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On December 11 2010 18:49 cHaNg-sTa wrote:Right, I saw that. He couldn't do anything about the push. But doesn't that seem counter intuitive? A pool first build sounds safer than a FE build, yet somehow a marine SCV push destroys it. Early game ZvT shouldn't be structured this way.. It'll lead to a lot more stupid ZvT games as if there aren't enough of those already.
The point is that hatch first means you get to place a spinecrawler at the natural which will mean you can actually defend the all in.
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On December 11 2010 19:37 Robstickle wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 18:49 cHaNg-sTa wrote:Right, I saw that. He couldn't do anything about the push. But doesn't that seem counter intuitive? A pool first build sounds safer than a FE build, yet somehow a marine SCV push destroys it. Early game ZvT shouldn't be structured this way.. It'll lead to a lot more stupid ZvT games as if there aren't enough of those already. The point is that hatch first means you get to place a spinecrawler at the natural which will mean you can actually defend the all in.
FEing and having a spine crawler doesn't even necessarily mean you can defend the all-in either. Speed won't be finished. And whose to say that you'll be able to FE if the Terran blocks the hatch? Are you saying that Terran can just block the natural and induce pool first play, and then all marine SCV all-in? That's the dumbest thing ever.
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On December 11 2010 19:51 cHaNg-sTa wrote:
FEing and having a spine crawler doesn't even necessarily mean you can defend the all-in either.
True, but it is the best Idra, Ret and other good zergs have been able to come up with.
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On December 11 2010 20:08 Robstickle wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 19:51 cHaNg-sTa wrote:
FEing and having a spine crawler doesn't even necessarily mean you can defend the all-in either. True, but it is the best Idra, Ret and other good zergs have been able to come up with.
I've noticed that a lot of them have been starting to do JulyZerg's build which is Get Zergling speed before hatch.
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On December 11 2010 20:39 BetterFasterStronger wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 20:08 Robstickle wrote:On December 11 2010 19:51 cHaNg-sTa wrote:
FEing and having a spine crawler doesn't even necessarily mean you can defend the all-in either. True, but it is the best Idra, Ret and other good zergs have been able to come up with. I've noticed that a lot of them have been starting to do JulyZerg's build which is Get Zergling speed before hatch.
This is not July's build. It's been around for forever. Reason guys do this ZvT is if they can't get hatch down before scout blocks it. Just because you saw July doing it doesn't mean it's new or the best. In ZvP it's very common because of pylon cannon 24/7 to block hatch.
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IdrA listens to some good music. I wonder if anyone could post his playlist.
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Whats with quitting everytime Idra gets matched up with oGs Top? He can't beat him or?
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LOL @ IDRA
"Death Threat free environment " Bam shot at huk
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On December 11 2010 22:50 Reapka wrote:
IdrA listens to some good music. I wonder if anyone could post his playlist.
Only himself could do that, unless someone has been watching the stream and taking notes of every single song lol.
Anyways, zergling speed is so good agains this marine rushes, it really makes your zerglings 2 times more efective, also the lings have a faster attack cooldown than marines (0.7 i think) so once your next to the marines you can also move+attack micro with them. The problem with ling speed is that in most situations is too late, and if you go for it so fast you sacrifice so much economy.
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On December 11 2010 22:52 Mitchlew wrote:
Whats with quitting everytime Idra gets matched up with oGs Top? He can't beat him or?
It's more like he quits on DQ anytime he gets matched up against T
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I hope you are the one to figure out how to stop the bunker rushing idra.
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Quickly unmuted the sound on the stream. I was pleasantly surprised to hear MSI.
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Did Idra win or lose the game where he early pooled HuK?
I watched the scrap station game between them. So much fun when its streamer vs. streamer.
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On December 11 2010 21:10 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2010 20:39 BetterFasterStronger wrote:On December 11 2010 20:08 Robstickle wrote:On December 11 2010 19:51 cHaNg-sTa wrote:
FEing and having a spine crawler doesn't even necessarily mean you can defend the all-in either. True, but it is the best Idra, Ret and other good zergs have been able to come up with. I've noticed that a lot of them have been starting to do JulyZerg's build which is Get Zergling speed before hatch. This is not July's build. It's been around for forever. Reason guys do this ZvT is if they can't get hatch down before scout blocks it. Just because you saw July doing it doesn't mean it's new or the best. In ZvP it's very common because of pylon cannon 24/7 to block hatch.
Every zerg went speed first every game when reapers were still viable and now its julyzergs build? lols.
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On December 12 2010 04:42 MOOG wrote:
Did Idra win or lose the game where he early pooled HuK?
I watched the scrap station game between them. So much fun when its streamer vs. streamer.
Yes he won. The stream chat then said that HuK blocked IdrA, but I can't read Korean to confirm or deny that. Seems a bit hypocritical if so if he responds that bad to an all-in when it isn't himself doing it.
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Huk did in fact block idra for a while, I watched him do it.
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Since I saw you reading this thread on your stream, I will type something I've been thinking about for a long time. It's about why you, IdrA, are my favorite SC2 player.
1: Personality
Back in your BW days, I hated you. I saw a protoss lose a reaver to you and you said "thanks" which was really fucking douchey. Losing a reaver is really frustrating, and that was just pouring salt into his wound. However, it seems to me like you're much better now. Yes, people still consider you BM, but imo you mostly BM when it's justified these days. For example, saying that Terran and Terran players were " a joke " in 1.00 was true. Their race DID require less skill, and they WERE less skilled than their Zerg counterparts.
I love how you always tell the truth, and your opinion. I think everyone should be like that, and I despise people who despise you for being "bm" on the forums. I'm exactly the same in RL conversations. Not only did you say that T was OP when they were (they were dominating tourneys) but you also admitted that your OWN race (Protoss) was OP when they were OP.
Oh, and you don't show any mercy to religious people who ignore facts and are ignorant. =)
2: Playstyle
Fruitdealer's style is organic and fluid. IdrA's style is metallic and mechanic, and I don't mean this in a bad way. Fruitdealer is magic, IdrA is technology. Fruitdealer is Bisu, IdrA is Stork. If I had to draw IdrA's playstyle on a paper, I'd draw a perfectly symmretical sphere or cube. Sleek, symmretical, mathematical, elegant, logical. IdrA's playstyle actually reminds me of crystals, which of course are extremely beautiful in their symmetry and pattern
![[image loading]](http://www.mare.ee/indrek/ephi/pef2/sphere.png)
IdrA's playstyle illustrated
3: Forum posting
I know you've said that you rarely troll, but that people just aren't ready for the truth. Most of the time, this is true. However, you have to admit, sometimes you do troll. And when you do, it's epic.
In the thread regarding the pope admitting that Galileo was right, you said "They'll catch up to ancient Greece any day now". While that is true, it's also very troll-esque to say it the way you did.
Basically, you never troll by saying something that is not true on purpose, but you do state your opinions, and facts, in quite a troll-esque manner from time to time.
I also fucking love how you just MERCILESSLY bash people who are wrong. You don't give people the truth on a silver plate - you smash it in their face. If someone doesn't know what he's talking about, yet acts like he does, you will pwn him. And it's hilariously epic to read.
Sometimes I go to 100 page long threads and just CTRL + F search IdrA on every page, because your posts are so fucking hilarious. :D
4: Honour.
While I don't know you personally, you are the last person I would imagine cheating or accepting an unfair advantage. Yes, I read the "Foreigners suck" thread where you accepted a tourney game win after someone disconnected, but that was back when I hated you anyway. I honestly believe you would never do something like that anymore.
You are the type of person who would never cheat to avoid ladder or tournament losses. You would never maphack. You would never resume when someone has to pause the game for a few minutes.
I used to hate you (Got tempbanned for a post I did in this thread earlier, where I said I hope you get bashed with a shovel), but now I respect you a lot, and you are my favorite SC2 player. I don't even watch SC2 because I find it boring as a spectator-sport, but I watch games you play, and I watch your stream.
And last but not least, FUCKING WIN A GSL! I know you are capable of doing it, and it would shut up all the dumbass Husky fanboys who say you're not good like Jinro shuts up scrub Terrans who say T can't play a macro based game.
In other words, it wouldn't shut them up at all because people are fucking stupid, but it would still be awesome.
If you actually read all of that, thanks, and I hope you enjoyed it 
+ Show Spoiler +Please don't hate me for playing P in BW. I would play Z as they suit me better, but I can't stand ZvZ. At least I switched to Zerg in SC2 after going through P and T because I just couldn't keep my self respect intact while playing those races.
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[Re: my post on Idra's name etymology...]
To the guy(s) calling someone else a dweeb on an internet forum about video games: it's sorta like the pot calling the kettle black, don't you think?
All I was doing was attempting to compliment Idra on his sophisticated name choice (rather than, say, choosing an inane name like TSL-Killer or NesTea). Adding my qualifications for the sake of legitimacy should have helped the situation not muddled it. Sure, if you really wanted to know about his name you could have googled it and gone to the Wikipedia page, which, by the way, is incorrect and has indrajit phonetically pronounced as indrajeet.
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