirs, we're entitled to be as blind and ignorant in our fanboy'ism as we like).
Except Ret Nerchio and Stephano ARE better than him Uhm, they're actually not, they're not even close LOL
Ret, Nerchio and Stephano are better. That's a fact. EU players in general doing better than NA players. Maybe it has something to do with the much higher competition on the EU ladder.
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On August 13 2011 20:35 obsKura wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 20:22 enecateReAP wrote:On August 13 2011 20:06 KinQuh wrote:On August 13 2011 20:00 OrchidThief wrote:
Wow people really have high expectations. Not only is ZvZ quite volatile, the whole game is quite volatile, anyone can win BO3's against almost anyone. Being a great player does not mean you win 100% of your games, it means you're winning against good players more than 50% (i.e. 52% or 55%). People need to chill out, and not post stupid end of the world posts everytime IdrA loses a BO3 in some tournament.
He's still better than Nerchio, Ret and Stephano. (And even if he isn't, then who cares, this is his fanclub not theirs, we're entitled to be as blind and ignorant in our fanboy'ism as we like).
Except Ret Nerchio and Stephano ARE better than him Uhm, they're actually not, they're not even close LOL Ret, Nerchio and Stephano are better. That's a fact. EU players in general doing better than NA players. Maybe it has something to do with the much higher competition on the EU ladder.
Hah I love the "my dad is stronger than your dad" discussions. EU ladder.. Ladder means nothing.
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On August 13 2011 20:31 KinQuh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 20:22 enecateReAP wrote:On August 13 2011 20:06 KinQuh wrote:On August 13 2011 20:00 OrchidThief wrote:
Wow people really have high expectations. Not only is ZvZ quite volatile, the whole game is quite volatile, anyone can win BO3's against almost anyone. Being a great player does not mean you win 100% of your games, it means you're winning against good players more than 50% (i.e. 52% or 55%). People need to chill out, and not post stupid end of the world posts everytime IdrA loses a BO3 in some tournament.
He's still better than Nerchio, Ret and Stephano. (And even if he isn't, then who cares, this is his fanclub not theirs, we're entitled to be as blind and ignorant in our fanboy'ism as we like).
Except Ret Nerchio and Stephano ARE better than him Uhm, they're actually not, they're not even close LOL Except all of them are doing better than IdrA LOL.
That's just temporarily.
IdrA is the better player, overall.
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On August 13 2011 20:22 enecateReAP wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 20:06 KinQuh wrote:On August 13 2011 20:00 OrchidThief wrote:
Wow people really have high expectations. Not only is ZvZ quite volatile, the whole game is quite volatile, anyone can win BO3's against almost anyone. Being a great player does not mean you win 100% of your games, it means you're winning against good players more than 50% (i.e. 52% or 55%). People need to chill out, and not post stupid end of the world posts everytime IdrA loses a BO3 in some tournament.
He's still better than Nerchio, Ret and Stephano. (And even if he isn't, then who cares, this is his fanclub not theirs, we're entitled to be as blind and ignorant in our fanboy'ism as we like).
Except Ret Nerchio and Stephano ARE better than him Uhm, they're actually not, they're not even close LOL
With the exception of ret. He's now in better shape than IdrA
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Idra is a great player and one of the best foreign zergs in the world. Everyone has their moments of bad performances and Idra is in that at the moment, wheter it's because of metagame shifts or practice we can only speculate. Ret is up at Idra's class right now I don't know who is overall the better player though. Sheth beat Idra quite easily in a ZvZ but Idra 4-0'd Sheth in a showmatch about two months ago or so. You might argue that it was a long time ago but Day9 is saying that MC is still one of the best protosses in the world even though he's not doing that well at the moment.
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On August 13 2011 20:39 johanhar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 20:35 obsKura wrote:On August 13 2011 20:22 enecateReAP wrote:On August 13 2011 20:06 KinQuh wrote:On August 13 2011 20:00 OrchidThief wrote:
Wow people really have high expectations. Not only is ZvZ quite volatile, the whole game is quite volatile, anyone can win BO3's against almost anyone. Being a great player does not mean you win 100% of your games, it means you're winning against good players more than 50% (i.e. 52% or 55%). People need to chill out, and not post stupid end of the world posts everytime IdrA loses a BO3 in some tournament.
He's still better than Nerchio, Ret and Stephano. (And even if he isn't, then who cares, this is his fanclub not theirs, we're entitled to be as blind and ignorant in our fanboy'ism as we like).
Except Ret Nerchio and Stephano ARE better than him Uhm, they're actually not, they're not even close LOL Ret, Nerchio and Stephano are better. That's a fact. EU players in general doing better than NA players. Maybe it has something to do with the much higher competition on the EU ladder. Hah I love the "my dad is stronger than your dad" discussions. EU ladder.. Ladder means nothing.
If you do not like EU ladder compared to NA, maybe you should then take a look at turnament results.
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His point is that EU's tourney results are pointless as well.
Unless EU overcomes Korea, you should shut the hell up about who is the best between Na and EU
It's like arguing who is the best special ed class.
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On August 13 2011 20:28 SlaTe87 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 20:20 KinQuh wrote:On August 13 2011 20:14 userstupidname wrote:On August 13 2011 19:35 Jakkerr wrote:
I don't actually think Idra got worse as a player, I think the other players just got a lot better.
When I watch Idra playing I allways have the idea he is still using 5-6 months old strategies that everyone knows how too counter.
He has to freshen up his builds, then he will have a shot at being the best again. DRG still uses muta ling/bling and standard strats the builds idra are using is solid as always in my opinion. Theres nothing wrong with Mutalingbling but idra using roach/Hydra/corruptor zvp is just stupid. i wouldnt say stupid but there are clearly more effective compositions for zvp thats right .
Yeah you can see idra stream, he tries tons of different composition and mana isn't your shitty ladder toss.
There is nothing wrong with roach/hydra/corruptor zvp rather look at the factors around the game leading up to it.
For people saying steph, nerchio etc is better LMAO
Idra loses one tournament and places like 4th or 9th in huge tournaments and all of a sudden two players who have in contrast barely done anything gets called as better as idra.
Watch idra cast etc his understanding of the game is deep.
Its like when destiny, spanish or anyother one gets on a roll (Not to take credit away from nerchio and stephano, they are incredibly good in their own right) and for a month people go ''lawlalawlawl why don't pro player X do this strat, this player Y is so much better then pro player X.
And a month later that pro player is winning or placing high in tournaments while that player Y is still in lower leagues.
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The thing that elevated Idra above other foreigners was that he was training for 10 hours a day in Korea against the best players in the world, not some magical superpowers that would allow him to maintain that standard while practicing half as much against inferior opposition.
Idra isn't as good as he was while living in Korea and he won't reach that standard again without going back. At this point it's questionable whether he is better than the likes of Ret, Nerchio, Stephano, Sheth etc. but IF he is, it's certainly not by the margin it once was.
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On August 13 2011 20:39 Facedriller wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 20:31 KinQuh wrote:On August 13 2011 20:22 enecateReAP wrote:On August 13 2011 20:06 KinQuh wrote:On August 13 2011 20:00 OrchidThief wrote:
Wow people really have high expectations. Not only is ZvZ quite volatile, the whole game is quite volatile, anyone can win BO3's against almost anyone. Being a great player does not mean you win 100% of your games, it means you're winning against good players more than 50% (i.e. 52% or 55%). People need to chill out, and not post stupid end of the world posts everytime IdrA loses a BO3 in some tournament.
He's still better than Nerchio, Ret and Stephano. (And even if he isn't, then who cares, this is his fanclub not theirs, we're entitled to be as blind and ignorant in our fanboy'ism as we like).
Except Ret Nerchio and Stephano ARE better than him Uhm, they're actually not, they're not even close LOL Except all of them are doing better than IdrA LOL. That's just temporarily. IdrA is the better player, overall.
lol how blind are you
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