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DwD
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden8621 Posts
May 27 2013 12:33 GMT
#95381
Fuck you KKS
~ T-ARA ~ DREAMCATCHER ~ EVERGLOW ~ OH MY GIRL ~ DIA ~ BOL4 ~ CHUNGHA ~
Synapze
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada563 Posts
May 27 2013 12:49 GMT
#95382
I'll be honest.. I made popcorn before starting that youtube clip.. 10/10.
Yuri Victoria LMJ ~♥
Portvilla
Profile Joined October 2012
United States42 Posts
May 27 2013 13:12 GMT
#95383
Seems like the perfect time to start a discussion on how the kpop scene is going atm.

Focusing on the girl side, I don't even want to start a conversation on how a female group/artist can break into the US market. The language barrier/completely different culture in how they act/dress/dance makes it impossible to do so. But lately, the songs have just been really stale this year . There have been no standouts, and the girls just keep doing their same old cutesy dance with no vocal abilities whatsoever.

Is the flimsy foundation of bad vocals and good looks that kpop is built on starting to show for anyone else....or am I just having a mid-life-kpop-crisis? help??
Have you ever wondered which hurts the most: saying something and wishing you had not, or saying nothing, and wishing you had?.....and yeah all that <3 Yoona + Tiffany shit bla bla bla
klogg
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden800 Posts
May 27 2013 13:20 GMT
#95384
You are just seeing K-pop for what it is for the first time.
http://fiddle.se/ - @klogglol
Cubu
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1171 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 13:30:20
May 27 2013 13:21 GMT
#95385
On May 27 2013 13:58 Cramsy wrote:

CrispiCrunch maintain to be the only group who look like they actually enjoy what they're doing

Also, what's Italy's problem with Korea?

sorry for being off topic but
They got screwed over by the referee in korea vs italy match in 2002 world cup. Also, that match against spain and portugal really made it suspicious that the ref might have been bribed to favour. I want to believe that it was just stupid refereeing, but with korea having quite a history with corruption, i wouldn't be surprised if the ref was bribed.
Wesso
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands1245 Posts
May 27 2013 13:40 GMT
#95386
On May 27 2013 22:12 Portvilla wrote:
Seems like the perfect time to start a discussion on how the kpop scene is going atm.

Focusing on the girl side, I don't even want to start a conversation on how a female group/artist can break into the US market. The language barrier/completely different culture in how they act/dress/dance makes it impossible to do so. But lately, the songs have just been really stale this year . There have been no standouts, and the girls just keep doing their same old cutesy dance with no vocal abilities whatsoever.

Is the flimsy foundation of bad vocals and good looks that kpop is built on starting to show for anyone else....or am I just having a mid-life-kpop-crisis? help??


I think the quantity of groups is sending so much static you can't be brainwashed into liking groups anymore. At least, that's the case for me, I like almost any group if I see enough of them on variety shows/music shows etc. Nowadays I just listen to almost everything from the girl group albums once and get the 2 songs I like, I don't really care which group anymore (or not for long anyway).
Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
May 27 2013 13:46 GMT
#95387
CCM confirmed absolute worst Kpop company. How could they do that to T-ara man....Everyone knew this was going to be a trainwreck, but this is new levels of disaster.
화이탱!! @moonsoshi9
Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
May 27 2013 13:50 GMT
#95388
On May 27 2013 22:12 Portvilla wrote:
Seems like the perfect time to start a discussion on how the kpop scene is going atm.

Focusing on the girl side, I don't even want to start a conversation on how a female group/artist can break into the US market. The language barrier/completely different culture in how they act/dress/dance makes it impossible to do so. But lately, the songs have just been really stale this year . There have been no standouts, and the girls just keep doing their same old cutesy dance with no vocal abilities whatsoever.

Is the flimsy foundation of bad vocals and good looks that kpop is built on starting to show for anyone else....or am I just having a mid-life-kpop-crisis? help??


I don't think the scene is more stale now than it used to be. Compared these two videoes:

Shinhwa 2001:
+ Show Spoiler +


Shinhwa 2013:
+ Show Spoiler +


It is still basicly a boy band dancing in sync. Not that it is a bad thing though. The appeal of k-pop is that it is kitch, and works as an outlet for peoples bad taste. It can be very liberating to listen to k-pop because what you see it was you get, which is hot girls singing and dancing in a commercial context. Nothing more, nothing less.
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
May 27 2013 13:51 GMT
#95389
So am I getting this right, Chris Brown was suppose to perform with them but he bailed and the DJ went full retard with his shit mixing instead?
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
Synapze
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada563 Posts
May 27 2013 13:59 GMT
#95390
Man that old school shinhwa song really makes me nostalgic.. I have no idea WHERE I heard it.. but it's so familiar. I think my brother might have shown it to me when I was like.. 10..
Yuri Victoria LMJ ~♥
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
May 27 2013 14:06 GMT
#95391
On May 27 2013 22:21 Cubu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 13:58 Cramsy wrote:

CrispiCrunch maintain to be the only group who look like they actually enjoy what they're doing

Also, what's Italy's problem with Korea?

sorry for being off topic but
They got screwed over by the referee in korea vs italy match in 2002 world cup. Also, that match against spain and portugal really made it suspicious that the ref might have been bribed to favour. I want to believe that it was just stupid refereeing, but with korea having quite a history with corruption, i wouldn't be surprised if the ref was bribed.


this, old grudge from WC 2002, but I also read that they had to pay 180€ instead of 100€ for the tickets just because Psy was performing, I would be pissed, too.

It's also well known that Italy has a big amount of racist football fans,so the situation shouldn't blow up, because of a few assholes.
shin_toss
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines2589 Posts
May 27 2013 14:22 GMT
#95392
wtf CCM

..btw

AKMU / IU
Portvilla
Profile Joined October 2012
United States42 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 15:25:35
May 27 2013 15:25 GMT
#95393
On May 27 2013 22:50 Prog455 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 22:12 Portvilla wrote:
Seems like the perfect time to start a discussion on how the kpop scene is going atm.

Focusing on the girl side, I don't even want to start a conversation on how a female group/artist can break into the US market. The language barrier/completely different culture in how they act/dress/dance makes it impossible to do so. But lately, the songs have just been really stale this year . There have been no standouts, and the girls just keep doing their same old cutesy dance with no vocal abilities whatsoever.

Is the flimsy foundation of bad vocals and good looks that kpop is built on starting to show for anyone else....or am I just having a mid-life-kpop-crisis? help??


I don't think the scene is more stale now than it used to be. Compared these two videoes:

Shinhwa 2001:
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxlXwKY825I


Shinhwa 2013:
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45wH_HHnJBg


It is still basicly a boy band dancing in sync. Not that it is a bad thing though. The appeal of k-pop is that it is kitch, and works as an outlet for peoples bad taste. It can be very liberating to listen to k-pop because what you see it was you get, which is hot girls singing and dancing in a commercial context. Nothing more, nothing less.

Yeah, I guess I might have to accept the fact that i'm slowly losing my interest in these new groups...and I guess that means Kpop altogether...


Well at least it gave me TVXQ and Ailee and Taeyeon so I'm happy
Have you ever wondered which hurts the most: saying something and wishing you had not, or saying nothing, and wishing you had?.....and yeah all that <3 Yoona + Tiffany shit bla bla bla
kakaman
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1576 Posts
May 27 2013 15:40 GMT
#95394
[image loading]

T-ara taking pics with convicted felons! Hard as hell yo
SamsungStar
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States912 Posts
May 27 2013 15:45 GMT
#95395
On May 27 2013 22:20 klogg wrote:
You are just seeing K-pop for what it is for the first time.


Yes, this is what Kpop has always been. Pretty girls trained in a robotic sort of way to do heavily choreographed dances, which they continue to do repeatedly in every live performance with very little innovation or variation in style. In a very sophisticated and competitive market like the USA, the shallow and stagnant nature of Kpop becomes quite apparent.

You contrast their performances, which are literally just recreations of the dances in their MVs with the kinds of performances put on by Lady Gaga, Rihanna, Britney Spears, Beyonce, etc, and what point is there to ever be interested in kpop?

The only real draw for Kpop for foreigners is the fact that they're singing in a language you don't understand with a different aesthetic to the one you're used to, therefore you are one step removed from the shallow, vapidness of it all. That allows you to enjoy it without realizing how mindnumbingly stupid the lyrics are, whereas with songs in English most of you understand it quite well and realize it's mostly doodoo.

Another possible reason is that as Asian-American/Europeans, there is a sense of pride and desire to see people of your own ethnicity playing the pop star. And listening to Kpop is a sort of Asian pride thing.

But even so, at least in American pop, a singer tends to have one specific identity as an artist and writes/performs songs that fit their image. Pink is all rebellious rocker chick. Kesha is ironic party girl. Rihanna is soulful yet dysfunctional bad girl. Britney is fierce girl power. Nicki Minaj is a maniacal BBW rapper.

But then you look at Kpop and most of the groups are downright schizophrenic. They have no identity at all. One song they're going for a "cute concept." The next it's a "sexy concept." After that they're pretending to be middle schoolers. There's no rhyme or reason to it, other than what sort of tune gets tossed their way by the producers/companies. And that leads to shallow music, because the girls are really just glorified back-up singers/dancers.

You know 100% when a Rihanna, Mariah Carey, or Adele song starts to play. Can you say the same for APink? Orange Caramel? Secret? I often find myself really really liking one song from a group. Then the next single they release is pure crap. And why? Because the girls aren't responsible for the music. Some producer is who gets shuffled off to release a track for another group the next month. There are a few exceptions to this. IU is distinctive. Ailee is a knockoff beyonce but at least I know when I hear Beyonce in korean it's probably Ailee. BEG have their own distinct style. There are a few that stand out, but by and large the majority of Kpop is really generic and interchangeable.

All the same, I do like Kpop and find the colorfulness and choreographed dancing etc to be entertaining in their own sort of way. But do I think it will play well in a country that prizes individuality and creativity like the USA? Hell no.
Doulmaigus
Profile Joined October 2012
France352 Posts
May 27 2013 16:03 GMT
#95396
Interesting points. Some Kpop groups developed a real identity though in my opinion. I'm talking about the ones that stick to their original style even though the producers change everytime, I suppose they have like intructions or such in order not to get out of the line. I'm thinking about f(x) for example which always had the same image as far as I know.

On May 27 2013 18:09 Wesso wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +


I really like this song, not big on the other ones.

I actually really like this one, I didn't want to listen to the album because Miss Korea and Bad Girl didn't impress me that much, but now I'm more interested.
klogg
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden800 Posts
May 27 2013 16:58 GMT
#95397
Actual talent in K-pop.
http://fiddle.se/ - @klogglol
.DrK
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada326 Posts
May 27 2013 17:30 GMT
#95398
On May 28 2013 00:45 SamsungStar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 22:20 klogg wrote:
You are just seeing K-pop for what it is for the first time.


Yes, this is what Kpop has always been. Pretty girls trained in a robotic sort of way to do heavily choreographed dances, which they continue to do repeatedly in every live performance with very little innovation or variation in style. In a very sophisticated and competitive market like the USA, the shallow and stagnant nature of Kpop becomes quite apparent.

You contrast their performances, which are literally just recreations of the dances in their MVs with the kinds of performances put on by Lady Gaga, Rihanna, Britney Spears, Beyonce, etc, and what point is there to ever be interested in kpop?

The only real draw for Kpop for foreigners is the fact that they're singing in a language you don't understand with a different aesthetic to the one you're used to, therefore you are one step removed from the shallow, vapidness of it all. That allows you to enjoy it without realizing how mindnumbingly stupid the lyrics are, whereas with songs in English most of you understand it quite well and realize it's mostly doodoo.

Another possible reason is that as Asian-American/Europeans, there is a sense of pride and desire to see people of your own ethnicity playing the pop star. And listening to Kpop is a sort of Asian pride thing.

But even so, at least in American pop, a singer tends to have one specific identity as an artist and writes/performs songs that fit their image. Pink is all rebellious rocker chick. Kesha is ironic party girl. Rihanna is soulful yet dysfunctional bad girl. Britney is fierce girl power. Nicki Minaj is a maniacal BBW rapper.

But then you look at Kpop and most of the groups are downright schizophrenic. They have no identity at all. One song they're going for a "cute concept." The next it's a "sexy concept." After that they're pretending to be middle schoolers. There's no rhyme or reason to it, other than what sort of tune gets tossed their way by the producers/companies. And that leads to shallow music, because the girls are really just glorified back-up singers/dancers.

You know 100% when a Rihanna, Mariah Carey, or Adele song starts to play. Can you say the same for APink? Orange Caramel? Secret? I often find myself really really liking one song from a group. Then the next single they release is pure crap. And why? Because the girls aren't responsible for the music. Some producer is who gets shuffled off to release a track for another group the next month. There are a few exceptions to this. IU is distinctive. Ailee is a knockoff beyonce but at least I know when I hear Beyonce in korean it's probably Ailee. BEG have their own distinct style. There are a few that stand out, but by and large the majority of Kpop is really generic and interchangeable.

All the same, I do like Kpop and find the colorfulness and choreographed dancing etc to be entertaining in their own sort of way. But do I think it will play well in a country that prizes individuality and creativity like the USA? Hell no.


sums up my thoughts on why i don't enjoy k-pop minus a few exceptions.
Sephy90
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1785 Posts
May 27 2013 17:47 GMT
#95399
On May 28 2013 02:30 .DrK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 00:45 SamsungStar wrote:
On May 27 2013 22:20 klogg wrote:
You are just seeing K-pop for what it is for the first time.


Yes, this is what Kpop has always been. Pretty girls trained in a robotic sort of way to do heavily choreographed dances, which they continue to do repeatedly in every live performance with very little innovation or variation in style. In a very sophisticated and competitive market like the USA, the shallow and stagnant nature of Kpop becomes quite apparent.

You contrast their performances, which are literally just recreations of the dances in their MVs with the kinds of performances put on by Lady Gaga, Rihanna, Britney Spears, Beyonce, etc, and what point is there to ever be interested in kpop?

The only real draw for Kpop for foreigners is the fact that they're singing in a language you don't understand with a different aesthetic to the one you're used to, therefore you are one step removed from the shallow, vapidness of it all. That allows you to enjoy it without realizing how mindnumbingly stupid the lyrics are, whereas with songs in English most of you understand it quite well and realize it's mostly doodoo.

Another possible reason is that as Asian-American/Europeans, there is a sense of pride and desire to see people of your own ethnicity playing the pop star. And listening to Kpop is a sort of Asian pride thing.

But even so, at least in American pop, a singer tends to have one specific identity as an artist and writes/performs songs that fit their image. Pink is all rebellious rocker chick. Kesha is ironic party girl. Rihanna is soulful yet dysfunctional bad girl. Britney is fierce girl power. Nicki Minaj is a maniacal BBW rapper.

But then you look at Kpop and most of the groups are downright schizophrenic. They have no identity at all. One song they're going for a "cute concept." The next it's a "sexy concept." After that they're pretending to be middle schoolers. There's no rhyme or reason to it, other than what sort of tune gets tossed their way by the producers/companies. And that leads to shallow music, because the girls are really just glorified back-up singers/dancers.

You know 100% when a Rihanna, Mariah Carey, or Adele song starts to play. Can you say the same for APink? Orange Caramel? Secret? I often find myself really really liking one song from a group. Then the next single they release is pure crap. And why? Because the girls aren't responsible for the music. Some producer is who gets shuffled off to release a track for another group the next month. There are a few exceptions to this. IU is distinctive. Ailee is a knockoff beyonce but at least I know when I hear Beyonce in korean it's probably Ailee. BEG have their own distinct style. There are a few that stand out, but by and large the majority of Kpop is really generic and interchangeable.

All the same, I do like Kpop and find the colorfulness and choreographed dancing etc to be entertaining in their own sort of way. But do I think it will play well in a country that prizes individuality and creativity like the USA? Hell no.


sums up my thoughts on why i don't enjoy k-pop minus a few exceptions.

Same here -_- I rarely visit this thread and no interest in any new songs I Feel pretty bad for the girls as well -.-
"So I turned the lights off at night and practiced by myself"
Jarzai
Profile Joined December 2011
United States702 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 18:16:24
May 27 2013 18:11 GMT
#95400
I just check this thread out of routine now, I get off facebook, I get off Twitter, time to check KMD. I can't even watch watch music shows because I literally do not care about anything going on. I'll tune in for a second and it's always some boy group doing some cringey song and I have to x out. I only listen to SNSD really, I still enjoy their music and personalities, so I'm still following them just as much as before, but as for the rest of the scene, I haven't listened to a new song in like... 3 months maybe? I am super pumped for Wolf though. Well I suppose I still like some indie acts, but as for mainstream :x
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