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Whiteman103
United States1070 Posts
On September 18 2011 00:18 Whole wrote: this is pretty unrelated (to the depressing discussion about how terrible idra is), but the interviewer calls Greg "Grack" at 1:37....and this is when IdrA played SC1 sorta sounds like grack but he says greg | ||
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cavalier117
United States430 Posts
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zXzXz
19 Posts
On September 18 2011 00:34 Whole wrote: You didn't criticized him, you just called him a b-teamer. That post held no discussion value at all. Yes? It's a tiny detail of my criticising post, read it all instead of just one line. | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On September 18 2011 01:51 zXzXz wrote: Yes? It's a tiny detail of my criticising post, read it all instead of just one line. Allow me to answer the rest of your post then. Jinro was never insanely good, he just rode the macro terran wave, which he was one of the first to master. His attitude has slowly been improving over the last year(imo at least) so that won't hold him back forever. He clearly want to win.(Trimaster smash video) Also, Idra has great potential to improve, and is one of the most talented players from NA(see BW career) Besides, maybe he answered to the guy that posted about B teamer in the first place? Edit: Idra vs Softball on Nasl EU broadcast for those who didn't catch it live. | ||
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zXzXz
19 Posts
On September 18 2011 02:16 Aocowns wrote: Allow me to answer the rest of your post then. Jinro was never insanely good, he just rode the macro terran wave, which he was one of the first to master. His attitude has slowly been improving over the last year(imo at least) so that won't hold him back forever. He clearly want to win.(Trimaster smash video) Also, Idra has great potential to improve, and is one of the most talented players from NA(see BW career) Besides, maybe he answered to the guy that posted about B teamer in the first place? Edit: Idra vs Softball on Nasl EU broadcast for those who didn't catch it live. I never said Jinro was insanely good, but at his peak, definetly better than IdrA. He beat IdrA 3-1 in GSL then 4-2 in Clash of the Titans. He got further than Idra in every GSL. He won an MLG that IdrA was in. Jinro may not have been "insanely good", but idra has never even been close to "insanely good" in that case | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On September 18 2011 02:31 zXzXz wrote: I never said Jinro was insanely good, but at his peak, definetly better than IdrA. He beat IdrA 3-1 in GSL then 4-2 in Clash of the Titans. He got further than Idra in every GSL. He won an MLG that IdrA was in. Jinro may not have been "insanely good", but idra has never even been close to "insanely good" in that case If Jinro had not had so much experience with macro terran, then he wouldnt have done so good I think. He was one of the first to use it, and so people did not have an answer. At that time, Idra had both better, mechanics and unit control. Jinro was by no means bad, he was really really good. I was still very new to the game then, so I might remember it wrong, but that's how I saw it. Yay for Idra vs Softball :D Edit: I forgot, you did see the maps for th GSL games, or are you just saying things out of your ass? | ||
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reptile
United States210 Posts
On September 18 2011 02:31 zXzXz wrote: I never said Jinro was insanely good, but at his peak, definetly better than IdrA. He beat IdrA 3-1 in GSL then 4-2 in Clash of the Titans. He got further than Idra in every GSL. He won an MLG that IdrA was in. Jinro may not have been "insanely good", but idra has never even been close to "insanely good" in that case That's a pretty unfair comparison. In the GSL, Jinro had a ridiculous map advantage that he was clearly aware of and even said in interviews that he knew the map was busted for Zerg. As for Clash of the Titans, yes Jinro won that series, but it doesn't award someone the title of the better player. Idra consistently improved every GSL he played in, Jinro has not. Idra also won an MLG. They're both great players, and this game is far to young to start deciding who's better and who's not. With every patch change we see players fall of the face of the planet, and I've noticed Idra much more than Jinro lately. | ||
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zXzXz
19 Posts
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On September 18 2011 02:50 zXzXz wrote: Well, let's just agree to disagree then^^ I dont think IdrA was ever on the same level as jinro. He did ok for awhile because he plays stupidly greedy (rush 75drones no units). Now that people realizes it, they all in like half their games vs IdrA with great success because he always cuts corners. Kind of like with jinro and macro terran, people adapt. And now they're both about the same skill lvl losing everything they enter. B-teamers overall. And jinro doesn't ragequit every ladder loss and blames imbalance/coinflip/retards so I think he has greater chances of becomming good again. Since I am immature, I must have last word :3 Jinro have been bad for a longer time than Idra, and right now, I would put my money on Idra being the better player :3 Besides, if you give Idra some time, he will usually admit his mistakes(Sometimes atleast) I dunno what's wrong with Jinro though, he's been playing with some of the best Koreans for months, and he still hasn't come out of his slump. One of my fav terrans for sure, just behind Demu and MvP ^^ | ||
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Apollo_Shards
1210 Posts
On September 18 2011 02:42 Aocowns wrote: If Jinro had not had so much experience with macro terran, then he wouldnt have done so good I think. He was one of the first to use it, and so people did not have an answer. At that time, Idra had both better, mechanics and unit control. Jinro was by no means bad, he was really really good. I was still very new to the game then, so I might remember it wrong, but that's how I saw it. Yay for Idra vs Softball :D Edit: I forgot, you did see the maps for th GSL games, or are you just saying things out of your ass? Being a fan of one player does not require you to degrade another player trying to make him look better. Trying to point out that somehow Jinro is bad does not make Idra look better. Stop being so disrespectful to other fans just because you dont agree with them. | ||
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Surili
United Kingdom1141 Posts
Moreover, idra i think has really cleaned up his act, and i feel like he contributes a lot to the SC2 community, with frequent appearences in interviews, state of the game, as well as inside the game obviously. He is a very good player, and i am waiting for him to do really well in a tournament one of these days. Less hate in a fan club guys. | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On September 18 2011 02:59 Apollo_Shards wrote: Being a fan of one player does not require you to degrade another player trying to make him look better. Trying to point out that somehow Jinro is bad does not make Idra look better. Stop being so disrespectful to other fans just because you dont agree with them. Well, that guy came into the fanclub and called them both B teamers though. Iwas not disrespectful. he had an advantage in maps, and a relatively new style. They were both pretty good at the time, but I think Idra had better mechanics and unit control. As I said, Jinro was really good, if not he wouldnt have been in Code S. If you look closely, I called Jinro good there | ||
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EsMuyVien
United States408 Posts
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kanadiasteve
United States313 Posts
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On September 18 2011 03:40 kanadiasteve wrote: Yeah, I bet Idra's watching DRG pretty closely as well. DRG didn't need to play Hero though, so there's that I guess. IdrA's ZvT, though maybe not amazing, is still arguably better than his ZvP. Maybe he'd have advanced further if he got some terrans to play? I think he would have had a good chance against Naniwa and Rain. | ||
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zXzXz
19 Posts
On September 18 2011 02:57 Aocowns wrote: Since I am immature, I must have last word :3 Jinro have been bad for a longer time than Idra, and right now, I would put my money on Idra being the better player :3 Besides, if you give Idra some time, he will usually admit his mistakes(Sometimes atleast) I dunno what's wrong with Jinro though, he's been playing with some of the best Koreans for months, and he still hasn't come out of his slump. One of my fav terrans for sure, just behind Demu and MvP ^^ I don't think it's fair to say "Jinro has been bad for a longer time" when Jinro are only fighting koreans. Jinro is doing badly vs Koreans while idra is losing to most foreigners he bumps into in the MLGs. Once again, i think we can just agree to disagree? You think idras army control etc is better than jinros somehow and I'll accept that even tho i couldn't disagree more. Jinro's splitting is MKP level and I don't think I've ever seen somebody with worse infestor control than IdrA (which isn't meant to offend him. He's definetly top5 foreign zergs and I always root for him together with all foreigners in tournaments so im definetly no hater, I like idra) | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On September 18 2011 03:45 zXzXz wrote: I don't think it's fair to say "Jinro has been bad for a longer time" when Jinro are only fighting koreans. Jinro is doing badly vs Koreans while idra is losing to most foreigners he bumps into in the MLGs. Once again, i think we can just agree to disagree? You think idras army control etc is better than jinros somehow and I'll accept that even tho i couldn't disagree more. Jinro's splitting is MKP level and I don't think I've ever seen somebody with worse infestor control than IdrA (which isn't meant to offend him. He's definetly top5 foreign zergs and I always root for him together with all foreigners in tournaments so im definetly no hater, I like idra) I guess it is true that Jinrois playing Korans, but he is also playing WITH Koreans. The times he has been playing foreigners(MLG etc) he hasn't been doing good against foreigners either. I havent followed Jinro recently, so I dunno :/ | ||
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zXzXz
19 Posts
 Anyways, I hate to repeat myself but I guess we'll agree to disagree ^^ You think Idra is doing better, I think Jinro is doing better. DH finals now so I wont be responding, ciao :d | ||
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SagaSan
France64 Posts
On September 18 2011 03:22 EsMuyVien wrote: Wow... Anyone still watching Dreamhack now that Idra is out? DRG playing like a boss. He's how Idra would be playing if he was still in Korea! Hope Grack does better soon. DRG struggled hard to beat Hero in mlg, there's no shame in such a defeat, i hope DRG will crush thorzain now. | ||
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