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On August 11 2012 06:45 StorkHwaiting wrote:
It costs a ton of money for a debut, and it takes a ton of purchases and support to recoup those costs. Gambling on a known troublemaker like Hwayoung who's only current fanbase is a collection of T-ARA antis and people who hate bullying doesn't sound like a solid business strategy. Kpop tends to be about positivity. Using an extremely negative scandal to draw attention to a new group is probably not something any company would want to do, especially a small one. What would it do for their reputation if all they were ever known for was "that company who hired Hwayoung."
I don't think your understanding that Hwayoung is generally perceived as the victim of this entire thing, and hence the person your sympathy naturally goes toward.
For example: if an relatively unknown label like Chrome Entertainment wanted to pick her up (not that I think they could afford her anyway but this is just an example) and did good on the group/premiere they put her in it would create alot of hype and natural advertisement that you would otherwise have to pay a shit ton to have a chance at. So, its a double edged sword fo sho yo.
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On August 11 2012 06:45 StorkHwaiting wrote:
It costs a ton of money for a debut, and it takes a ton of purchases and support to recoup those costs. Gambling on a known troublemaker like Hwayoung who's only current fanbase is a collection of T-ARA antis and people who hate bullying doesn't sound like a solid business strategy. Kpop tends to be about positivity. Using an extremely negative scandal to draw attention to a new group is probably not something any company would want to do, especially a small one. What would it do for their reputation if all they were ever known for was "that company who hired Hwayoung."
I don't get where this venomous nonsense is coming from. Show me on the doll where miss Ryu touched you, Stork.
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Were you guys not here for his whole tirade when the debacle was taking place? It's what put him on my radar in the first place.
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On August 11 2012 06:51 Kuja wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 06:45 StorkHwaiting wrote:
It costs a ton of money for a debut, and it takes a ton of purchases and support to recoup those costs. Gambling on a known troublemaker like Hwayoung who's only current fanbase is a collection of T-ARA antis and people who hate bullying doesn't sound like a solid business strategy. Kpop tends to be about positivity. Using an extremely negative scandal to draw attention to a new group is probably not something any company would want to do, especially a small one. What would it do for their reputation if all they were ever known for was "that company who hired Hwayoung." I don't think your understanding that Hwayoung is generally perceived as the victim of this entire thing, and hence the person your sympathy naturally goes toward. For example: if an relatively unknown label like Chrome Entertainment wanted to pick her up (not that I think they could afford her anyway but this is just an example) and did good on the group/premiere the put her in it would create alot of hype and natural advertisement that you would otherwise have to pay a shit ton to have a chance at.
Even though she's perceived as a victim, that's not the kind of fan you want when debuting. You much rather have a fanbase that's actually interested in your talents/look rather than one that's based on pity.
Since when did a pity based fanbase buy albums?
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On August 11 2012 06:55 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 06:51 Kuja wrote:On August 11 2012 06:45 StorkHwaiting wrote:
It costs a ton of money for a debut, and it takes a ton of purchases and support to recoup those costs. Gambling on a known troublemaker like Hwayoung who's only current fanbase is a collection of T-ARA antis and people who hate bullying doesn't sound like a solid business strategy. Kpop tends to be about positivity. Using an extremely negative scandal to draw attention to a new group is probably not something any company would want to do, especially a small one. What would it do for their reputation if all they were ever known for was "that company who hired Hwayoung." I don't think your understanding that Hwayoung is generally perceived as the victim of this entire thing, and hence the person your sympathy naturally goes toward. For example: if an relatively unknown label like Chrome Entertainment wanted to pick her up (not that I think they could afford her anyway but this is just an example) and did good on the group/premiere the put her in it would create alot of hype and natural advertisement that you would otherwise have to pay a shit ton to have a chance at. Even though she's perceived as a victim, that's not the kind of fan you want when debuting. You much rather have a fanbase that's actually interested in your talents/look rather than one that's based on pity. Since when did a pity based fanbase buy albums?
That not the point, have you heard of a hook? The sympathy/curiosity factor would get it initial attention, which is extremely valuable. But after that it would of course have to be based on the merits of the company/group. Just don't underestimate the value of free media attention.
Edit: lol @ vogrim
@Dysto Never even thought of that, but it just compounds my point.
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I carried on buying Michael Jackson albums, even though Bad was his last good one. Part pity, part admiration that a man would turn himself into a ghost for our entertainment.
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I also wonder how much money a company would save by not having to get Hwa more vocal/rap lessons etc., if that lowers the cost any.
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On August 11 2012 06:51 Vorgrim wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 06:45 StorkHwaiting wrote:
It costs a ton of money for a debut, and it takes a ton of purchases and support to recoup those costs. Gambling on a known troublemaker like Hwayoung who's only current fanbase is a collection of T-ARA antis and people who hate bullying doesn't sound like a solid business strategy. Kpop tends to be about positivity. Using an extremely negative scandal to draw attention to a new group is probably not something any company would want to do, especially a small one. What would it do for their reputation if all they were ever known for was "that company who hired Hwayoung." I don't get where this venomous nonsense is coming from. Show me on the doll where miss Ryu touched you, Stork.
Show me where you came up with this venomous adjective. I have no idea what you're on about.
Kuja: If hwayoung really had that kind of star potential KKS never would have kicked her out. Instead, she never gained much of a following in T-ARA, despite being in such a ridiculously advantageous position for a rookie. You talk about free media attention but she got plenty of that when she joined T-ARA. Didn't help her there, why would it help her elsewhere? Especially when this time it's such a negative sort of attention. I don't see how it matters if the fans are for or against her, the fact she's part of this whole shitstorm at all is a negative.
Vorgrim: MJ didn't turn himself into a ghost for your entertainment. His hair caught fire while he was doing a rehearsal and it horribly scarred his face/burned him. He got a bunch of surgery after that to try to fix the damage and turned into the pale-faced alien he's known for today. It was because of a horrific accident, not because he just happened to like looking like a monster for entertainment.
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On August 11 2012 06:58 Kuja wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 06:55 wei2coolman wrote:On August 11 2012 06:51 Kuja wrote:On August 11 2012 06:45 StorkHwaiting wrote:
It costs a ton of money for a debut, and it takes a ton of purchases and support to recoup those costs. Gambling on a known troublemaker like Hwayoung who's only current fanbase is a collection of T-ARA antis and people who hate bullying doesn't sound like a solid business strategy. Kpop tends to be about positivity. Using an extremely negative scandal to draw attention to a new group is probably not something any company would want to do, especially a small one. What would it do for their reputation if all they were ever known for was "that company who hired Hwayoung." I don't think your understanding that Hwayoung is generally perceived as the victim of this entire thing, and hence the person your sympathy naturally goes toward. For example: if an relatively unknown label like Chrome Entertainment wanted to pick her up (not that I think they could afford her anyway but this is just an example) and did good on the group/premiere the put her in it would create alot of hype and natural advertisement that you would otherwise have to pay a shit ton to have a chance at. Even though she's perceived as a victim, that's not the kind of fan you want when debuting. You much rather have a fanbase that's actually interested in your talents/look rather than one that's based on pity. Since when did a pity based fanbase buy albums? That not the point, have you heard of a hook? The sympathy/curiosity factor would get it initial attention, which is extremely valuable. But after that it would of course have to be based on the merits of the company/group. Just don't underestimate the value of free media attention. Edit: lol @ vogrim @Dysto Never even thought of that, but it just compounds my point.
Do you really think Hwayoung could put out something worthy of merit to overshadow the t-ara fiasco?
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CCM does not have enough pull to do that, and if they attempted too, every single station bar mnet would immediately call them out on it.
edit wow alot happened during the compose message
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On August 11 2012 07:06 Nesserev wrote:
Why don't we really start a Korean label company and pick up Hwayoung as one of our artists. It's not that she's talentless or useless, she's a "decent" rapper (for a kpop group, but we haven't seen much of her to begin with) and I think she'll get support and attention if she redebuts, even if it's out of pity and due to the whole scandal.
I do believe this notion was thrown around several hundred pages ago.
Honestly how many times has everyone posted stuff like "Tiffany <3 Tiffany <3 Tiffany <3" in Youtube comments, I want to know the kind of people that do it.
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On August 11 2012 07:02 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 06:51 Vorgrim wrote:On August 11 2012 06:45 StorkHwaiting wrote:
It costs a ton of money for a debut, and it takes a ton of purchases and support to recoup those costs. Gambling on a known troublemaker like Hwayoung who's only current fanbase is a collection of T-ARA antis and people who hate bullying doesn't sound like a solid business strategy. Kpop tends to be about positivity. Using an extremely negative scandal to draw attention to a new group is probably not something any company would want to do, especially a small one. What would it do for their reputation if all they were ever known for was "that company who hired Hwayoung." I don't get where this venomous nonsense is coming from. Show me on the doll where miss Ryu touched you, Stork. Show me where you came up with this venomous adjective. I have no idea what you're on about. Kuja: If hwayoung really had that kind of star potential KKS never would have kicked her out. Instead, she never gained much of a following in T-ARA, despite being in such a ridiculously advantageous position for a rookie. You talk about free media attention but she got plenty of that when she joined T-ARA. Didn't help her there, why would it help her elsewhere? Especially when this time it's such a negative sort of attention. I don't see how it matters if the fans are for or against her, the fact she's part of this whole shitstorm at all is a negative.
I don't think your catching my drift yo. Due to the nature of the event Hwayoung has that kind of star potential BECAUSE she was kicked off of T-ARA not because she was in it yo. Also, im saying it would be (potentially) advantageous for a smaller company to pick her up because it would get them free media, T-ARA already had its own (not free by the way) media when they picked her up, the company was creating the media not Hwayoung; she was just the topic. If a smaller company picked her up (which presupposes they don't have the media/advertising power that T-ARA's label company had) Hwayoung would be the cause and topic of that free media, which takes the burden of the company (to an extent) to buy that media. yo.
I really need to know, is anyone else diggin what im puttin up or is stork in the right on this one yo?
On August 11 2012 07:12 Vorgrim wrote:
Making it in showbiz is 99% getting noticed.
100x this yo
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She's not untalented and I think she scrubs up pretty well. Before this all went down I and a fair few other open minded T-ara fans had been commenting on how good she was looking in recent promotions.
Making it in showbiz is 99% getting noticed, which is apparent by the bazillion rookie groups that debuted last year and will likely never be seen again. She's already famous.
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On August 11 2012 02:38 StorkHwaiting wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I like how it's the same 4 people repeating the same lines over and over again as if there is a cumulative effect in play. Wei, you've said probably 15x so far in this thread that you don't like me. I obv don't care. If it's a modable issue, go report it. If it's not, stop being a douche. I at least have enough class to stick to the topic at hand: kpop, without resorting to adhominems. Sadly, the rest of you can't refrain from doing the same. Yet, I'm the douche? Riiiight. On August 11 2012 02:36 Xenocide_Knight wrote:Vogrim, sometimes you can be somewhat disagreeable but I've never regretted reading anything you wrote. I'm glad you're around. and Stork, it has nothing to do with your opinions or what you think. Your post Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 02:21 StorkHwaiting wrote:On August 11 2012 02:08 DystopiaX wrote:On August 11 2012 02:08 Kuja wrote:On August 11 2012 02:05 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On August 11 2012 02:04 Requizen wrote:On August 11 2012 02:04 Vorgrim wrote:
That's cos nobody likes you. I usually don't agree with Vorgrim, but I have to hand it to the man. Maybe if we ignore Stork long enough he'll go back to lurking. Like a reverse Firehand Thats pretty mean lol... Firehand never came bursting back into this thread like i expected. I was looking forward to another explosion followed by quick repercussion. Reading that blog of his was depressing. I genuinely felt bad for him. @Stork it's less your opinions and more how you express them. For me at least. Some people like to tiptoe around the bush. Others run it over with a gas-powered lawnmower. But in the end, it's not my fault if some people are made of glass. I just call it as I see it. If I talked in a way that didn't offend anyone, I'd hate myself, and I'd much rather everyone else hate me than that. So, in short, I'm quite content with the status quo. clearly shows that you're not getting it. Most people here call it like they see it, you aren't unique in that regard nor are you contributing anything useful. It's just something about the way you write that is unbearable. Although maybe I just blindly hate your posts for no reason. We can actually easily test this out! If you try writting up a big Taeyeon fan post and I still hate it, then we know something is wrong with the way you express yourself. Or that my blind hatred of you knows no bounds or reason. Here's how your post reads to me: You're not special. You don't contribute anything. I hate you personally. Why don't I propose something douchey to try to look like a cool guy? This is great. I have 3 other online guys backing me up, so now I can really cut loose with all the dumb spiteful thoughts I've got running around in my head. I'm really angry you came in here and crashed my happy little haven of idolatry. Now I'm going to get back at you by saying all the mean things I can think of. Oh yeah, no bounds or reason.
Ow. I didn't think my post was that bad. Listen, I'm mostly just confused as to why your posts are so disagreeable to me. I am very glad other people find it the same though because it confirms that there's something wrong with your writing and I'm not just hating on you for no reason.
As many people have pointed out, I'm not exactly a model poster either. I'm not going to be the "cool" guy anytime soon since most people here already know me. But at least I would like to be, rather than taking pride in being generally disliked.
On August 11 2012 05:20 Fawkes wrote:So which photocard came with the Electric Shock album? + Show Spoiler +Well, at least it wasn't Amber.
Aww you don't like Amber?
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The girl's got the charisma of a wet log. It doesn't matter how much media hype she starts with when she's a dud. She couldn't even get her own group members to like her. You think she's going to win over a nation?
Also, just no. If 99% of Showbiz was getting noticed, Sasha Grey would be a superstar by now.
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On August 11 2012 07:17 Xenocide_Knight wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 02:38 StorkHwaiting wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I like how it's the same 4 people repeating the same lines over and over again as if there is a cumulative effect in play. Wei, you've said probably 15x so far in this thread that you don't like me. I obv don't care. If it's a modable issue, go report it. If it's not, stop being a douche. I at least have enough class to stick to the topic at hand: kpop, without resorting to adhominems. Sadly, the rest of you can't refrain from doing the same. Yet, I'm the douche? Riiiight. On August 11 2012 02:36 Xenocide_Knight wrote:Vogrim, sometimes you can be somewhat disagreeable but I've never regretted reading anything you wrote. I'm glad you're around. and Stork, it has nothing to do with your opinions or what you think. Your post Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 02:21 StorkHwaiting wrote:On August 11 2012 02:08 DystopiaX wrote:On August 11 2012 02:08 Kuja wrote:On August 11 2012 02:05 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On August 11 2012 02:04 Requizen wrote:On August 11 2012 02:04 Vorgrim wrote:
That's cos nobody likes you. I usually don't agree with Vorgrim, but I have to hand it to the man. Maybe if we ignore Stork long enough he'll go back to lurking. Like a reverse Firehand Thats pretty mean lol... Firehand never came bursting back into this thread like i expected. I was looking forward to another explosion followed by quick repercussion. Reading that blog of his was depressing. I genuinely felt bad for him. @Stork it's less your opinions and more how you express them. For me at least. Some people like to tiptoe around the bush. Others run it over with a gas-powered lawnmower. But in the end, it's not my fault if some people are made of glass. I just call it as I see it. If I talked in a way that didn't offend anyone, I'd hate myself, and I'd much rather everyone else hate me than that. So, in short, I'm quite content with the status quo. clearly shows that you're not getting it. Most people here call it like they see it, you aren't unique in that regard nor are you contributing anything useful. It's just something about the way you write that is unbearable. Although maybe I just blindly hate your posts for no reason. We can actually easily test this out! If you try writting up a big Taeyeon fan post and I still hate it, then we know something is wrong with the way you express yourself. Or that my blind hatred of you knows no bounds or reason. Here's how your post reads to me: You're not special. You don't contribute anything. I hate you personally. Why don't I propose something douchey to try to look like a cool guy? This is great. I have 3 other online guys backing me up, so now I can really cut loose with all the dumb spiteful thoughts I've got running around in my head. I'm really angry you came in here and crashed my happy little haven of idolatry. Now I'm going to get back at you by saying all the mean things I can think of. Oh yeah, no bounds or reason. Ow. I didn't think my post was that bad. Listen, I'm mostly just confused as to why your posts are so disagreeable to me. I am very glad other people find it the same though because it confirms that there's something wrong with your writing and I'm not just hating on you for no reason. As many people have pointed out, I'm not exactly a model poster either. I'm not going to be the "cool" guy anytime soon since most people here already know me. But at least I would like to be, rather than taking pride in being generally disliked. Aww you don't like Amber?
Not sure if srz...but this is KMD, noone likes amber here.
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is amber a lesbian? cuz it would be awesome if she was one
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But the thing is that calling someone talented is like saying they have potential. She showed those qualities, as well as other attributes in order to debut. However only being able to commend her for being having talent, or at least, not being awful is not where you want to be after spending 2 years with a group that had the hit song of the year. She managed to stay completely under the radar. Whether it was because of her environment doesn't matter, like others have said, she wasted a chance which others can literally only dream about.
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On August 11 2012 07:22 TunaBarrett wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 07:17 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On August 11 2012 02:38 StorkHwaiting wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I like how it's the same 4 people repeating the same lines over and over again as if there is a cumulative effect in play. Wei, you've said probably 15x so far in this thread that you don't like me. I obv don't care. If it's a modable issue, go report it. If it's not, stop being a douche. I at least have enough class to stick to the topic at hand: kpop, without resorting to adhominems. Sadly, the rest of you can't refrain from doing the same. Yet, I'm the douche? Riiiight. On August 11 2012 02:36 Xenocide_Knight wrote:Vogrim, sometimes you can be somewhat disagreeable but I've never regretted reading anything you wrote. I'm glad you're around. and Stork, it has nothing to do with your opinions or what you think. Your post Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 02:21 StorkHwaiting wrote:On August 11 2012 02:08 DystopiaX wrote:On August 11 2012 02:08 Kuja wrote:On August 11 2012 02:05 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On August 11 2012 02:04 Requizen wrote:On August 11 2012 02:04 Vorgrim wrote:
That's cos nobody likes you. I usually don't agree with Vorgrim, but I have to hand it to the man. Maybe if we ignore Stork long enough he'll go back to lurking. Like a reverse Firehand Thats pretty mean lol... Firehand never came bursting back into this thread like i expected. I was looking forward to another explosion followed by quick repercussion. Reading that blog of his was depressing. I genuinely felt bad for him. @Stork it's less your opinions and more how you express them. For me at least. Some people like to tiptoe around the bush. Others run it over with a gas-powered lawnmower. But in the end, it's not my fault if some people are made of glass. I just call it as I see it. If I talked in a way that didn't offend anyone, I'd hate myself, and I'd much rather everyone else hate me than that. So, in short, I'm quite content with the status quo. clearly shows that you're not getting it. Most people here call it like they see it, you aren't unique in that regard nor are you contributing anything useful. It's just something about the way you write that is unbearable. Although maybe I just blindly hate your posts for no reason. We can actually easily test this out! If you try writting up a big Taeyeon fan post and I still hate it, then we know something is wrong with the way you express yourself. Or that my blind hatred of you knows no bounds or reason. Here's how your post reads to me: You're not special. You don't contribute anything. I hate you personally. Why don't I propose something douchey to try to look like a cool guy? This is great. I have 3 other online guys backing me up, so now I can really cut loose with all the dumb spiteful thoughts I've got running around in my head. I'm really angry you came in here and crashed my happy little haven of idolatry. Now I'm going to get back at you by saying all the mean things I can think of. Oh yeah, no bounds or reason. Ow. I didn't think my post was that bad. Listen, I'm mostly just confused as to why your posts are so disagreeable to me. I am very glad other people find it the same though because it confirms that there's something wrong with your writing and I'm not just hating on you for no reason. As many people have pointed out, I'm not exactly a model poster either. I'm not going to be the "cool" guy anytime soon since most people here already know me. But at least I would like to be, rather than taking pride in being generally disliked. On August 11 2012 05:20 Fawkes wrote:So which photocard came with the Electric Shock album? + Show Spoiler +Well, at least it wasn't Amber. Aww you don't like Amber? Not sure if srz...but this is KMD, noone likes amber here.
Speak for yourself, Ambro is cool with me.
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