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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On August 11 2011 11:08 xHassassin wrote: + Show Spoiler + Losing to a no name terran. Expect imba posts lol... Ladder game for starters, if in a tournament some die hard fans might but for a ladder game no lmao. | ||
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On August 11 2011 11:11 damod wrote: why should be any imba posts ? idrA wasnt prepared for the attack and lost alot mutas before he engaged... and fyi, terrans dont need a name to win against zergs, only the abilities to marine and tank (unless requierd otherwise) the skill cap is not that big -.- Come on, really? I didn't take you two lines to contradict yourself ~_~ | ||
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damod
1106 Posts
On August 11 2011 11:17 TheSubtleArt wrote: Come on, really? I didn't take you two lines to contradict yourself ~_~ you ovbiously did not understand what i said. saying a terran dosnt need to be a big-named one to win against big named zergs does not mean that i said that terran was imbalanced -.- thus makeing my post a non-imba post, but a statement that terrans dont have a huge skill cap like zergs does. For example, idrA is a player that defeated big named terrans like thorzain and DDE, and lost to a no name terran wich is obviously far worse then both thorzain or DDE (by assumption). that pretty much proves that you dont need to be famous or pro terran to win against big name zergs. | ||
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dreamsmasher
816 Posts
On August 11 2011 11:17 TheSubtleArt wrote: Come on, really? I didn't take you two lines to contradict yourself ~_~ didn't idra say that himself, that top zergs off racing as terran could beat other top zergs, citing this snippet for the case of imbalance in ZvT. i remember sen complaining to TT1 (who is notorious for his complain of PvZ), about imbalance, meets TT1 on ladder off racing as zerg on Shakuras and loses to a nydus roach ling all in. | ||
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xHassassin
United States270 Posts
And yeah, calling the terran skill cap low is basically saying it's imba or a easy race. | ||
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damod
1106 Posts
On August 11 2011 11:38 xHassassin wrote: I thought Idra's beef was with zvp not zvt. And yeah, calling the terran skill cap low is basically saying it's imba or a easy race. easy race/noob friendly =\= Imbalanced. | ||
InsidiA
Canada1169 Posts
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Cassel_Castle
United States820 Posts
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FeUerFlieGe
United States1193 Posts
On August 11 2011 11:38 xHassassin wrote: I thought Idra's beef was with zvp not zvt. And yeah, calling the terran skill cap low is basically saying it's imba or a easy race. I think terran has a higher skill cap. Pro's are able to push the race more it seems. | ||
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EsMuyVien
United States408 Posts
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oogieogie
United States3657 Posts
On August 11 2011 13:37 EsMuyVien wrote: Uh... How is saying that one race is harder to play in a matchup not a biased/imba comment? Its saying that different races have different skillsets which is a little bias, but not imba comment at all. | ||
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Skithiryx
Australia648 Posts
On August 11 2011 11:27 damod wrote: you ovbiously did not understand what i said. saying a terran dosnt need to be a big-named one to win against big named zergs does not mean that i said that terran was imbalanced -.- thus makeing my post a non-imba post, but a statement that terrans dont have a huge skill cap like zergs does. For example, idrA is a player that defeated big named terrans like thorzain and DDE, and lost to a no name terran wich is obviously far worse then both thorzain or DDE (by assumption). that pretty much proves that you dont need to be famous or pro terran to win against big name zergs. And i'm sure Thorzain and DDE have lost to no-name Zergs on the ladder pretty much proving you don't need to be famour or pro zerg to win against big name terrans. | ||
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damod
1106 Posts
On August 11 2011 14:44 Skithiryx wrote: And i'm sure Thorzain and DDE have lost to no-name Zergs on the ladder pretty much proving you don't need to be famour or pro zerg to win against big name terrans. im not so sure about it since i never got to see thorzain or DDE lose to a no name zerg (not saying they never did, but saying that im pretty sure its very rare). are there any casted games or published replays that proves it ? anyway, Let me bring up the caliber a bit, and give you an Example with the Player people say is the Storngest player in the world, the 3 times GSL Code S Champion, IM.Nestea, Who lost painfully to a much lower caliber terran player, Kawairice. by saying that, show me a terran player like IM.Mvp or Slayers.MMA, who lost to a zerg player who is roughly in the same caliber as kawairice... | ||
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
On August 11 2011 22:06 damod wrote: im not so sure about it since i never got to see thorzain or DDE lose to a no name zerg (not saying they never did, but saying that im pretty sure its very rare). are there any casted games or published replays that proves it ? anyway, Let me bring up the caliber a bit, and give you an Example with the Player people say is the Storngest player in the world, the 3 times GSL Code S Champion, IM.Nestea, Who lost painfully to a much lower caliber terran player, Kawairice. by saying that, show me a terran player like IM.Mvp or Slayers.MMA, who lost to a zerg player who is roughly in the same caliber as kawairice... Just because the winners that have beaten these Koreans haven't decided to gloat and send replays doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Having said that, it happens to Terran far less. IMMvp had a 97% win rate on the NA ladder to give people a taste of what true domination is like. Even players like Empire Happy can achieve very high winrates as Terran and that is just the nature of the Terran race. If the Terran player is better than the Zerg or Protoss, Terran is going to win if you play at that expected level. But I'm sure they have lost random games before, most likely when they are playing really greedy because they don't actually care too much about winning. | ||
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Sarang
Australia2363 Posts
On August 11 2011 22:06 damod wrote: im not so sure about it since i never got to see thorzain or DDE lose to a no name zerg (not saying they never did, but saying that im pretty sure its very rare). are there any casted games or published replays that proves it ? anyway, Let me bring up the caliber a bit, and give you an Example with the Player people say is the Storngest player in the world, the 3 times GSL Code S Champion, IM.Nestea, Who lost painfully to a much lower caliber terran player, Kawairice. by saying that, show me a terran player like IM.Mvp or Slayers.MMA, who lost to a zerg player who is roughly in the same caliber as kawairice... are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that a top terran has NEVER lost to a lesser zerg on ladder? and you want proof? i mean, you say "im pretty sure it's very rare" but then you ask for proof? dude, just go through their match history. I'm sure someone has ThorZaiN or DDE in their friends list - i will bet you ANY amount of money that they have dropped games to unknown zergs. You keep saying you're not balance whining, but how is saying "Lesser terrans can beat better zergs, but lesser zergs cant beat better terrans" not balance whining? Top terrans lose to lesser zergs sometimes, top zergs lose to lesser terrans sometimes. End of story and fyi, nestea lost to Kawaiirice because it was a ladder match and NesTea was dicking around. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On August 11 2011 14:44 Skithiryx wrote: And i'm sure Thorzain and DDE have lost to no-name Zergs on the ladder pretty much proving you don't need to be famour or pro zerg to win against big name terrans. probably they havent, and even if they did its most likely the only reason those zerg's are no name is because it's harder for zerg to become known through tournaments. | ||
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WniO
United States2706 Posts
On August 11 2011 13:27 Cassel_Castle wrote: Wow. Looked at Idra's BW TLPD. In the last year before SC2 beta came out, there were 12 foreigner BW tournaments. Idra won 7 and finished in the final four in 2 more. Complete dominance. ? i cant seem to find that, but if so, thats pretty flippin sick. | ||
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Genovi
Sweden388 Posts
On August 11 2011 22:34 WniO wrote: ? i cant seem to find that, but if so, thats pretty flippin sick. I just hope he can reach the same level of foreigner dominance in sc2  . Nice to have him unbanned again, hopefully we will see some posts here and there. | ||
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On August 11 2011 11:27 damod wrote: you ovbiously did not understand what i said. saying a terran dosnt need to be a big-named one to win against big named zergs does not mean that i said that terran was imbalanced -.- thus makeing my post a non-imba post, but a statement that terrans dont have a huge skill cap like zergs does. For example, idrA is a player that defeated big named terrans like thorzain and DDE, and lost to a no name terran wich is obviously far worse then both thorzain or DDE (by assumption). that pretty much proves that you dont need to be famous or pro terran to win against big name zergs. So? The implication is that its easier for bad terrans to beat better zergs, which you can probably extrapolate even more meaning from. Sounds like whining to me. | ||
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damod
1106 Posts
On August 11 2011 22:32 Sarang wrote: are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that a top terran has NEVER lost to a lesser zerg on ladder? and you want proof? i mean, you say "im pretty sure it's very rare" but then you ask for proof? dude, just go through their match history. I'm sure someone has ThorZaiN or DDE in their friends list - i will bet you ANY amount of money that they have dropped games to unknown zergs. You keep saying you're not balance whining, but how is saying "Lesser terrans can beat better zergs, but lesser zergs cant beat better terrans" not balance whining? Top terrans lose to lesser zergs sometimes, top zergs lose to lesser terrans sometimes. End of story and fyi, nestea lost to Kawaiirice because it was a ladder match and NesTea was dicking around. OMFG dude, where you see me saying that Top terrans NEVER lost to random zergs ? The proof i demanded is A casted game showing it Or even atleast a published replay that show such a thing, i myself searched for a casted game and even replays were thorzain lost to a random zerg, And found 100% nothing, thats why i asked him to bring me a proof since i failed to find one (btw i searched thorzain only, im not sure about DDE). and i say it once again, i never said that thorzain has 100% win rate against random zergs, my point was that if you compare the amount of times idrA lose to random terran then thorzain lose to random zerg the difference is pretty big. i also belive you have a different perspective about what "imbalance" is. i belive that if a race is more forgiving or noob friendly, it dosnt mean that it is imbalanced, alot of topics debated about this claim suggested that terran is a bit more forgiving, but not imbalanced because of it, therefor my point is not a "balance whine". and if you are at it, explain to me how come nestea lost to kawairice who is obviously not a top level terran, and there are no evidence of players like Mvp or MMA who lost to zerg in the same caliber as kawairice ? saying it was" just aldder game" does not justify it.[/QUOTE] On August 11 2011 22:57 TheSubtleArt wrote: So? The implication is that its easier for bad terrans to beat better zergs, which you can probably extrapolate even more meaning from. Sounds like whining to me. learn the defenition of whining. "Whine: To complain or protest in a childish fashion." presenting facts/opinions =\= winning unless done in a childish way. | ||
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