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Even with the free publicity / fans from being a "victim," I don't see her ever having enough pull to even have one successful solo album. I doubt KKS would want to put her back into anything since he's probably the one who wanted her ousted in the first place.
Also remember that KKS, was quite vocal during the Kara incident about barring them from the industry permanently, so there's a reasonable chance he'd try to block her from doing anything.
It's extremely unlikely she is ever permitted back in T-ara, even if allowed to do other things musically. You just rehash all of this drama and cause even more blowback on the group. It's not remotely worth it.
On August 10 2012 19:28 StorkHwaiting wrote: LOL one of the rare moments where I look forward to TuElite posting.
On August 11 2012 01:32 PatouPower wrote: At least TuElite would come up with great write ups and pictures to entertain us all while he defends the group, and he would probably make a lot of people change their mind (at least he did for me shortly after Nicole's long hair debut). I'm pretty sure it happened in the past and I don't think it lasted more than 1 or 2 pages.
Not much to say really regarding the "hate". I don't really feel the flame in me today... and I respect peoples opinion. However, I don't think it's fair to go around calling them bad or whatever if you only base your opinions on their singles. In my opinion, most of their best songs aren't their singles and were never promoted. Therefore I think most people's idea of the group could change if they took the time to truly give their albums a listen.
I think that KPop is more of a personal experience than a musical one, so to speak. At least it was and still is for me. I like the Korean language, I like when it's sung, especially by females. I listen to quiet a lot of Korean ballads and some Hip-Hop but not that much actual Pop music other than KARA. That's because I have some sort of personal connection with KARA. Nicole specifically.
Upon seeing her, it was love at first sight, took one second and I knew I had to find out more about that girl. And so I did. Started watching everything of her that was ever recorded. Listened to every words she said, downloaded every pictures. At first, I wasn't the biggest fan of KARA's music but it grew on me as I learned more and more about Nicole and the rest of the group.
It's obvious that I want to support Nicole as much as I can... Because, part of me relates to her, part of me loves her as a person, and I want to see her grow along with me, I want to see her succeed, break down barriers and be happy. But take Gyuri for example, I never liked her voice. She looks great, but her personality never was attractive to me. That changed last year. The more I've seen of her recently, the more her personality grew on me. I don't really understand her. She always appear calm and collected, she's never the one to shine the brightest, smile the most or attract attention in any ways really. On Twitter, she appears profound, reflective, mature... The whole "goddess" thing, she hasn't been doing that for a while now really... And I think that was some type of front, to hide something, to hide the real her and gather the strength to go on. I don't know, she's interesting. So now I want to see more of her you know, I feel like I almost know Nicole by now but Gyuri is a mystery and an interesting one, even though I don't like her singing.
So yeah, to me it's more about the people than the music, the music is like an added plus when it's actually good. I'm pretty convinced that this is the same for most people, if not every single KPop listener in the world. "Lolly polly lolly lolly polly", Really ? I'm not hating on T-Ara or anything just I don't know, I think that it just all comes down to who you first liked and grew to know. You obviously prefer the group that you know more you know. So yeah... Sorry if I didn't make my thoughts clear, like I said, the flame isn't there today.
Now I'll post some of my favorite KARA songs that weren't singles. I included some of my thoughts and reasons on why I liked each and every songs.
One of their most iconic ballad. A showcase of their singing skills. Particularly fun to watch Live as they put emotions into it quite well. A very good song, I like it a lot.
Also a great ballad, my second favorite KARA ballad. I really enjoy the way Nicole ends the chorus and how it let places to the instrumental to smoothly resume.
Just a fun tune, original tempo and vocals, I like the chorus, especially when Nicole sings the interjected lines. Plus Nicole raps a cool and original little rap that actually fits the song and adds to it nicely. The ending line at 2:28 before the chorus is quite amazing and followed by the chorus ends the song superbly in my opinion, I really love how it ends. A very good and under appreciated song.
This is my anthem song lol. When I feel good and want to utterly destroy noobs in whatever game I'm playing or focus 100% on what I'm doing, I turn the volume way up, blast this and sing along. It's one of my favorite KARA song. When I feel good it just amplifies that feeling, makes me feel amazing, filled with happiness. I love everything about it.
I love this song because of how different it sounds to what I'm used to. I Really like the chorus and the line before it that leads to it. It also makes me feel happy in a way, I don't know it kinds of me warm me lol, I quite like it.
When I listen to this song, I listen to the an audio rip from the KARASIA live performance. The Live performance of it that was recorded during the last KARASIA in Japan for wowowTV was simply put amazing. Everything was perfect, their voices, the sound, the ad-libs they added in, the crowd, the energy, the fun factor of them throwing in the balls in the crowd and running around. The chorus of the Live performance is really energetic and cute, it`s great. A lot better in my opinion than the CD version I linked. If anyone wants the audio rip I`m talking about, just PM me and I`ll upload it.
By far the best song from Step album in my opinion. Chorus is amazing, the way they bridge the verses to the chorus is executed very nicely. Good energetic upbeat tempo, well used ad-libs, I like this a lot.
Smooth yet upbeat at the same time, some of the vocals techniques used are re-mindful of Dreaming Girls but simply used in a smoother atmosphere. Works great, in my opinion, I like the feeling of the song.
I like how it's the same 4 people repeating the same lines over and over again as if there is a cumulative effect in play. Wei, you've said probably 15x so far in this thread that you don't like me. I obv don't care. If it's a modable issue, go report it. If it's not, stop being a douche. I at least have enough class to stick to the topic at hand: kpop, without resorting to adhominems. Sadly, the rest of you can't refrain from doing the same. Yet, I'm the douche? Riiiight.
On August 11 2012 02:36 Xenocide_Knight wrote: Vogrim, sometimes you can be somewhat disagreeable but I've never regretted reading anything you wrote. I'm glad you're around. and Stork, it has nothing to do with your opinions or what you think. Your post
On August 11 2012 02:04 Vorgrim wrote: That's cos nobody likes you.
I usually don't agree with Vorgrim, but I have to hand it to the man.
Maybe if we ignore Stork long enough he'll go back to lurking. Like a reverse Firehand
Thats pretty mean lol... Firehand never came bursting back into this thread like i expected. I was looking forward to another explosion followed by quick repercussion.
Reading that blog of his was depressing. I genuinely felt bad for him.
@Stork it's less your opinions and more how you express them. For me at least.
Some people like to tiptoe around the bush. Others run it over with a gas-powered lawnmower. But in the end, it's not my fault if some people are made of glass. I just call it as I see it. If I talked in a way that didn't offend anyone, I'd hate myself, and I'd much rather everyone else hate me than that. So, in short, I'm quite content with the status quo.
clearly shows that you're not getting it. Most people here call it like they see it, you aren't unique in that regard nor are you contributing anything useful. It's just something about the way you write that is unbearable. Although maybe I just blindly hate your posts for no reason. We can actually easily test this out! If you try writting up a big Taeyeon fan post and I still hate it, then we know something is wrong with the way you express yourself. Or that my blind hatred of you knows no bounds or reason.
Here's how your post reads to me:
You're not special. You don't contribute anything. I hate you personally. Why don't I propose something douchey to try to look like a cool guy? This is great. I have 3 other online guys backing me up, so now I can really cut loose with all the dumb spiteful thoughts I've got running around in my head. I'm really angry you came in here and crashed my happy little haven of idolatry. Now I'm going to get back at you by saying all the mean things I can think of. Oh yeah, no bounds or reason.
Ow. I didn't think my post was that bad. Listen, I'm mostly just confused as to why your posts are so disagreeable to me. I am very glad other people find it the same though because it confirms that there's something wrong with your writing and I'm not just hating on you for no reason.
As many people have pointed out, I'm not exactly a model poster either. I'm not going to be the "cool" guy anytime soon since most people here already know me. But at least I would like to be, rather than taking pride in being generally disliked.
On August 11 2012 05:20 Fawkes wrote: So which photocard came with the Electric Shock album? + Show Spoiler +
Well, at least it wasn't Amber.
Aww you don't like Amber?
Not sure if srz...but this is KMD, noone likes amber here.
Speak for yourself, Ambro is cool with me.
+1 on this train, i have a friend that looks kinda similar to her, it freaks me out sometimes
I like how it's the same 4 people repeating the same lines over and over again as if there is a cumulative effect in play. Wei, you've said probably 15x so far in this thread that you don't like me. I obv don't care. If it's a modable issue, go report it. If it's not, stop being a douche. I at least have enough class to stick to the topic at hand: kpop, without resorting to adhominems. Sadly, the rest of you can't refrain from doing the same. Yet, I'm the douche? Riiiight.
On August 11 2012 02:36 Xenocide_Knight wrote: Vogrim, sometimes you can be somewhat disagreeable but I've never regretted reading anything you wrote. I'm glad you're around. and Stork, it has nothing to do with your opinions or what you think. Your post
On August 11 2012 02:04 Vorgrim wrote: That's cos nobody likes you.
I usually don't agree with Vorgrim, but I have to hand it to the man.
Maybe if we ignore Stork long enough he'll go back to lurking. Like a reverse Firehand
Thats pretty mean lol... Firehand never came bursting back into this thread like i expected. I was looking forward to another explosion followed by quick repercussion.
Reading that blog of his was depressing. I genuinely felt bad for him.
@Stork it's less your opinions and more how you express them. For me at least.
Some people like to tiptoe around the bush. Others run it over with a gas-powered lawnmower. But in the end, it's not my fault if some people are made of glass. I just call it as I see it. If I talked in a way that didn't offend anyone, I'd hate myself, and I'd much rather everyone else hate me than that. So, in short, I'm quite content with the status quo.
clearly shows that you're not getting it. Most people here call it like they see it, you aren't unique in that regard nor are you contributing anything useful. It's just something about the way you write that is unbearable. Although maybe I just blindly hate your posts for no reason. We can actually easily test this out! If you try writting up a big Taeyeon fan post and I still hate it, then we know something is wrong with the way you express yourself. Or that my blind hatred of you knows no bounds or reason.
Here's how your post reads to me:
You're not special. You don't contribute anything. I hate you personally. Why don't I propose something douchey to try to look like a cool guy? This is great. I have 3 other online guys backing me up, so now I can really cut loose with all the dumb spiteful thoughts I've got running around in my head. I'm really angry you came in here and crashed my happy little haven of idolatry. Now I'm going to get back at you by saying all the mean things I can think of. Oh yeah, no bounds or reason.
Ow. I didn't think my post was that bad. Listen, I'm mostly just confused as to why your posts are so disagreeable to me. I am very glad other people find it the same though because it confirms that there's something wrong with your writing and I'm not just hating on you for no reason.
As many people have pointed out, I'm not exactly a model poster either. I'm not going to be the "cool" guy anytime soon since most people here already know me. But at least I would like to be, rather than taking pride in being generally disliked.
On August 11 2012 07:20 StorkHwaiting wrote: The girl's got the charisma of a wet log. It doesn't matter how much media hype she starts with when she's a dud. She couldn't even get her own group members to like her. You think she's going to win over a nation?
Also, just no. If 99% of Showbiz was getting noticed, Sasha Grey would be a superstar by now.
Charisma of a wet log? This is the venomous nonsense I was pointing out, Hwayoung was gaining more and more appeal as each promo rolled around.
Pretty sure Sasha Grey is a superstar. I'm betting more people know her name than your starcraft playing hero.
On August 11 2012 07:20 StorkHwaiting wrote: The girl's got the charisma of a wet log. It doesn't matter how much media hype she starts with when she's a dud. She couldn't even get her own group members to like her. You think she's going to win over a nation?
Also, just no. If 99% of Showbiz was getting noticed, Sasha Grey would be a superstar by now.
Charisma of a wet log? This is the venomous nonsense I was pointing out, Hwayoung was gaining more and more appeal as each promo rolled around.
Pretty sure Sasha Grey is a superstar. I'm betting more people know her name than your starcraft playing hero.
Didn't know who Sasha Grey was, googled Sasha Grey. Why didn't you NSFW tag that or something.
On August 11 2012 07:22 TunaBarrett wrote: Not sure if srz...but this is KMD, noone likes amber here.
You consistently come out with the weakest, most generalized blanket statements with nothing to back any of what you say up. Please stop before you dig yourself a deeper hole.
Watching Crayon Pop perform on Music Bank, it's pretty apparent they are from a no-money production company. The fan reaction was also fairly lukewarm at best. Sorry, KMD, they're not going to get anywhere anytime soon. But at least you can tweet with them!
On August 11 2012 07:20 StorkHwaiting wrote: The girl's got the charisma of a wet log. It doesn't matter how much media hype she starts with when she's a dud. She couldn't even get her own group members to like her. You think she's going to win over a nation?
Also, just no. If 99% of Showbiz was getting noticed, Sasha Grey would be a superstar by now.
Charisma of a wet log? This is the venomous nonsense I was pointing out, Hwayoung was gaining more and more appeal as each promo rolled around.
Pretty sure Sasha Grey is a superstar. I'm betting more people know her name than your starcraft playing hero.
That doesn't mean she's a superstar. She's a two-bit actress\amusement in the world of showbiz.
More people know William Hung than your favorite Kpop star. Does that mean he's a superstar in showbiz?
On August 11 2012 06:45 StorkHwaiting wrote: It costs a ton of money for a debut, and it takes a ton of purchases and support to recoup those costs. Gambling on a known troublemaker like Hwayoung who's only current fanbase is a collection of T-ARA antis and people who hate bullying doesn't sound like a solid business strategy. Kpop tends to be about positivity. Using an extremely negative scandal to draw attention to a new group is probably not something any company would want to do, especially a small one. What would it do for their reputation if all they were ever known for was "that company who hired Hwayoung."
I don't get where this venomous nonsense is coming from. Show me on the doll where miss Ryu touched you, Stork.
Show me where you came up with this venomous adjective. I have no idea what you're on about.
Kuja: If hwayoung really had that kind of star potential KKS never would have kicked her out. Instead, she never gained much of a following in T-ARA, despite being in such a ridiculously advantageous position for a rookie. You talk about free media attention but she got plenty of that when she joined T-ARA. Didn't help her there, why would it help her elsewhere? Especially when this time it's such a negative sort of attention. I don't see how it matters if the fans are for or against her, the fact she's part of this whole shitstorm at all is a negative.
I don't think your catching my drift yo. Due to the nature of the event Hwayoung has that kind of star potential BECAUSE she was kicked off of T-ARA not because she was in it yo. Also, im saying it would be (potentially) advantageous for a smaller company to pick her up because it would get them free media, T-ARA already had its own (not free by the way) media when they picked her up, the company was creating the media not Hwayoung; she was just the topic. If a smaller company picked her up (which presupposes they don't have the media/advertising power that T-ARA's label company had) Hwayoung would be the cause and topic of that free media, which takes the burden of the company (to an extent) to buy that media. yo.
I really need to know, is anyone else diggin what im puttin up or is stork in the right on this one yo?
I'm digging yo. I just can't muster the effort to reply to anything he says any longer, he is really bringing this thread down to the gutter. Major annoying.
On August 11 2012 07:20 StorkHwaiting wrote: The girl's got the charisma of a wet log. It doesn't matter how much media hype she starts with when she's a dud. She couldn't even get her own group members to like her. You think she's going to win over a nation?
Also, just no. If 99% of Showbiz was getting noticed, Sasha Grey would be a superstar by now.
Charisma of a wet log? This is the venomous nonsense I was pointing out, Hwayoung was gaining more and more appeal as each promo rolled around.
Pretty sure Sasha Grey is a superstar. I'm betting more people know her name than your starcraft playing hero.
Didn't know who Sasha Grey was, googled Sasha Grey. Why didn't you NSFW tag that or something.
LOL wow
On August 11 2012 07:37 Nesserev wrote: Girls can be bitches to each other, ask unichan... she's a bitch. + Show Spoiler +
On August 11 2012 07:20 StorkHwaiting wrote: The girl's got the charisma of a wet log. It doesn't matter how much media hype she starts with when she's a dud. She couldn't even get her own group members to like her. You think she's going to win over a nation?
Also, just no. If 99% of Showbiz was getting noticed, Sasha Grey would be a superstar by now.
Charisma of a wet log? This is the venomous nonsense I was pointing out, Hwayoung was gaining more and more appeal as each promo rolled around.
Pretty sure Sasha Grey is a superstar. I'm betting more people know her name than your starcraft playing hero.
That doesn't mean she's a superstar. She's a two-bit actress\amusement in the world of showbiz.
More people know William Hung than your favorite Kpop star. Does that mean he's a superstar in showbiz?
He's closer to being one than a kpop star. Being a superstar is basically being popular, the better you're known the more likely you're going to be popular. Don't even know why this is debatable.
I like how it's the same 4 people repeating the same lines over and over again as if there is a cumulative effect in play. Wei, you've said probably 15x so far in this thread that you don't like me. I obv don't care. If it's a modable issue, go report it. If it's not, stop being a douche. I at least have enough class to stick to the topic at hand: kpop, without resorting to adhominems. Sadly, the rest of you can't refrain from doing the same. Yet, I'm the douche? Riiiight.
On August 11 2012 02:36 Xenocide_Knight wrote: Vogrim, sometimes you can be somewhat disagreeable but I've never regretted reading anything you wrote. I'm glad you're around. and Stork, it has nothing to do with your opinions or what you think. Your post
On August 11 2012 02:04 Vorgrim wrote: That's cos nobody likes you.
I usually don't agree with Vorgrim, but I have to hand it to the man.
Maybe if we ignore Stork long enough he'll go back to lurking. Like a reverse Firehand
Thats pretty mean lol... Firehand never came bursting back into this thread like i expected. I was looking forward to another explosion followed by quick repercussion.
Reading that blog of his was depressing. I genuinely felt bad for him.
@Stork it's less your opinions and more how you express them. For me at least.
Some people like to tiptoe around the bush. Others run it over with a gas-powered lawnmower. But in the end, it's not my fault if some people are made of glass. I just call it as I see it. If I talked in a way that didn't offend anyone, I'd hate myself, and I'd much rather everyone else hate me than that. So, in short, I'm quite content with the status quo.
clearly shows that you're not getting it. Most people here call it like they see it, you aren't unique in that regard nor are you contributing anything useful. It's just something about the way you write that is unbearable. Although maybe I just blindly hate your posts for no reason. We can actually easily test this out! If you try writting up a big Taeyeon fan post and I still hate it, then we know something is wrong with the way you express yourself. Or that my blind hatred of you knows no bounds or reason.
Here's how your post reads to me:
You're not special. You don't contribute anything. I hate you personally. Why don't I propose something douchey to try to look like a cool guy? This is great. I have 3 other online guys backing me up, so now I can really cut loose with all the dumb spiteful thoughts I've got running around in my head. I'm really angry you came in here and crashed my happy little haven of idolatry. Now I'm going to get back at you by saying all the mean things I can think of. Oh yeah, no bounds or reason.
Ow. I didn't think my post was that bad. Listen, I'm mostly just confused as to why your posts are so disagreeable to me. I am very glad other people find it the same though because it confirms that there's something wrong with your writing and I'm not just hating on you for no reason.
As many people have pointed out, I'm not exactly a model poster either. I'm not going to be the "cool" guy anytime soon since most people here already know me. But at least I would like to be, rather than taking pride in being generally disliked.
On August 11 2012 05:20 Fawkes wrote: So which photocard came with the Electric Shock album? + Show Spoiler +
Well, at least it wasn't Amber.
Aww you don't like Amber?
Not sure if srz...but this is KMD, noone likes amber here.
On August 11 2012 07:22 TunaBarrett wrote: Not sure if srz...but this is KMD, noone likes amber here.
You consistently come out with the weakest, most generalized blanket statements with nothing to back any of what you say up. Please stop before you dig yourself a deeper hole.
Watching Crayon Pop perform on Music Bank, it's pretty apparent they are from a no-money production company. The fan reaction was also fairly lukewarm at best. Sorry, KMD, they're not going to get anywhere anytime soon. But at least you can tweet with them!
Yeah the barely audible fanchant was concerning, all the other debuts had a hell of alot more reaction. Bearing in mind the debut isn't everything, I would like to use IU as a case example but there are actually 10 times as many examples for rookies that stayed forever nameless.
Just need to hope, I might actually mail them a plushie or something, I heard portable mini coolers were expensive.
On August 11 2012 07:22 TunaBarrett wrote: Not sure if srz...but this is KMD, noone likes amber here.
You consistently come out with the weakest, most generalized blanket statements with nothing to back any of what you say up. Please stop before you dig yourself a deeper hole.
Watching Crayon Pop perform on Music Bank, it's pretty apparent they are from a no-money production company. The fan reaction was also fairly lukewarm at best. Sorry, KMD, they're not going to get anywhere anytime soon. But at least you can tweet with them!
Yeah the barely audible fanchant was concerning, all the other debuts had a hell of alot more reaction. Bearing in mind the debut isn't everything, I would like to use IU as a case example but there are actually 10 times as many examples for rookies that stayed forever nameless.
Just need to hope, I might actually mail them a plushie or something, I heard portable mini coolers were expensive.
I like how it's the same 4 people repeating the same lines over and over again as if there is a cumulative effect in play. Wei, you've said probably 15x so far in this thread that you don't like me. I obv don't care. If it's a modable issue, go report it. If it's not, stop being a douche. I at least have enough class to stick to the topic at hand: kpop, without resorting to adhominems. Sadly, the rest of you can't refrain from doing the same. Yet, I'm the douche? Riiiight.
On August 11 2012 02:36 Xenocide_Knight wrote: Vogrim, sometimes you can be somewhat disagreeable but I've never regretted reading anything you wrote. I'm glad you're around. and Stork, it has nothing to do with your opinions or what you think. Your post
On August 11 2012 02:04 Vorgrim wrote: That's cos nobody likes you.
I usually don't agree with Vorgrim, but I have to hand it to the man.
Maybe if we ignore Stork long enough he'll go back to lurking. Like a reverse Firehand
Thats pretty mean lol... Firehand never came bursting back into this thread like i expected. I was looking forward to another explosion followed by quick repercussion.
Reading that blog of his was depressing. I genuinely felt bad for him.
@Stork it's less your opinions and more how you express them. For me at least.
Some people like to tiptoe around the bush. Others run it over with a gas-powered lawnmower. But in the end, it's not my fault if some people are made of glass. I just call it as I see it. If I talked in a way that didn't offend anyone, I'd hate myself, and I'd much rather everyone else hate me than that. So, in short, I'm quite content with the status quo.
clearly shows that you're not getting it. Most people here call it like they see it, you aren't unique in that regard nor are you contributing anything useful. It's just something about the way you write that is unbearable. Although maybe I just blindly hate your posts for no reason. We can actually easily test this out! If you try writting up a big Taeyeon fan post and I still hate it, then we know something is wrong with the way you express yourself. Or that my blind hatred of you knows no bounds or reason.
Here's how your post reads to me:
You're not special. You don't contribute anything. I hate you personally. Why don't I propose something douchey to try to look like a cool guy? This is great. I have 3 other online guys backing me up, so now I can really cut loose with all the dumb spiteful thoughts I've got running around in my head. I'm really angry you came in here and crashed my happy little haven of idolatry. Now I'm going to get back at you by saying all the mean things I can think of. Oh yeah, no bounds or reason.
Ow. I didn't think my post was that bad. Listen, I'm mostly just confused as to why your posts are so disagreeable to me. I am very glad other people find it the same though because it confirms that there's something wrong with your writing and I'm not just hating on you for no reason.
As many people have pointed out, I'm not exactly a model poster either. I'm not going to be the "cool" guy anytime soon since most people here already know me. But at least I would like to be, rather than taking pride in being generally disliked.
On August 11 2012 05:20 Fawkes wrote: So which photocard came with the Electric Shock album? + Show Spoiler +
Well, at least it wasn't Amber.
Aww you don't like Amber?
Be honest with yourself, would you want an Amber photocard over all the other possibilities?
I know before, I had posted some wishy washy sentiments about my confused fandom of Amber but now I'll come clean. I like Amber. + Show Spoiler +
That being said, I'm very pleased with the Krystal photocard I got. If not her, I would want Sulli. Krystal>Sulli>Luna>Amber>Victoria. Oh God, I'm sorry Victoria fans
On August 11 2012 07:20 StorkHwaiting wrote: The girl's got the charisma of a wet log. It doesn't matter how much media hype she starts with when she's a dud. She couldn't even get her own group members to like her. You think she's going to win over a nation?
Also, just no. If 99% of Showbiz was getting noticed, Sasha Grey would be a superstar by now.
Charisma of a wet log? This is the venomous nonsense I was pointing out, Hwayoung was gaining more and more appeal as each promo rolled around.
Pretty sure Sasha Grey is a superstar. I'm betting more people know her name than your starcraft playing hero.
Didn't know who Sasha Grey was, googled Sasha Grey. Why didn't you NSFW tag that or something.
Lol, Kuja if only you were younger you could be a great KMD maknae
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