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On March 06 2013 07:52 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 03:37 Facultyadjutant wrote:On March 06 2013 03:13 Forikorder wrote:On March 06 2013 03:04 Facultyadjutant wrote:On March 06 2013 02:34 Lefaa wrote:On March 06 2013 02:32 Facultyadjutant wrote:On March 06 2013 02:24 Forikorder wrote:On March 06 2013 02:21 Facultyadjutant wrote:On March 06 2013 02:13 Forikorder wrote:On March 05 2013 23:06 xsnac wrote:
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lol whats broken ? voidray vs chain fungals guess who wins ?
abduct into a ball of hydralisk guess what unit win ?
i hope idra understands those things and he starts kicking ass the game is perfecly fine you just have to abuse it . fungal lost its +armoured and does only 30 damage now, you ahve any idea how long it would actually take to fungal VRs to death? especially with tempests and HTs killing your infesters? About 1 more fungal than slivko had It is possible - we even got more range now its only possible if the Protoss is very very bad, any decent pro will split the VRs enough that fungal just doesnt work and will kill the Infesters before they can get many off collosus VR was actually a common build a while ago (like during scrap station) its actually the build that got fungal buffed in the first place because Zerg had no AA that could beat it effectively, the only way to kill it was max out on corrupters and clean up all the VRs and Collosus and then remax to deal with whats left (which was near impossible to pull off) but in HoTS VRs dont lose to corrupters so you cant even do that He played yongwah, prating and hasuobs.... yeah and parting didnt split his voidrays at all, vice versa. Only way fungal works vs voidrays is toss just clump up all VRs like parting did, othervise u wont have enough energy to kill VRs/your infestors are dead before killing VRs. It's two of the best korean control in the business... - Like said on stream, you got to engage when voidraycharge is off, fungal is perfect for that. And even so its a malformed assertion ''lol if he just controls perfectely'' yeah just as zerg can control perfectly. Get over it... The important thing here is: There are ways Why is there even a need to defend this stupidity? God this fanclub with its coming and going fans saying the same thing over and over. Not to even talk about how many times terran got figured out; you got the whole damn protoss period ''it's impossible, ''david kim nerf pls'' and stephano came along and actually did something. Of course Ret's and Slivko games are comparable, saying otherwise is silly. Should idra sit here for a whole year til hots is ''figured out'' for him? No, of course not, and he probably isn't even. He probably is testing the things that happened in iem, he is probably testing new things - in contrast to this rubbish that defends the foolish side of a player rather then propagate the progressive one. noone ever said protoss was impossible before Stephano came in dont be dumb just watch, a couple weeks after release well see Protoss with 80% win rate in PvZ You are joking right? Pulling my chain? Pulling a fast one? Twiddling the tiddletop? Fiddledoddling the poddlenoodle? Of course you are, otherwise I would be worried for the world because you can actually vote stephano apeared after BL infester was invented and before the immo sentry all-in so he apeared when ZvP was the most balanced (which means at the point where people were saying protoss was jsut hard to beat not impossible)
You're kidding right? Stephano was the first one doing max roach and heavy roach/ling midgame. This is way before the infestor broodlord problem.
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On March 06 2013 08:21 CursOr wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 07:52 Forikorder wrote:On March 06 2013 03:37 Facultyadjutant wrote:On March 06 2013 03:13 Forikorder wrote:On March 06 2013 03:04 Facultyadjutant wrote:On March 06 2013 02:34 Lefaa wrote:On March 06 2013 02:32 Facultyadjutant wrote:On March 06 2013 02:24 Forikorder wrote:On March 06 2013 02:21 Facultyadjutant wrote:On March 06 2013 02:13 Forikorder wrote:
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fungal lost its +armoured and does only 30 damage now, you ahve any idea how long it would actually take to fungal VRs to death? especially with tempests and HTs killing your infesters? About 1 more fungal than slivko had It is possible - we even got more range now its only possible if the Protoss is very very bad, any decent pro will split the VRs enough that fungal just doesnt work and will kill the Infesters before they can get many off collosus VR was actually a common build a while ago (like during scrap station) its actually the build that got fungal buffed in the first place because Zerg had no AA that could beat it effectively, the only way to kill it was max out on corrupters and clean up all the VRs and Collosus and then remax to deal with whats left (which was near impossible to pull off) but in HoTS VRs dont lose to corrupters so you cant even do that He played yongwah, prating and hasuobs.... yeah and parting didnt split his voidrays at all, vice versa. Only way fungal works vs voidrays is toss just clump up all VRs like parting did, othervise u wont have enough energy to kill VRs/your infestors are dead before killing VRs. It's two of the best korean control in the business... - Like said on stream, you got to engage when voidraycharge is off, fungal is perfect for that. And even so its a malformed assertion ''lol if he just controls perfectely'' yeah just as zerg can control perfectly. Get over it... The important thing here is: There are ways Why is there even a need to defend this stupidity? God this fanclub with its coming and going fans saying the same thing over and over. Not to even talk about how many times terran got figured out; you got the whole damn protoss period ''it's impossible, ''david kim nerf pls'' and stephano came along and actually did something. Of course Ret's and Slivko games are comparable, saying otherwise is silly. Should idra sit here for a whole year til hots is ''figured out'' for him? No, of course not, and he probably isn't even. He probably is testing the things that happened in iem, he is probably testing new things - in contrast to this rubbish that defends the foolish side of a player rather then propagate the progressive one. noone ever said protoss was impossible before Stephano came in dont be dumb just watch, a couple weeks after release well see Protoss with 80% win rate in PvZ You are joking right? Pulling my chain? Pulling a fast one? Twiddling the tiddletop? Fiddledoddling the poddlenoodle? Of course you are, otherwise I would be worried for the world because you can actually vote stephano apeared after BL infester was invented and before the immo sentry all-in so he apeared when ZvP was the most balanced (which means at the point where people were saying protoss was jsut hard to beat not impossible) You're kidding right? Stephano was the first one doing max roach and heavy roach/ling midgame. This is way before the infestor broodlord problem.
people were doing infester/broodlord before stepano apeared
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Stephano was the one who solved the 3rd base problem regarding how to take it safe, leading to a safe midgame and a great lategame transition allowing broodlord/infestor
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On March 06 2013 09:01 Facultyadjutant wrote:
Stephano was the one who solved the 3rd base problem regarding how to take it safe, leading to a safe midgame and a great lategame transition allowing broodlord/infestor
no he wasnt stephano invented the 12 minute max roach all-in
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On March 06 2013 12:04 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 09:01 Facultyadjutant wrote:
Stephano was the one who solved the 3rd base problem regarding how to take it safe, leading to a safe midgame and a great lategame transition allowing broodlord/infestor no he wasnt stephano invented the 12 minute max roach all-in
Yes because 3 base saturation makes you all in. Good use of your brain sir!
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On March 06 2013 12:26 EmNGiantNome wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 12:04 Forikorder wrote:On March 06 2013 09:01 Facultyadjutant wrote:
Stephano was the one who solved the 3rd base problem regarding how to take it safe, leading to a safe midgame and a great lategame transition allowing broodlord/infestor no he wasnt stephano invented the 12 minute max roach all-in Yes because 3 base saturation makes you all in. Good use of your brain sir!
It is an all in. Silly how some people don't understand why it was. I will explain it for you and hopefully you can understand it.
He didn't get all 6 gases (otherwise he wouldn't max as fast) and you get NO transition if you do not severely cripple the protoss because the protoss will have tech and he will be countering with an army that the zerg can't fight because he has no tech and is scrambling to try to transition when he's dead unless protoss doesn't attack for a long time and lets zerg back in the game which should never happen unless as I said if zerg did crippling damage then he can transition out, but if not he is as dead as a fish out of water.
If protoss defends the roach max zerg is fucked unless he does a ton of damage. His tech is super super super delayed, his gas mining is delayed and yeah it is all in. Way to use your brain sir and at least try to understand it before saying something like this and then insulting the guy with a "use your brain sir" when he's right.
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Blade, you never sent those replays you promised 
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On March 06 2013 20:53 Ghanburighan wrote:Blade, you never sent those replays you promised
for the 12min max roach, nobody need a replay, every silver player can do this too, they only need 1-2min more time than the gm players.
this is an all in because you dont have a spire, you dont have a infestor pit, you only have 0-0 or 1-0 or 0-1 upgrades at 12min. if you arent able to win, you will lose that game (99%).
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shouldn't idra be enabling vods by now? since he did not qualify for mlg and ipl being canceled?
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loved the commentary for IEM; please do it again !
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On March 06 2013 20:53 Ghanburighan wrote:Blade, you never sent those replays you promised
What replays? :o.
If I promised replays I probably did release them in some topic xD just would need to know what replays you are talking about 
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On March 07 2013 05:27 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 20:53 Ghanburighan wrote:Blade, you never sent those replays you promised What replays? :o. If I promised replays I probably did release them in some topic xD just would need to know what replays you are talking about
You said a you had replays of beating the Protoss air army (Voidray, tempest, HT) with Zerg. I'd love to see them. You might have released them somewhere but I cannot immediately find them.
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On March 07 2013 06:50 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 05:27 blade55555 wrote:On March 06 2013 20:53 Ghanburighan wrote:Blade, you never sent those replays you promised What replays? :o. If I promised replays I probably did release them in some topic xD just would need to know what replays you are talking about You said a you had replays of beating the Protoss air army (Voidray, tempest, HT) with Zerg. I'd love to see them. You might have released them somewhere but I cannot immediately find them.
Oh yes I do. I did release a couple in threads, would release the other 1 or 2 I have had, but beta down and can't remember which games without watching xD
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?pyegxh4w26ydhec
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?bgpc1w33c9pdia3
Youtube video:
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On March 07 2013 07:04 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 06:50 Ghanburighan wrote:On March 07 2013 05:27 blade55555 wrote:On March 06 2013 20:53 Ghanburighan wrote:Blade, you never sent those replays you promised What replays? :o. If I promised replays I probably did release them in some topic xD just would need to know what replays you are talking about You said a you had replays of beating the Protoss air army (Voidray, tempest, HT) with Zerg. I'd love to see them. You might have released them somewhere but I cannot immediately find them. Oh yes I do. I did release a couple in threads, would release the other 1 or 2 I have had, but beta down and can't remember which games without watching xD http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?pyegxh4w26ydhechttp://www.mediafire.com/download.php?bgpc1w33c9pdia3Youtube video: + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE0UtVd3e6I
Thanks ^^
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On March 06 2013 12:04 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 09:01 Facultyadjutant wrote:
Stephano was the one who solved the 3rd base problem regarding how to take it safe, leading to a safe midgame and a great lategame transition allowing broodlord/infestor no he wasnt stephano invented the 12 minute max roach all-in
The threebase enabled the 12 min roach max
There's day9daylies on the subject for viewing 
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On March 06 2013 12:30 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 12:26 EmNGiantNome wrote:On March 06 2013 12:04 Forikorder wrote:On March 06 2013 09:01 Facultyadjutant wrote:
Stephano was the one who solved the 3rd base problem regarding how to take it safe, leading to a safe midgame and a great lategame transition allowing broodlord/infestor no he wasnt stephano invented the 12 minute max roach all-in Yes because 3 base saturation makes you all in. Good use of your brain sir! + Show Spoiler +
It is an all in. Silly how some people don't understand why it was. I will explain it for you and hopefully you can understand it.
He didn't get all 6 gases (otherwise he wouldn't max as fast) and you get NO transition if you do not severely cripple the protoss because the protoss will have tech and he will be countering with an army that the zerg can't fight because he has no tech and is scrambling to try to transition when he's dead unless protoss doesn't attack for a long time and lets zerg back in the game which should never happen unless as I said if zerg did crippling damage then he can transition out, but if not he is as dead as a fish out of water.
If protoss defends the roach max zerg is fucked unless he does a ton of damage. His tech is super super super delayed, his gas mining is delayed and yeah it is all in. Way to use your brain sir and at least try to understand it before saying something like this and then insulting the guy with a "use your brain sir" when he's right.
You could say that about any kind of aggression or harass. "If it doesn't do damage you are behind." Of course you are - same goes with mutalisk tech. If your opponent doesn't build any turrets and your mutas don't kill anything you are behind, because your tech is delayed and mutas don't complement your fighting army that well.
But building mutalisks isn't allin, because they do some "damage" without even killing stuff (for example forcing static defense, or a defensive positioning of your opponents units etc.).
At that time no/hardly any protoss that played against Stephano was able to defend the push without losing a lot of stuff. From the present point of view the build is near-allin-ish, but in my opinion it wasn't at that time.
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On March 07 2013 07:29 Firlefanz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 12:30 blade55555 wrote:On March 06 2013 12:26 EmNGiantNome wrote:On March 06 2013 12:04 Forikorder wrote:On March 06 2013 09:01 Facultyadjutant wrote:
Stephano was the one who solved the 3rd base problem regarding how to take it safe, leading to a safe midgame and a great lategame transition allowing broodlord/infestor no he wasnt stephano invented the 12 minute max roach all-in Yes because 3 base saturation makes you all in. Good use of your brain sir! + Show Spoiler +
It is an all in. Silly how some people don't understand why it was. I will explain it for you and hopefully you can understand it.
He didn't get all 6 gases (otherwise he wouldn't max as fast) and you get NO transition if you do not severely cripple the protoss because the protoss will have tech and he will be countering with an army that the zerg can't fight because he has no tech and is scrambling to try to transition when he's dead unless protoss doesn't attack for a long time and lets zerg back in the game which should never happen unless as I said if zerg did crippling damage then he can transition out, but if not he is as dead as a fish out of water.
If protoss defends the roach max zerg is fucked unless he does a ton of damage. His tech is super super super delayed, his gas mining is delayed and yeah it is all in. Way to use your brain sir and at least try to understand it before saying something like this and then insulting the guy with a "use your brain sir" when he's right.
You could say that about any kind of aggression or harass. "If it doesn't do damage you are behind." Of course you are - same goes with mutalisk tech. If your opponent doesn't build any turrets and your mutas don't kill anything you are behind, because your tech is delayed and mutas don't complement your fighting army that well. But building mutalisks isn't allin, because they do some "damage" without even killing stuff (for example forcing static defense, or a defensive positioning of your opponents units etc.). At that time no/hardly any protoss that played against Stephano was able to defend the push without losing a lot of stuff. From the present point of view the build is near-allin-ish, but in my opinion it wasn't at that time.
do you not realize that mutalisk has transitions that a 12 min roach max doesn't? youre sacrificing tech an insane amount of tech going straight for a roach max. if your roach attack fails, how are you going to deal with collosus? templar? its an allin because if you fail, then its almost impossible to come back because of the tech deficit.
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On March 07 2013 07:42 joon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 07:29 Firlefanz wrote:On March 06 2013 12:30 blade55555 wrote:On March 06 2013 12:26 EmNGiantNome wrote:On March 06 2013 12:04 Forikorder wrote:On March 06 2013 09:01 Facultyadjutant wrote:
Stephano was the one who solved the 3rd base problem regarding how to take it safe, leading to a safe midgame and a great lategame transition allowing broodlord/infestor no he wasnt stephano invented the 12 minute max roach all-in Yes because 3 base saturation makes you all in. Good use of your brain sir! + Show Spoiler +
It is an all in. Silly how some people don't understand why it was. I will explain it for you and hopefully you can understand it.
He didn't get all 6 gases (otherwise he wouldn't max as fast) and you get NO transition if you do not severely cripple the protoss because the protoss will have tech and he will be countering with an army that the zerg can't fight because he has no tech and is scrambling to try to transition when he's dead unless protoss doesn't attack for a long time and lets zerg back in the game which should never happen unless as I said if zerg did crippling damage then he can transition out, but if not he is as dead as a fish out of water.
If protoss defends the roach max zerg is fucked unless he does a ton of damage. His tech is super super super delayed, his gas mining is delayed and yeah it is all in. Way to use your brain sir and at least try to understand it before saying something like this and then insulting the guy with a "use your brain sir" when he's right.
You could say that about any kind of aggression or harass. "If it doesn't do damage you are behind." Of course you are - same goes with mutalisk tech. If your opponent doesn't build any turrets and your mutas don't kill anything you are behind, because your tech is delayed and mutas don't complement your fighting army that well. But building mutalisks isn't allin, because they do some "damage" without even killing stuff (for example forcing static defense, or a defensive positioning of your opponents units etc.). At that time no/hardly any protoss that played against Stephano was able to defend the push without losing a lot of stuff. From the present point of view the build is near-allin-ish, but in my opinion it wasn't at that time. do you not realize that mutalisk has transitions that a 12 min roach max doesn't? youre sacrificing tech an insane amount of tech going straight for a roach max. if your roach attack fails, how are you going to deal with collosus? templar? its an allin because if you fail, then its almost impossible to come back because of the tech deficit.
Yup this. You don't go mutalisks and pray terrans don't have turrets or you are behind. That's not how it works and as joon already said why so I won't elaborate other then saying he is correct.
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On March 07 2013 07:29 Firlefanz wrote:
At that time no/hardly any protoss that played against Stephano was able to defend the push without losing a lot of stuff. From the present point of view the build is near-allin-ish, but in my opinion it wasn't at that time.
So it's not an All-In because it won a lot?
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Hey,
somebody tell IdrA to watch IEM. This is how you defend a 8-Gate UNSCOUTED!!
Then you don't have to rage quit or call names....
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