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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8521 Posts
March 13 2017 19:09 GMT
#118981
Just started the Black Lagoon OVAs. Holy, I forgot how good this series was. So fun. Just one episode and they have already destroyed the bar again. xD
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
March 13 2017 19:45 GMT
#118982
Kanna is the greatest. I was so sad when Saika dropped the baton and started crying but Kanna saves the day
IceHism
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-13 20:59:33
March 13 2017 20:53 GMT
#118983
managed to see the Sao movie. the animation and fighting scenes are so on point. nice and smooth animation and amazing fighting choreography. The final battle against An incarnate of the radious was the best fighting scene in all of Sao. Very fast and epic. Also the fighting scenes all come with epic Yuki Kajiura music. The plot is cute and has a lot of kirito and asuna moments but it's pretty much a rehash of the aincrad arc except with another game and dealing with memories instead of death. If only for the action and music, I'd say it's good enough even for people who don't like or are neutral about sao.

On March 12 2017 02:40 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2017 01:23 IceHism wrote:
On March 11 2017 21:23 Miragee wrote:
On March 11 2017 20:39 HolydaKing wrote:
On March 11 2017 18:47 NeoIllusions wrote:
Time to see if Overlord is anything interesting. zz

I think it started of pretty meh but got interesting. Most people here liked it IIRC.


Yeah, it was pretty meh in the beginning but the second half was quite decent. Could be a decent watch, will see. Of course I would like Madhouse to do another sequel instead of this but...


Why? There isn't much good about today's madhouse. What companies have more animators that leave to form their own studio than madhouse? The only time madhouse makes anything good these days is when they contract an outside director who brings along their own set of animators who have more loyalty toward him instead of to madhouse like Shingo natsume.


Err, I was talking about making a squel to one of the other shows they did. I realise it's not up to them to decide that. It was just my way of saying somehow should higher them again, for Chihayafuru s2 for example.

The point about the director is moot because Madhouse has the contacts to hire those needed if they get an interesting project. Also what Unleashing said. I think it would be cool though if they could make a unique original again, preferable something sci-fi. I fear those times are over though.

That statement of yours pops up another question for me though: What studio does reliably make good shows these day? I figured it was always depended on the staff they put to work, hired or not...


some how I missed that you were talking about a sequel of another show that madhouse did. mb
well, the thing is any studio could hire a good director if they wanted provided that the budget provided to them is big enough. I don't put that as a plus for madhouse.

For good shows in the technical sense, I think A-1, Bones, and kyoani are the most consistent.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8521 Posts
March 13 2017 21:20 GMT
#118984
On March 14 2017 05:53 IceHism wrote:
managed to see the Sao movie. the animation and fighting scenes are so on point. nice and smooth animation and amazing fighting choreography. The final battle against An incarnate of the radious was the best fighting scene in all of Sao. Very fast and epic. Also the fighting scenes all come with epic Yuki Kajiura music. The plot is cute and has a lot of kirito and asuna moments but it's pretty much a rehash of the aincrad arc except with another game and dealing with memories instead of death. If only for the action and music, I'd say it's good enough even for people who don't like or are neutral about sao.

Show nested quote +
On March 12 2017 02:40 Miragee wrote:
On March 12 2017 01:23 IceHism wrote:
On March 11 2017 21:23 Miragee wrote:
On March 11 2017 20:39 HolydaKing wrote:
On March 11 2017 18:47 NeoIllusions wrote:
Time to see if Overlord is anything interesting. zz

I think it started of pretty meh but got interesting. Most people here liked it IIRC.


Yeah, it was pretty meh in the beginning but the second half was quite decent. Could be a decent watch, will see. Of course I would like Madhouse to do another sequel instead of this but...


Why? There isn't much good about today's madhouse. What companies have more animators that leave to form their own studio than madhouse? The only time madhouse makes anything good these days is when they contract an outside director who brings along their own set of animators who have more loyalty toward him instead of to madhouse like Shingo natsume.


Err, I was talking about making a squel to one of the other shows they did. I realise it's not up to them to decide that. It was just my way of saying somehow should higher them again, for Chihayafuru s2 for example.

The point about the director is moot because Madhouse has the contacts to hire those needed if they get an interesting project. Also what Unleashing said. I think it would be cool though if they could make a unique original again, preferable something sci-fi. I fear those times are over though.

That statement of yours pops up another question for me though: What studio does reliably make good shows these day? I figured it was always depended on the staff they put to work, hired or not...


some how I missed that you were talking about a sequel of another show that madhouse did. mb
well, the thing is any studio could hire a good director if they wanted provided that the budget provided to them is big enough. I don't put that as a plus for madhouse.

For good shows in the technical sense, I think A-1, Bones, and kyoani are the most consistent.


I read what I wrote again and came to the conclusion that I must have been high. "It was just my way of saying somehow should higher them again, for Chihayafuru s2 for example." Yeah right, wtf did I just read? lol

I think Madhouse is one of the studios I trust the most with faithful adaptions. Probably because of their track record. If an adaption they did was shit it was most likely because the source was already shit. If a source was good, the adaption was just as good in most cases. Madhouse adaptions tend to be faithful, next to no original stuff, no extra flair (hi Shaft), just solid panel by panel.
A lot of that might have changed over the past few years because Mappa happened, a lot of their skilled staff went elsewhere etc. The reason why Madhouse adaptions tended to be faithful might have been due to the fact that their in house staff was very talented and held the same standards in regards of how to make an adaption. I don't know man, I'm confused. : /

It's really weird, these days I really don't know what studio I want to see for certain adaptions/sequels (Kino no Tabi for example). It has always been about the directors but these days directors seem to be less bound to certain studios than they used to be. I only know which studios I don't want to see. For example Shaft or J.C. Staff for Kino no Tabi s2 as some people on MAL have suggested...
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-13 21:29:02
March 13 2017 21:28 GMT
#118985
Their Mahouka adaption was rather lackluster and missing stuff. I mean the LN aren't exactly amazing juice but still. Anime was so dam flat. Guess they just decided if MC can be most boring man universe they should make whole anime flat too...

Kyoani are def most consistent but A-1 when they really try blow me away. Bones is similar but a bit too inconsistent.
IceHism
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1903 Posts
March 13 2017 23:11 GMT
#118986
On March 14 2017 06:20 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2017 05:53 IceHism wrote:
managed to see the Sao movie. the animation and fighting scenes are so on point. nice and smooth animation and amazing fighting choreography. The final battle against An incarnate of the radious was the best fighting scene in all of Sao. Very fast and epic. Also the fighting scenes all come with epic Yuki Kajiura music. The plot is cute and has a lot of kirito and asuna moments but it's pretty much a rehash of the aincrad arc except with another game and dealing with memories instead of death. If only for the action and music, I'd say it's good enough even for people who don't like or are neutral about sao.

On March 12 2017 02:40 Miragee wrote:
On March 12 2017 01:23 IceHism wrote:
On March 11 2017 21:23 Miragee wrote:
On March 11 2017 20:39 HolydaKing wrote:
On March 11 2017 18:47 NeoIllusions wrote:
Time to see if Overlord is anything interesting. zz

I think it started of pretty meh but got interesting. Most people here liked it IIRC.


Yeah, it was pretty meh in the beginning but the second half was quite decent. Could be a decent watch, will see. Of course I would like Madhouse to do another sequel instead of this but...


Why? There isn't much good about today's madhouse. What companies have more animators that leave to form their own studio than madhouse? The only time madhouse makes anything good these days is when they contract an outside director who brings along their own set of animators who have more loyalty toward him instead of to madhouse like Shingo natsume.


Err, I was talking about making a squel to one of the other shows they did. I realise it's not up to them to decide that. It was just my way of saying somehow should higher them again, for Chihayafuru s2 for example.

The point about the director is moot because Madhouse has the contacts to hire those needed if they get an interesting project. Also what Unleashing said. I think it would be cool though if they could make a unique original again, preferable something sci-fi. I fear those times are over though.

That statement of yours pops up another question for me though: What studio does reliably make good shows these day? I figured it was always depended on the staff they put to work, hired or not...


some how I missed that you were talking about a sequel of another show that madhouse did. mb
well, the thing is any studio could hire a good director if they wanted provided that the budget provided to them is big enough. I don't put that as a plus for madhouse.

For good shows in the technical sense, I think A-1, Bones, and kyoani are the most consistent.


I read what I wrote again and came to the conclusion that I must have been high. "It was just my way of saying somehow should higher them again, for Chihayafuru s2 for example." Yeah right, wtf did I just read? lol

I think Madhouse is one of the studios I trust the most with faithful adaptions. Probably because of their track record. If an adaption they did was shit it was most likely because the source was already shit. If a source was good, the adaption was just as good in most cases. Madhouse adaptions tend to be faithful, next to no original stuff, no extra flair (hi Shaft), just solid panel by panel.
A lot of that might have changed over the past few years because Mappa happened, a lot of their skilled staff went elsewhere etc. The reason why Madhouse adaptions tended to be faithful might have been due to the fact that their in house staff was very talented and held the same standards in regards of how to make an adaption. I don't know man, I'm confused. : /

It's really weird, these days I really don't know what studio I want to see for certain adaptions/sequels (Kino no Tabi for example). It has always been about the directors but these days directors seem to be less bound to certain studios than they used to be. I only know which studios I don't want to see. For example Shaft or J.C. Staff for Kino no Tabi s2 as some people on MAL have suggested...


Yea, that track record was built before all their good people left.
I don't know how I feel about just faithful though. I usually want the studio to improvise and try and improve the source along with the author's consent to the changes.

On March 14 2017 06:28 Numy wrote:
Their Mahouka adaption was rather lackluster and missing stuff. I mean the LN aren't exactly amazing juice but still. Anime was so dam flat. Guess they just decided if MC can be most boring man universe they should make whole anime flat too...

Kyoani are def most consistent but A-1 when they really try blow me away. Bones is similar but a bit too inconsistent.


Actually I'm not sure why I put bones there. I think I'd put sunrise's main studios there instead.
Lackbleeder
Profile Joined May 2015
741 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-14 00:04:32
March 13 2017 23:56 GMT
#118987
When did all of madhouse's good people leave the studio ? I can't really find an obvious point where the shows they produced took a nosedive in quality.
Somebody once told me za warudo is gonna roll me
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-14 10:56:15
March 14 2017 10:46 GMT
#118988
On March 14 2017 06:28 Numy wrote:
Their Mahouka adaption was rather lackluster and missing stuff. I mean the LN aren't exactly amazing juice but still. Anime was so dam flat. Guess they just decided if MC can be most boring man universe they should make whole anime flat too...

Kyoani are def most consistent but A-1 when they really try blow me away. Bones is similar but a bit too inconsistent.

idk about KyoAni. They're really hit or miss for me. From a visual pov they're obviously always great, I can't think of anything that they screwed up in that regard but since they're such a big name they get away with everything and are probably singlehandedly the studio that butchers sources the most.
That can be fine if they pull off something great or if they're straight up doing something anime original but it can also backfire hard and annoy people. And while I don't like the usual "omg, why didn't you just do it like in the source" since it's fairly obvious that an adaptation is going to need cuts and changes, KyoAni really takes the cake for just yolo'ing some series that has absolutely nothing to do with the original besides the name.

That's why I'm such a Shaft fanboy myself, they almost ended up bankrupt, Bakemonogatari was basicly their last attempt to make something that gets them money (supposedly), they just followed the script 1:1 and it lead to massive success. Ever since I feel like they're just following the source really sternly with about everything they do since it worked so great in the past for them.
Take 3gatsu as a (slightly negative) example: I've heard from many people that they don't like how much Shaft is following the manga even in the visual direction since all those comedic reactions etc. work pretty well in manga panels but they do seem a bit out of place in the anime. But I'd rather have that than the other way around myself.

///SPEAKING OF MAHOUKA:
The official website for Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei Movie: Hoshi wo Yobu Shoujo has announced additional cast members. The announced additional cast members include the returning cast members of Kana Hanazawa, Marina Inoue, and Junichi Suwabe as their respective roles during the TV series. A new preview has been revealed during Dengeki Festivals 2017 event (Game no Dengeki Kanshasai 2017, Dengeki Bunko Spring Festival 2017, Dengeki Comics 2017) today. The movie will premiere on June 17, 2017.

Angelina Kudou Shields: Yoko Hikasa (Little Witch Academia (TV))
Kokoa: Yoshimi Kohara (Bakuon!!)

Theme Song Performance: "SPEED STAR" by GARNiDELiA

PV [regionblocked for at least me]


source: myanimelist.net

I did NOT imagine her as a Hikasa Yoko kind of voice... not at all... but oh well, we'll see
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1934 Posts
March 14 2017 11:33 GMT
#118989
I just wanna thank you people for this little discussion above, cause I never actually looked into what studies made what, and after looking into some studios, I've found a ton of new anime I'd want to watch.

Also - sign me up for the Sentai filmworks & A-1 fanboy club.
I don't believe you.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-14 11:39:22
March 14 2017 11:34 GMT
#118990
We're talking about technical sense here Toad. Kyoani quality is just always consistently good. Shaft is pretty inconsistent. Sunrise main studio is also quite incredible. Pity they mostly do stuff I'm not a huge fan of.
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1934 Posts
March 14 2017 11:36 GMT
#118991
also, I'm not a hater of LWA by any means, but putting Yoko Hikasa (Little Witch Academia (TV)) instead of Yoko Hikasa (K-On) kind of ruffles my feathers, as Mio is life.
I don't believe you.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8521 Posts
March 14 2017 13:43 GMT
#118992
K-On sucks, deal with it.

On March 14 2017 08:56 Lackbleeder wrote:
When did all of madhouse's good people leave the studio ? I can't really find an obvious point where the shows they produced took a nosedive in quality.


Uh, a lot of the staff went to MAPPA. They didn't take a nosedive because there is still more than enough people at Madhouse and they got nice contacts.
IceHism
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-14 13:54:00
March 14 2017 13:52 GMT
#118993
On March 14 2017 19:46 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2017 06:28 Numy wrote:
Their Mahouka adaption was rather lackluster and missing stuff. I mean the LN aren't exactly amazing juice but still. Anime was so dam flat. Guess they just decided if MC can be most boring man universe they should make whole anime flat too...

Kyoani are def most consistent but A-1 when they really try blow me away. Bones is similar but a bit too inconsistent.

idk about KyoAni. They're really hit or miss for me. From a visual pov they're obviously always great, I can't think of anything that they screwed up in that regard but since they're such a big name they get away with everything and are probably singlehandedly the studio that butchers sources the most.
That can be fine if they pull off something great or if they're straight up doing something anime original but it can also backfire hard and annoy people. And while I don't like the usual "omg, why didn't you just do it like in the source" since it's fairly obvious that an adaptation is going to need cuts and changes, KyoAni really takes the cake for just yolo'ing some series that has absolutely nothing to do with the original besides the name.

That's why I'm such a Shaft fanboy myself, they almost ended up bankrupt, Bakemonogatari was basicly their last attempt to make something that gets them money (supposedly), they just followed the script 1:1 and it lead to massive success. Ever since I feel like they're just following the source really sternly with about everything they do since it worked so great in the past for them.
Take 3gatsu as a (slightly negative) example: I've heard from many people that they don't like how much Shaft is following the manga even in the visual direction since all those comedic reactions etc. work pretty well in manga panels but they do seem a bit out of place in the anime. But I'd rather have that than the other way around myself.

///SPEAKING OF MAHOUKA:
Show nested quote +
The official website for Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei Movie: Hoshi wo Yobu Shoujo has announced additional cast members. The announced additional cast members include the returning cast members of Kana Hanazawa, Marina Inoue, and Junichi Suwabe as their respective roles during the TV series. A new preview has been revealed during Dengeki Festivals 2017 event (Game no Dengeki Kanshasai 2017, Dengeki Bunko Spring Festival 2017, Dengeki Comics 2017) today. The movie will premiere on June 17, 2017.

Angelina Kudou Shields: Yoko Hikasa (Little Witch Academia (TV))
Kokoa: Yoshimi Kohara (Bakuon!!)

Theme Song Performance: "SPEED STAR" by GARNiDELiA

PV [regionblocked for at least me]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5id8ZRg_4k


source: myanimelist.net

I did NOT imagine her as a Hikasa Yoko kind of voice... not at all... but oh well, we'll see


Come on toad, we are talking about everything else except the story.

I wanted her to be taketatsu because it sounded like it'd be hilarious. Alas, she was voiced by Yoko hikasa in the game so I'm not surprised by it.

I am hyped to see Lina finally animated though.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
March 14 2017 13:55 GMT
#118994
The arc with Lina in it was like one of the weakest arcs tho.
Never Knows Best.
IceHism
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1903 Posts
March 14 2017 15:48 GMT
#118995
On March 14 2017 22:55 Slaughter wrote:
The arc with Lina in it was like one of the weakest arcs tho.

???
It's like my favorite arc along with volume 8 in the first 13 volumes.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
March 14 2017 16:43 GMT
#118996
So crunchyroll is intentionally halving the bitrate of their content 24 hours after release. L O L. Why is it that companies subscribe to the ideology that having a shit paying experience will bring in customers?
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-14 16:51:01
March 14 2017 16:49 GMT
#118997
"Piracy is a service problem"
-Gabe Newell

This is as relevant as always

Full quote, which oddly enough applies incredibly well to anime in general and especially to crunchyroll's shitty service:
+ Show Spoiler +
"We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy," Newell said. "Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. For example, if a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24/7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country three months after the U.S. release and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate's service is more valuable.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
March 14 2017 17:00 GMT
#118998
Oddly enough from the number of people I hear that watch 420p anime or lower on their phones as their sole viewing experience maybe we are just in the minority. People really love bad quality.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
March 14 2017 17:26 GMT
#118999
On March 15 2017 00:48 IceHism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2017 22:55 Slaughter wrote:
The arc with Lina in it was like one of the weakest arcs tho.

???
It's like my favorite arc along with volume 8 in the first 13 volumes.


Haha we are opposites then :D I thought the arc was a mess in many ways ^^
Never Knows Best.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
March 14 2017 17:28 GMT
#119000
On March 15 2017 00:48 IceHism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2017 22:55 Slaughter wrote:
The arc with Lina in it was like one of the weakest arcs tho.

???
It's like my favorite arc along with volume 8 in the first 13 volumes.

I concur. But basically Slaughter dislikes how incompetent USNA/how novice Lina was in combat this arc, which I don't really disagree but overall, Mahouka arcs got better and better and plateaued after Visitor. Double Seven and Steeplechase were pretty garbo in terms of plot.
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