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On October 28 2013 07:45 Kaiwa wrote: I would also say that the hate might be misdirected. Do people really believe that Hyuna is in full control of how she gets portrayed? lol.
do you really believe she's a slave and has no say whatsoever? lol.
Well obviously you'd have to go to full extremes to invalidate my argument. I will empathize the words, just for you.
Do people really believe that Hyuna is in full control of how she gets portrayed?
So no, I don't believe she's a slave and in fact has say in whatever she wants or doesn't want.
Hope this kind of arguing works out for you in the real world though.
your implication was that she was contractually forced into doing these types of concepts and promotions, or whatever management feels would work out best for her.
pretty sure if she thinks something is too radical she'd say something about it. lest you mistake that for another extreme criticism of your statement, I'll spell it out for you - even though she might not be fully satisfied with the concept, she finds it acceptable enough to do an entire promotion around the theme. the current hate may be misdirected, but probably not in the way you implied.
WTF. I just saw the troublemaker video and don't see anything really wrong with it? Perhaps I would like to see something more original or something more 'kpop' instead of a copy of trashy American imagery. Still have to see how they do the choreography in live shows to judge but the first troublemaker dance was so trashy and sexy at the same time.
My biggest gripe though, and this is connected to what i wrote above, is this is the same type of video that Rhianna would make. The important difference is we know Rhianna walks the talk. Abusive relationships, substance abuse, that sort of thing has been prevalent throughout Rhianna's career. It's a part of her. She makes it authentic.
Hyuna is just glorifying a lifestyle that I'm not even sure she understands. To me that seems fake. It's possible that she's an alcoholic pothead backstage but I don't really believe that.
That is indeed what I am implying. I'm not saying she was, for certain, contractually forced. But she could have (partially) been pushed to situations where she was at least not fully comfortable. The reason why I added that the hate "might" be misdirected.
Aside from all this, I don't even see the need for hate in the first place.
On October 28 2013 09:21 gg_hertzz wrote: The important difference is we know Rhianna walks the talk. Abusive relationships, substance abuse, that sort of thing has been prevalent throughout Rhianna's career. It's a part of her. She makes it authentic.
Hyuna is just glorifying a lifestyle that I'm not even sure she understands. To me that seems fake. It's possible that she's an alcoholic pothead backstage but I don't really believe that.
Why does it need to be authentic? It's entertainment. When has entertainment ever been about being authentic. Pretty sure Tom Cruise has never killed a guy either. People are reading in to this way to much, it's K-pop for crying out loud.
Thoughts on the new Troublemaker video: 1) how much did Budweiser pay to get there name to smack you across the face the whole video and 2) Hyunseung throws like a girl
On October 28 2013 07:45 Kaiwa wrote: I would also say that the hate might be misdirected. Do people really believe that Hyuna is in full control of how she gets portrayed? lol.
do you really believe she's a slave and has no say whatsoever? lol.
Well obviously you'd have to go to full extremes to invalidate my argument. I will empathize the words, just for you.
Do people really believe that Hyuna is in full control of how she gets portrayed?
So no, I don't believe she's a slave and in fact has say in whatever she wants or doesn't want.
Hope this kind of arguing works out for you in the real world though.
your implication was that she was contractually forced into doing these types of concepts and promotions, or whatever management feels would work out best for her.
pretty sure if she thinks something is too radical she'd say something about it. lest you mistake that for another extreme criticism of your statement, I'll spell it out for you - even though she might not be fully satisfied with the concept, she finds it acceptable enough to do an entire promotion around the theme. the current hate may be misdirected, but probably not in the way you implied.
This is just simply wrong. I don't usually post here, but just this once i will. She has no choice, thats just the way korea works. Subordinates obey higher officials without question. Questioning someone's orders is viewed as disobedience and is a huge taboo in korea. I suggest you stop thinking like every country works like america.
On BoA: That girl is the epitome of kpop to me. She's awesome. Do the Motion is still one of my all time fave's. Funniest part is how it's like what? 10+ yrs later? And she still looks the same as when she started.
On Hyuna: I agree with Cyric. I also don't think it's a majority. I think it's just a very vocal minority, who for some reason gets offended if a girl ever expresses the fact that at some point in their lives girls do in fact have sex with guys. And that it might be something you can talk about and address and even celebrate.
Brown Eyed Girls have dealt with much more adult themes than Hyuna. Ga-In is even more overtly sexualized. Hyori Lee has pranced around in just as skimpy outfits. She's done skits on TV shows that are just as suggestive. There is no reason to single out Hyuna. And it's way over the top for people to call her trailer trash. Judging other people as an anon on the internet and resorting to that kind of language is far trashier behavior imo.
My guess is, when all is said and done, Hyuna's going to be living in a way nicer house with way more respect from society than the people calling her all these terrible names.
On October 28 2013 07:45 Kaiwa wrote: I would also say that the hate might be misdirected. Do people really believe that Hyuna is in full control of how she gets portrayed? lol.
do you really believe she's a slave and has no say whatsoever? lol.
Well obviously you'd have to go to full extremes to invalidate my argument. I will empathize the words, just for you.
Do people really believe that Hyuna is in full control of how she gets portrayed?
So no, I don't believe she's a slave and in fact has say in whatever she wants or doesn't want.
Hope this kind of arguing works out for you in the real world though.
your implication was that she was contractually forced into doing these types of concepts and promotions, or whatever management feels would work out best for her.
pretty sure if she thinks something is too radical she'd say something about it. lest you mistake that for another extreme criticism of your statement, I'll spell it out for you - even though she might not be fully satisfied with the concept, she finds it acceptable enough to do an entire promotion around the theme. the current hate may be misdirected, but probably not in the way you implied.
This is just simply wrong. I don't usually post here, but just this once i will. She has no choice, thats just the way korea works. Subordinates obey higher officials without question. Questioning someone's orders is viewed as disobedience and is a huge taboo in korea. I suggest you stop thinking like every country works like america.
I suggest you stop thinking every person and corporation works the same way in korea.
On October 28 2013 07:45 Kaiwa wrote: I would also say that the hate might be misdirected. Do people really believe that Hyuna is in full control of how she gets portrayed? lol.
do you really believe she's a slave and has no say whatsoever? lol.
Well obviously you'd have to go to full extremes to invalidate my argument. I will empathize the words, just for you.
Do people really believe that Hyuna is in full control of how she gets portrayed?
So no, I don't believe she's a slave and in fact has say in whatever she wants or doesn't want.
Hope this kind of arguing works out for you in the real world though.
your implication was that she was contractually forced into doing these types of concepts and promotions, or whatever management feels would work out best for her.
pretty sure if she thinks something is too radical she'd say something about it. lest you mistake that for another extreme criticism of your statement, I'll spell it out for you - even though she might not be fully satisfied with the concept, she finds it acceptable enough to do an entire promotion around the theme. the current hate may be misdirected, but probably not in the way you implied.
This is just simply wrong. I don't usually post here, but just this once i will. She has no choice, thats just the way korea works. Subordinates obey higher officials without question. Questioning someone's orders is viewed as disobedience and is a huge taboo in korea. I suggest you stop thinking like every country works like america.
i think ur right I've always wondered why we never see people bitching about contracts, or people leaving their parent companies for new ones and making loud press releases about how they're suppressed and mistreated oh well, gosh darn those hardline confucian ethics!
On October 28 2013 07:45 Kaiwa wrote: I would also say that the hate might be misdirected. Do people really believe that Hyuna is in full control of how she gets portrayed? lol.
do you really believe she's a slave and has no say whatsoever? lol.
Well obviously you'd have to go to full extremes to invalidate my argument. I will empathize the words, just for you.
Do people really believe that Hyuna is in full control of how she gets portrayed?
So no, I don't believe she's a slave and in fact has say in whatever she wants or doesn't want.
Hope this kind of arguing works out for you in the real world though.
your implication was that she was contractually forced into doing these types of concepts and promotions, or whatever management feels would work out best for her.
pretty sure if she thinks something is too radical she'd say something about it. lest you mistake that for another extreme criticism of your statement, I'll spell it out for you - even though she might not be fully satisfied with the concept, she finds it acceptable enough to do an entire promotion around the theme. the current hate may be misdirected, but probably not in the way you implied.
This is just simply wrong. I don't usually post here, but just this once i will. She has no choice, thats just the way korea works. Subordinates obey higher officials without question. Questioning someone's orders is viewed as disobedience and is a huge taboo in korea. I suggest you stop thinking like every country works like america.
i think ur right I've always wondered why we never see people bitching about contracts, or people leaving their parent companies for new ones and making loud press releases about how they're suppressed and mistreated oh well, gosh darn those hardline confucian ethics!
thanks for posting this once!
Of course not everyone agrees with the hardline ethics, (e.g jyj). But what are the chances of hyuna being one of those ever so small minority who stands up for her beliefs? Let me be clear, i don't think she thought about what is or isn't acceptable. I think, like everyone else in this industry, she just cares about making bank and anything else like morality means jackshit. And of course, that aim aligns with her management so there is no conflict really. Heck, i'm sure she or anyone else is willing to go full american mv if it meant big money.
On October 28 2013 07:45 Kaiwa wrote: I would also say that the hate might be misdirected. Do people really believe that Hyuna is in full control of how she gets portrayed? lol.
do you really believe she's a slave and has no say whatsoever? lol.
Well obviously you'd have to go to full extremes to invalidate my argument. I will empathize the words, just for you.
Do people really believe that Hyuna is in full control of how she gets portrayed?
So no, I don't believe she's a slave and in fact has say in whatever she wants or doesn't want.
Hope this kind of arguing works out for you in the real world though.
your implication was that she was contractually forced into doing these types of concepts and promotions, or whatever management feels would work out best for her.
pretty sure if she thinks something is too radical she'd say something about it. lest you mistake that for another extreme criticism of your statement, I'll spell it out for you - even though she might not be fully satisfied with the concept, she finds it acceptable enough to do an entire promotion around the theme. the current hate may be misdirected, but probably not in the way you implied.
This is just simply wrong. I don't usually post here, but just this once i will. She has no choice, thats just the way korea works. Subordinates obey higher officials without question. Questioning someone's orders is viewed as disobedience and is a huge taboo in korea. I suggest you stop thinking like every country works like america.
I suggest you stop thinking every person and corporation works the same way in korea.
Don't comment if you don't understand the culture. The vast majority would act the way sharky said, especially in a corporate environment with older males calling the shots.
On October 28 2013 06:06 SojoX wrote: Misogynistic labels are fast becoming the new racist label. You can throw it around all you want, doesn't make it a reality.
Anyways, I don't care what labels get thrown around I'm calling it for what it is. I've got nothing against Hyuna and wish her the best but as evidenced with the whole Miley debacle you can only push so far before people just think it's freakish. If that's what they're going for, so be it. But again, you have to suck up and take responsibility for your actions (even if directed by those above you). Simple as that. It's ironic how much people complain about other throwing around their morals onto others when they're doing the same thing but trying to label them things that will try and shut them up. Sorry that's not how free speech and debate works.
And let's take this to an entirely different direction, that MV clearly shows two broken people in an abusive relationship and, by making it "sexy," basically glorifies it. So if that becomes the new "normal" you're gonna have a lot of confused people growing up on this.
In the end though it's a MV and thus not the end of the world. It is sad to me though that the people who create this think this is good entertainment.
And Miley got talked about for the first time in years, she released a music video that got people's attention, and her songs are doing pretty well. It's the same with Cube here. They know what they're doing. They get a lot of abuse on the internets but people bought the shit out of the last Troublemaker release and will do the same with this one. The thing is that sex sells. GsD now are selling far better than when they did the over the top aegyo act, and Dal Shabet got talked about again for perhaps the first time since Supa Dupa Diva when they did their skirt-stripping dance.
@Hallowed- I think he knows that, and that's why public is in quotes.
I kind of agree with Cyric, not just about this issue and not just on here but I find that people tend to take Korean netizens views of things on certain issues, especially regarding sexuality and relationships. It's kinda what i was trying to get at yesterday when I said that people tend to buy into the kpop storylines a bit too much. I find it weird cause half of this behavior could be done in a western MV and not experience any backlash but as soon as it's Koreans doing it everyone's all up in arms.
It's simple really.
Cultural differences and their view on sexuality and relationships is different. Koreans in general are more reserve and more proper(meaning they like to be "clean" and no scandal)whereas in the US they are more open to stuff like this.
Song was meh. Troublemaker had a catchier tone overall. Choreography- Have to wait for a dance version to decide.
On October 28 2013 07:45 Kaiwa wrote: I would also say that the hate might be misdirected. Do people really believe that Hyuna is in full control of how she gets portrayed? lol.
do you really believe she's a slave and has no say whatsoever? lol.
Well obviously you'd have to go to full extremes to invalidate my argument. I will empathize the words, just for you.
Do people really believe that Hyuna is in full control of how she gets portrayed?
So no, I don't believe she's a slave and in fact has say in whatever she wants or doesn't want.
Hope this kind of arguing works out for you in the real world though.
your implication was that she was contractually forced into doing these types of concepts and promotions, or whatever management feels would work out best for her.
pretty sure if she thinks something is too radical she'd say something about it. lest you mistake that for another extreme criticism of your statement, I'll spell it out for you - even though she might not be fully satisfied with the concept, she finds it acceptable enough to do an entire promotion around the theme. the current hate may be misdirected, but probably not in the way you implied.
This is just simply wrong. I don't usually post here, but just this once i will. She has no choice, thats just the way korea works. Subordinates obey higher officials without question. Questioning someone's orders is viewed as disobedience and is a huge taboo in korea. I suggest you stop thinking like every country works like america.
I suggest you stop thinking every person and corporation works the same way in korea.
Don't comment if you don't understand the culture. The vast majority would act the way sharky said, especially in a corporate environment with older males calling the shots.
You are saying that to a Korean that currently lives in Korea, lmao.
Not that I agree or disagree with anything in this entire discussion, I don't really care, I just found this little part to be hilarious.
On October 28 2013 06:06 SojoX wrote: Misogynistic labels are fast becoming the new racist label. You can throw it around all you want, doesn't make it a reality.
Anyways, I don't care what labels get thrown around I'm calling it for what it is. I've got nothing against Hyuna and wish her the best but as evidenced with the whole Miley debacle you can only push so far before people just think it's freakish. If that's what they're going for, so be it. But again, you have to suck up and take responsibility for your actions (even if directed by those above you). Simple as that. It's ironic how much people complain about other throwing around their morals onto others when they're doing the same thing but trying to label them things that will try and shut them up. Sorry that's not how free speech and debate works.
And let's take this to an entirely different direction, that MV clearly shows two broken people in an abusive relationship and, by making it "sexy," basically glorifies it. So if that becomes the new "normal" you're gonna have a lot of confused people growing up on this.
In the end though it's a MV and thus not the end of the world. It is sad to me though that the people who create this think this is good entertainment.
And Miley got talked about for the first time in years, she released a music video that got people's attention, and her songs are doing pretty well. It's the same with Cube here. They know what they're doing. They get a lot of abuse on the internets but people bought the shit out of the last Troublemaker release and will do the same with this one. The thing is that sex sells. GsD now are selling far better than when they did the over the top aegyo act, and Dal Shabet got talked about again for perhaps the first time since Supa Dupa Diva when they did their skirt-stripping dance.
@Hallowed- I think he knows that, and that's why public is in quotes.
I kind of agree with Cyric, not just about this issue and not just on here but I find that people tend to take Korean netizens views of things on certain issues, especially regarding sexuality and relationships. It's kinda what i was trying to get at yesterday when I said that people tend to buy into the kpop storylines a bit too much. I find it weird cause half of this behavior could be done in a western MV and not experience any backlash but as soon as it's Koreans doing it everyone's all up in arms.
It's simple really.
Cultural differences and their view on sexuality and relationships is different. Koreans in general are more reserve and more proper(meaning they like to be "clean" and no scandal)whereas in the US they are more open to stuff like this.
Song was meh. Troublemaker had a catchier tone overall. Choreography- Have to wait for a dance version to decide.
Wait what? I pointed out that sex sells in Korea as well. While they may (or the internet may) condemn it they bought the shit out of it. And Cube knows it. As for my second bit, I was talking about the foreign fan reaction, not the Korean fan reaction.
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