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TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
August 11 2011 14:00 GMT
#18781
On August 11 2011 13:41 oogieogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2011 13:37 EsMuyVien wrote:
Uh... How is saying that one race is harder to play in a matchup not a biased/imba comment?

Its saying that different races have different skillsets which is a little bias, but not imba comment at all.

But then saying its much easier for race x to beat race y, even a skill discrepancy, IS whining
Dodge arrows
lisward
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Singapore959 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 14:03:30
August 11 2011 14:02 GMT
#18782
On August 11 2011 22:06 damod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2011 14:44 Skithiryx wrote:
On August 11 2011 11:27 damod wrote:
On August 11 2011 11:17 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On August 11 2011 11:11 damod wrote:
On August 11 2011 11:08 xHassassin wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Losing to a no name terran. Expect imba posts

why should be any imba posts ?
idrA wasnt prepared for the attack and lost alot mutas before he engaged...

and fyi, terrans dont need a name to win against zergs, only the abilities to marine and tank (unless requierd otherwise)
the skill cap is not that big -.-

Come on, really? I didn't take you two lines to contradict yourself ~_~

you ovbiously did not understand what i said.
saying a terran dosnt need to be a big-named one to win against big named zergs does not mean that i said that terran was imbalanced -.-

thus makeing my post a non-imba post, but a statement that terrans dont have a huge skill cap like zergs does.
For example, idrA is a player that defeated big named terrans like thorzain and DDE, and lost to a no name terran wich is obviously far worse then both thorzain or DDE (by assumption).

that pretty much proves that you dont need to be famous or pro terran to win against big name zergs.



And i'm sure Thorzain and DDE have lost to no-name Zergs on the ladder pretty much proving you don't need to be famour or pro zerg to win against big name terrans.

im not so sure about it since i never got to see thorzain or DDE lose to a no name zerg (not saying they never did, but saying that im pretty sure its very rare).
are there any casted games or published replays that proves it ?

anyway, Let me bring up the caliber a bit, and give you an Example with the Player people say is the Storngest player in the world, the 3 times GSL Code S Champion, IM.Nestea, Who lost painfully to a much lower caliber terran player, Kawairice.

by saying that, show me a terran player like IM.Mvp or Slayers.MMA, who lost to a zerg player who is roughly in the same caliber as kawairice...

Destiny beat Bomber. Myth Busted.
Opinions are like phasers -- everybody ought to have one
BeefEU
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands260 Posts
August 11 2011 14:05 GMT
#18783
On August 11 2011 23:02 lisward wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2011 22:06 damod wrote:
On August 11 2011 14:44 Skithiryx wrote:
On August 11 2011 11:27 damod wrote:
On August 11 2011 11:17 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On August 11 2011 11:11 damod wrote:
On August 11 2011 11:08 xHassassin wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Losing to a no name terran. Expect imba posts

why should be any imba posts ?
idrA wasnt prepared for the attack and lost alot mutas before he engaged...

and fyi, terrans dont need a name to win against zergs, only the abilities to marine and tank (unless requierd otherwise)
the skill cap is not that big -.-

Come on, really? I didn't take you two lines to contradict yourself ~_~

you ovbiously did not understand what i said.
saying a terran dosnt need to be a big-named one to win against big named zergs does not mean that i said that terran was imbalanced -.-

thus makeing my post a non-imba post, but a statement that terrans dont have a huge skill cap like zergs does.
For example, idrA is a player that defeated big named terrans like thorzain and DDE, and lost to a no name terran wich is obviously far worse then both thorzain or DDE (by assumption).

that pretty much proves that you dont need to be famous or pro terran to win against big name zergs.



And i'm sure Thorzain and DDE have lost to no-name Zergs on the ladder pretty much proving you don't need to be famour or pro zerg to win against big name terrans.

im not so sure about it since i never got to see thorzain or DDE lose to a no name zerg (not saying they never did, but saying that im pretty sure its very rare).
are there any casted games or published replays that proves it ?

anyway, Let me bring up the caliber a bit, and give you an Example with the Player people say is the Storngest player in the world, the 3 times GSL Code S Champion, IM.Nestea, Who lost painfully to a much lower caliber terran player, Kawairice.

by saying that, show me a terran player like IM.Mvp or Slayers.MMA, who lost to a zerg player who is roughly in the same caliber as kawairice...

Destiny beat Bomber. Myth Busted.


Lol so true, end of discussion.

Anyway, I really hope IdrA kicks some but in the next major tournament... idra not doing well makes me a sad panda
damod
Profile Joined March 2011
1106 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 14:11:36
August 11 2011 14:08 GMT
#18784
oops double post, sry
EGHuK | EGJaeDong | EGMachine | EGiNcontroL | EGDemusliM | EGStephano <3
damod
Profile Joined March 2011
1106 Posts
August 11 2011 14:11 GMT
#18785
On August 11 2011 23:05 BeefEU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2011 23:02 lisward wrote:
On August 11 2011 22:06 damod wrote:
On August 11 2011 14:44 Skithiryx wrote:
On August 11 2011 11:27 damod wrote:
On August 11 2011 11:17 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On August 11 2011 11:11 damod wrote:
On August 11 2011 11:08 xHassassin wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Losing to a no name terran. Expect imba posts

why should be any imba posts ?
idrA wasnt prepared for the attack and lost alot mutas before he engaged...

and fyi, terrans dont need a name to win against zergs, only the abilities to marine and tank (unless requierd otherwise)
the skill cap is not that big -.-

Come on, really? I didn't take you two lines to contradict yourself ~_~

you ovbiously did not understand what i said.
saying a terran dosnt need to be a big-named one to win against big named zergs does not mean that i said that terran was imbalanced -.-

thus makeing my post a non-imba post, but a statement that terrans dont have a huge skill cap like zergs does.
For example, idrA is a player that defeated big named terrans like thorzain and DDE, and lost to a no name terran wich is obviously far worse then both thorzain or DDE (by assumption).

that pretty much proves that you dont need to be famous or pro terran to win against big name zergs.



And i'm sure Thorzain and DDE have lost to no-name Zergs on the ladder pretty much proving you don't need to be famour or pro zerg to win against big name terrans.

im not so sure about it since i never got to see thorzain or DDE lose to a no name zerg (not saying they never did, but saying that im pretty sure its very rare).
are there any casted games or published replays that proves it ?

anyway, Let me bring up the caliber a bit, and give you an Example with the Player people say is the Storngest player in the world, the 3 times GSL Code S Champion, IM.Nestea, Who lost painfully to a much lower caliber terran player, Kawairice.

by saying that, show me a terran player like IM.Mvp or Slayers.MMA, who lost to a zerg player who is roughly in the same caliber as kawairice...

Destiny beat Bomber. Myth Busted.


Lol so true, end of discussion.

Anyway, I really hope IdrA kicks some but in the next major tournament... idra not doing well makes me a sad panda

lolol, there are alot of thing i can say about that, but ill stop here...
EGHuK | EGJaeDong | EGMachine | EGiNcontroL | EGDemusliM | EGStephano <3
Sarang
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia2363 Posts
August 11 2011 14:52 GMT
#18786
On August 11 2011 23:11 damod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2011 23:05 BeefEU wrote:
On August 11 2011 23:02 lisward wrote:
On August 11 2011 22:06 damod wrote:
On August 11 2011 14:44 Skithiryx wrote:
On August 11 2011 11:27 damod wrote:
On August 11 2011 11:17 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On August 11 2011 11:11 damod wrote:
On August 11 2011 11:08 xHassassin wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Losing to a no name terran. Expect imba posts

why should be any imba posts ?
idrA wasnt prepared for the attack and lost alot mutas before he engaged...

and fyi, terrans dont need a name to win against zergs, only the abilities to marine and tank (unless requierd otherwise)
the skill cap is not that big -.-

Come on, really? I didn't take you two lines to contradict yourself ~_~

you ovbiously did not understand what i said.
saying a terran dosnt need to be a big-named one to win against big named zergs does not mean that i said that terran was imbalanced -.-

thus makeing my post a non-imba post, but a statement that terrans dont have a huge skill cap like zergs does.
For example, idrA is a player that defeated big named terrans like thorzain and DDE, and lost to a no name terran wich is obviously far worse then both thorzain or DDE (by assumption).

that pretty much proves that you dont need to be famous or pro terran to win against big name zergs.



And i'm sure Thorzain and DDE have lost to no-name Zergs on the ladder pretty much proving you don't need to be famour or pro zerg to win against big name terrans.

im not so sure about it since i never got to see thorzain or DDE lose to a no name zerg (not saying they never did, but saying that im pretty sure its very rare).
are there any casted games or published replays that proves it ?

anyway, Let me bring up the caliber a bit, and give you an Example with the Player people say is the Storngest player in the world, the 3 times GSL Code S Champion, IM.Nestea, Who lost painfully to a much lower caliber terran player, Kawairice.

by saying that, show me a terran player like IM.Mvp or Slayers.MMA, who lost to a zerg player who is roughly in the same caliber as kawairice...

Destiny beat Bomber. Myth Busted.


Lol so true, end of discussion.

Anyway, I really hope IdrA kicks some but in the next major tournament... idra not doing well makes me a sad panda

lolol, there are alot of thing i can say about that, but ill stop here...


you keep saying we've never seen MMA/Mvp lose to random zergs, therefore they dont, therefore terran is easier.

i ask you, how many random, unimportant games have you seen MMA and Mvp play? Do you watch them ladder? No. Do they regularly play in small tournaments with average players? No.

now, how many unimportant games have we seen IdrA play? a TON.

also your comparison makes no sense. MMA and Mvp are the BEST TvZ'ers in the entire world.

idra's ZvT is not as good as MMA/Mvp's TvZ.

you also bring up NesTea losing to kawaiirice - nestea's TvZ is nowhere near as good as his other matchups.

and nestea tried some silly all-in against kawaiirice, and nestea has said before that he does not take ladder seriously. that's how kawaiirice beat him.
"Killer helped me feel better before coming to the arena. He told me to say that." - Bomber
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
August 11 2011 15:08 GMT
#18787
This argument is ridiculous and you're doing nothing but ruining the fanclub.

1. Idra does not care about ladder.

2. Idra loses to people, it happens. Such is the way of making units or overdroning.
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
damod
Profile Joined March 2011
1106 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 16:07:21
August 11 2011 15:58 GMT
#18788
On August 11 2011 23:52 Sarang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2011 23:11 damod wrote:
On August 11 2011 23:05 BeefEU wrote:
On August 11 2011 23:02 lisward wrote:
On August 11 2011 22:06 damod wrote:
On August 11 2011 14:44 Skithiryx wrote:
On August 11 2011 11:27 damod wrote:
On August 11 2011 11:17 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On August 11 2011 11:11 damod wrote:
On August 11 2011 11:08 xHassassin wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Losing to a no name terran. Expect imba posts

why should be any imba posts ?
idrA wasnt prepared for the attack and lost alot mutas before he engaged...

and fyi, terrans dont need a name to win against zergs, only the abilities to marine and tank (unless requierd otherwise)
the skill cap is not that big -.-

Come on, really? I didn't take you two lines to contradict yourself ~_~

you ovbiously did not understand what i said.
saying a terran dosnt need to be a big-named one to win against big named zergs does not mean that i said that terran was imbalanced -.-

thus makeing my post a non-imba post, but a statement that terrans dont have a huge skill cap like zergs does.
For example, idrA is a player that defeated big named terrans like thorzain and DDE, and lost to a no name terran wich is obviously far worse then both thorzain or DDE (by assumption).

that pretty much proves that you dont need to be famous or pro terran to win against big name zergs.



And i'm sure Thorzain and DDE have lost to no-name Zergs on the ladder pretty much proving you don't need to be famour or pro zerg to win against big name terrans.

im not so sure about it since i never got to see thorzain or DDE lose to a no name zerg (not saying they never did, but saying that im pretty sure its very rare).
are there any casted games or published replays that proves it ?

anyway, Let me bring up the caliber a bit, and give you an Example with the Player people say is the Storngest player in the world, the 3 times GSL Code S Champion, IM.Nestea, Who lost painfully to a much lower caliber terran player, Kawairice.

by saying that, show me a terran player like IM.Mvp or Slayers.MMA, who lost to a zerg player who is roughly in the same caliber as kawairice...

Destiny beat Bomber. Myth Busted.


Lol so true, end of discussion.

Anyway, I really hope IdrA kicks some but in the next major tournament... idra not doing well makes me a sad panda

lolol, there are alot of thing i can say about that, but ill stop here...


you keep saying we've never seen MMA/Mvp lose to random zergs, therefore they dont, therefore terran is easier.

i ask you, how many random, unimportant games have you seen MMA and Mvp play? Do you watch them ladder? No. Do they regularly play in small tournaments with average players? No.

now, how many unimportant games have we seen IdrA play? a TON.

also your comparison makes no sense. MMA and Mvp are the BEST TvZ'ers in the entire world.

idra's ZvT is not as good as MMA/Mvp's TvZ.

you also bring up NesTea losing to kawaiirice - nestea's TvZ is nowhere near as good as his other matchups.

and nestea tried some silly all-in against kawaiirice, and nestea has said before that he does not take ladder seriously. that's how kawaiirice beat him.


the Exact number of "unimportant games" MVP played when combining this season and last season is: 1189 ladder games on the korean Grandmasters server.

the Exact number of "unimportant games" IdrA played when combining this season and last season is: 865 ladder games on the NA Grandmasters server.

Mvp played alot more games then idrA on ladder
i have seen none of mvp's games, but you gotta agree that if zerg manages to get in GM on the korean server they cant be reffered as "random zergs"

i try the most to make my point based on as much as legit facts has possible and less on my opinion.

but still, on my opinion, nestea's ZvT is very strong, strong enough to win against OgsEnsnare, Jinro, Bomber, Happy and ScFou, the fact he is better in other matchups does not mean he should lose to players like kawairice...

also another fact that proves my point: [July] TLPD Race Winrate Graphs

International:
[image loading]

Korea:
[image loading]

also according to @Micket, IM.Mvp has a 97% win rate in the NA server, i dont know if it is 100% legit but if it is it also proves my point.
EGHuK | EGJaeDong | EGMachine | EGiNcontroL | EGDemusliM | EGStephano <3
Sarang
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia2363 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 16:20:29
August 11 2011 16:10 GMT
#18789
On August 12 2011 00:58 damod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2011 23:52 Sarang wrote:
On August 11 2011 23:11 damod wrote:
On August 11 2011 23:05 BeefEU wrote:
On August 11 2011 23:02 lisward wrote:
On August 11 2011 22:06 damod wrote:
On August 11 2011 14:44 Skithiryx wrote:
On August 11 2011 11:27 damod wrote:
On August 11 2011 11:17 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On August 11 2011 11:11 damod wrote:
[quote]
why should be any imba posts ?
idrA wasnt prepared for the attack and lost alot mutas before he engaged...

and fyi, terrans dont need a name to win against zergs, only the abilities to marine and tank (unless requierd otherwise)
the skill cap is not that big -.-

Come on, really? I didn't take you two lines to contradict yourself ~_~

you ovbiously did not understand what i said.
saying a terran dosnt need to be a big-named one to win against big named zergs does not mean that i said that terran was imbalanced -.-

thus makeing my post a non-imba post, but a statement that terrans dont have a huge skill cap like zergs does.
For example, idrA is a player that defeated big named terrans like thorzain and DDE, and lost to a no name terran wich is obviously far worse then both thorzain or DDE (by assumption).

that pretty much proves that you dont need to be famous or pro terran to win against big name zergs.



And i'm sure Thorzain and DDE have lost to no-name Zergs on the ladder pretty much proving you don't need to be famour or pro zerg to win against big name terrans.

im not so sure about it since i never got to see thorzain or DDE lose to a no name zerg (not saying they never did, but saying that im pretty sure its very rare).
are there any casted games or published replays that proves it ?

anyway, Let me bring up the caliber a bit, and give you an Example with the Player people say is the Storngest player in the world, the 3 times GSL Code S Champion, IM.Nestea, Who lost painfully to a much lower caliber terran player, Kawairice.

by saying that, show me a terran player like IM.Mvp or Slayers.MMA, who lost to a zerg player who is roughly in the same caliber as kawairice...

Destiny beat Bomber. Myth Busted.


Lol so true, end of discussion.

Anyway, I really hope IdrA kicks some but in the next major tournament... idra not doing well makes me a sad panda

lolol, there are alot of thing i can say about that, but ill stop here...


you keep saying we've never seen MMA/Mvp lose to random zergs, therefore they dont, therefore terran is easier.

i ask you, how many random, unimportant games have you seen MMA and Mvp play? Do you watch them ladder? No. Do they regularly play in small tournaments with average players? No.

now, how many unimportant games have we seen IdrA play? a TON.

also your comparison makes no sense. MMA and Mvp are the BEST TvZ'ers in the entire world.

idra's ZvT is not as good as MMA/Mvp's TvZ.

you also bring up NesTea losing to kawaiirice - nestea's TvZ is nowhere near as good as his other matchups.

and nestea tried some silly all-in against kawaiirice, and nestea has said before that he does not take ladder seriously. that's how kawaiirice beat him.

the Exact number of "unimportant games" MVP played when combining this season and last season is: 1189 ladder games on the korean Grandmasters server.

+ Show Spoiler +
the Exact number of "unimportant games" IdrA played when combining this season and last season is: 865 ladder games on the NA Grandmasters server

i try the most to make point based on as much as legit facts has possible and less on my opinion.

nestea's ZvT is strong enough to win against OgsEnsnare, Jinro, Bomber And ScFou, the fact he is better in other matchups does not mean he should lose to players like kawairice...

also another fact that proves my point:

International:
[image loading]

Korea:
[image loading]

also according to @Micket, IM.Mvp has a 97% win rate in the NA server, i dont know if it is 100% legit but if it is it also proves my point.


+ Show Spoiler +
your arguments are awful.

seriously, i'm not going to keep talking about this here, this is the idra fanclub and we should all just stfu.

if you feel the need to continue sharing your arguments with us, make a thread about it. although i don't know if that'd stay open for long, so maybe a blog post would be a better bet.

in either case, let's just drop it in this thread at least. This is the idra fanclub, we should probably all be talking about idra. >.>.
sorry for contributing to the derailing.


ON TOPIC
I'm glad IdrA is going to start practicing properly again. Isn't it 8 hours of practice every day at least in the EG house?

Once he's in the house and has a good practice schedule going again, I'm sure we'll see him shoot up in results. =)
"Killer helped me feel better before coming to the arena. He told me to say that." - Bomber
damod
Profile Joined March 2011
1106 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 16:23:03
August 11 2011 16:21 GMT
#18790
On August 12 2011 01:10 Sarang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 00:58 damod wrote:
On August 11 2011 23:52 Sarang wrote:
On August 11 2011 23:11 damod wrote:
On August 11 2011 23:05 BeefEU wrote:
On August 11 2011 23:02 lisward wrote:
On August 11 2011 22:06 damod wrote:
On August 11 2011 14:44 Skithiryx wrote:
On August 11 2011 11:27 damod wrote:
On August 11 2011 11:17 TheSubtleArt wrote:
[quote]
Come on, really? I didn't take you two lines to contradict yourself ~_~

you ovbiously did not understand what i said.
saying a terran dosnt need to be a big-named one to win against big named zergs does not mean that i said that terran was imbalanced -.-

thus makeing my post a non-imba post, but a statement that terrans dont have a huge skill cap like zergs does.
For example, idrA is a player that defeated big named terrans like thorzain and DDE, and lost to a no name terran wich is obviously far worse then both thorzain or DDE (by assumption).

that pretty much proves that you dont need to be famous or pro terran to win against big name zergs.



And i'm sure Thorzain and DDE have lost to no-name Zergs on the ladder pretty much proving you don't need to be famour or pro zerg to win against big name terrans.

im not so sure about it since i never got to see thorzain or DDE lose to a no name zerg (not saying they never did, but saying that im pretty sure its very rare).
are there any casted games or published replays that proves it ?

anyway, Let me bring up the caliber a bit, and give you an Example with the Player people say is the Storngest player in the world, the 3 times GSL Code S Champion, IM.Nestea, Who lost painfully to a much lower caliber terran player, Kawairice.

by saying that, show me a terran player like IM.Mvp or Slayers.MMA, who lost to a zerg player who is roughly in the same caliber as kawairice...

Destiny beat Bomber. Myth Busted.


Lol so true, end of discussion.

Anyway, I really hope IdrA kicks some but in the next major tournament... idra not doing well makes me a sad panda

lolol, there are alot of thing i can say about that, but ill stop here...


you keep saying we've never seen MMA/Mvp lose to random zergs, therefore they dont, therefore terran is easier.

i ask you, how many random, unimportant games have you seen MMA and Mvp play? Do you watch them ladder? No. Do they regularly play in small tournaments with average players? No.

now, how many unimportant games have we seen IdrA play? a TON.

also your comparison makes no sense. MMA and Mvp are the BEST TvZ'ers in the entire world.

idra's ZvT is not as good as MMA/Mvp's TvZ.

you also bring up NesTea losing to kawaiirice - nestea's TvZ is nowhere near as good as his other matchups.

and nestea tried some silly all-in against kawaiirice, and nestea has said before that he does not take ladder seriously. that's how kawaiirice beat him.

the Exact number of "unimportant games" MVP played when combining this season and last season is: 1189 ladder games on the korean Grandmasters server.

+ Show Spoiler +
the Exact number of "unimportant games" IdrA played when combining this season and last season is: 865 ladder games on the NA Grandmasters server

i try the most to make point based on as much as legit facts has possible and less on my opinion.

nestea's ZvT is strong enough to win against OgsEnsnare, Jinro, Bomber And ScFou, the fact he is better in other matchups does not mean he should lose to players like kawairice...

also another fact that proves my point:

International:
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Korea:
[image loading]

also according to @Micket, IM.Mvp has a 97% win rate in the NA server, i dont know if it is 100% legit but if it is it also proves my point.


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your arguments are awful.

seriously, i'm not going to keep talking about this here, this is the idra fanclub and we should all just stfu.

if you feel the need to continue sharing your terrible arguments with us, make a thread about it. although i don't know if that'd stay open for long, so maybe a blog post would be a better bet.

in either case, let's just drop it in this thread at least. this is the idra fanclub, we should probably all be talking about idra.
sorry for contributing to the derailing.


ON TOPIC
I'm glad IdrA is going to start practicing properly again. Isn't it 8 hours of practice every day at least in the EG house?

Once he's in the house and has a good practice schedule going again, I'm sure we'll see him shoot up in results. =)

ill be really glad if you explain why you think my argumnt is wrong.
if you just say my argument is bad without explaining why, my assumption is that you think i am wrong but you cant prove it.
EGHuK | EGJaeDong | EGMachine | EGiNcontroL | EGDemusliM | EGStephano <3
lisward
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Singapore959 Posts
August 11 2011 16:27 GMT
#18791
On August 12 2011 01:21 damod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 01:10 Sarang wrote:
On August 12 2011 00:58 damod wrote:
On August 11 2011 23:52 Sarang wrote:
On August 11 2011 23:11 damod wrote:
On August 11 2011 23:05 BeefEU wrote:
On August 11 2011 23:02 lisward wrote:
On August 11 2011 22:06 damod wrote:
On August 11 2011 14:44 Skithiryx wrote:
On August 11 2011 11:27 damod wrote:
[quote]
you ovbiously did not understand what i said.
saying a terran dosnt need to be a big-named one to win against big named zergs does not mean that i said that terran was imbalanced -.-

thus makeing my post a non-imba post, but a statement that terrans dont have a huge skill cap like zergs does.
For example, idrA is a player that defeated big named terrans like thorzain and DDE, and lost to a no name terran wich is obviously far worse then both thorzain or DDE (by assumption).

that pretty much proves that you dont need to be famous or pro terran to win against big name zergs.



And i'm sure Thorzain and DDE have lost to no-name Zergs on the ladder pretty much proving you don't need to be famour or pro zerg to win against big name terrans.

im not so sure about it since i never got to see thorzain or DDE lose to a no name zerg (not saying they never did, but saying that im pretty sure its very rare).
are there any casted games or published replays that proves it ?

anyway, Let me bring up the caliber a bit, and give you an Example with the Player people say is the Storngest player in the world, the 3 times GSL Code S Champion, IM.Nestea, Who lost painfully to a much lower caliber terran player, Kawairice.

by saying that, show me a terran player like IM.Mvp or Slayers.MMA, who lost to a zerg player who is roughly in the same caliber as kawairice...

Destiny beat Bomber. Myth Busted.


Lol so true, end of discussion.

Anyway, I really hope IdrA kicks some but in the next major tournament... idra not doing well makes me a sad panda

lolol, there are alot of thing i can say about that, but ill stop here...


you keep saying we've never seen MMA/Mvp lose to random zergs, therefore they dont, therefore terran is easier.

i ask you, how many random, unimportant games have you seen MMA and Mvp play? Do you watch them ladder? No. Do they regularly play in small tournaments with average players? No.

now, how many unimportant games have we seen IdrA play? a TON.

also your comparison makes no sense. MMA and Mvp are the BEST TvZ'ers in the entire world.

idra's ZvT is not as good as MMA/Mvp's TvZ.

you also bring up NesTea losing to kawaiirice - nestea's TvZ is nowhere near as good as his other matchups.

and nestea tried some silly all-in against kawaiirice, and nestea has said before that he does not take ladder seriously. that's how kawaiirice beat him.

the Exact number of "unimportant games" MVP played when combining this season and last season is: 1189 ladder games on the korean Grandmasters server.

+ Show Spoiler +
the Exact number of "unimportant games" IdrA played when combining this season and last season is: 865 ladder games on the NA Grandmasters server

i try the most to make point based on as much as legit facts has possible and less on my opinion.

nestea's ZvT is strong enough to win against OgsEnsnare, Jinro, Bomber And ScFou, the fact he is better in other matchups does not mean he should lose to players like kawairice...

also another fact that proves my point:

International:
[image loading]

Korea:
[image loading]

also according to @Micket, IM.Mvp has a 97% win rate in the NA server, i dont know if it is 100% legit but if it is it also proves my point.


+ Show Spoiler +
your arguments are awful.

seriously, i'm not going to keep talking about this here, this is the idra fanclub and we should all just stfu.

if you feel the need to continue sharing your terrible arguments with us, make a thread about it. although i don't know if that'd stay open for long, so maybe a blog post would be a better bet.

in either case, let's just drop it in this thread at least. this is the idra fanclub, we should probably all be talking about idra.
sorry for contributing to the derailing.


ON TOPIC
I'm glad IdrA is going to start practicing properly again. Isn't it 8 hours of practice every day at least in the EG house?

Once he's in the house and has a good practice schedule going again, I'm sure we'll see him shoot up in results. =)

ill be really glad if you explain why you think my argumnt is wrong.
if you just say my argument is bad without explaining why, my assumption is that you think i am wrong but you cant prove it.

Being Grandmasters means nothing. Players like CombatEx, Deezer are top in NA grandmasters. The korea grandmasters are full of poor players as well, such as FXOTheBest.

Also, ladder does not mean anything. Nestea loses to FXOSc consistently, but he beat him in GSL, as he, and SC admitted, that he never plays ladder seriously.
Opinions are like phasers -- everybody ought to have one
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
August 11 2011 18:08 GMT
#18792
Stop talking about other players please. This is not the other players discussion station.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25991 Posts
August 11 2011 18:09 GMT
#18793
Isn't this the IdrA fanclub?
Moderator
isleyofthenorth
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Austria894 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 18:17:58
August 11 2011 18:16 GMT
#18794
On August 11 2011 23:02 lisward wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2011 22:06 damod wrote:
On August 11 2011 14:44 Skithiryx wrote:
On August 11 2011 11:27 damod wrote:
On August 11 2011 11:17 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On August 11 2011 11:11 damod wrote:
On August 11 2011 11:08 xHassassin wrote:
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Losing to a no name terran. Expect imba posts

why should be any imba posts ?
idrA wasnt prepared for the attack and lost alot mutas before he engaged...

and fyi, terrans dont need a name to win against zergs, only the abilities to marine and tank (unless requierd otherwise)
the skill cap is not that big -.-

Come on, really? I didn't take you two lines to contradict yourself ~_~

you ovbiously did not understand what i said.
saying a terran dosnt need to be a big-named one to win against big named zergs does not mean that i said that terran was imbalanced -.-

thus makeing my post a non-imba post, but a statement that terrans dont have a huge skill cap like zergs does.
For example, idrA is a player that defeated big named terrans like thorzain and DDE, and lost to a no name terran wich is obviously far worse then both thorzain or DDE (by assumption).

that pretty much proves that you dont need to be famous or pro terran to win against big name zergs.



And i'm sure Thorzain and DDE have lost to no-name Zergs on the ladder pretty much proving you don't need to be famour or pro zerg to win against big name terrans.

im not so sure about it since i never got to see thorzain or DDE lose to a no name zerg (not saying they never did, but saying that im pretty sure its very rare).
are there any casted games or published replays that proves it ?

anyway, Let me bring up the caliber a bit, and give you an Example with the Player people say is the Storngest player in the world, the 3 times GSL Code S Champion, IM.Nestea, Who lost painfully to a much lower caliber terran player, Kawairice.

by saying that, show me a terran player like IM.Mvp or Slayers.MMA, who lost to a zerg player who is roughly in the same caliber as kawairice...

Destiny beat Bomber. Myth Busted.


if he played straight up muta ling bling he would have had no chance. bomber probably NEVER plays against destinys style.

no myth busted at all

also LOL @ people who think thebest is a bad player
HuKPOWA
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1604 Posts
August 11 2011 18:16 GMT
#18795
On August 12 2011 03:09 Chill wrote:
Isn't this the IdrA fanclub?


sometimes...i...really...don't...know....(looks back at last few pages)
Hardigan
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1297 Posts
August 11 2011 18:24 GMT
#18796
On August 12 2011 03:09 Chill wrote:
Isn't this the IdrA fanclub?

Well, everybody here likes Idra that much, that everyone is trying to defend him in his/her own way.
Hence the many balance posts.

It's like in football: If your favorite Team loses you always blame the referee first. Nothing special about it.
damod
Profile Joined March 2011
1106 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-11 18:30:44
August 11 2011 18:28 GMT
#18797
On August 12 2011 03:24 Hardigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 03:09 Chill wrote:
Isn't this the IdrA fanclub?

Well, everybody here likes Idra that much, that everyone is trying to defend him in his/her own way.
Hence the many balance posts.

It's like in football: If your favorite Team loses you always blame the referee first. Nothing special about it.

lol pretty much this, guess i went overboard...

Anyway, IdrA fighting today in IPL, i really hope that the so-called "spoilers" theorised here were wrong :X
EGHuK | EGJaeDong | EGMachine | EGiNcontroL | EGDemusliM | EGStephano <3
Olsson
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden931 Posts
August 11 2011 18:31 GMT
#18798
Idra played vs Binski is this like IGN semi finals or something or what was this match up all about.
Naniwa <3
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
August 11 2011 18:39 GMT
#18799
On August 12 2011 03:31 Olsson wrote:
Idra played vs Binski is this like IGN semi finals or something or what was this match up all about.

Just some dude with Husky syndrome who submitted a replay with Idra losing due to a miss click with his mutas, and then left without a gg -.-'
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
August 11 2011 19:48 GMT
#18800
On August 12 2011 03:09 Chill wrote:
Isn't this the IdrA fanclub?

Yeah, I have to check the topic title very often when viewing this fanclub. You guys really need to use the PM function if you want to disagree with someone in an unrelated topic.
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