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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-03 05:11:09
June 03 2016 04:53 GMT
#112761
On June 03 2016 13:53 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 05:08 Miragee wrote:
On June 03 2016 00:41 BigFan wrote:
On June 02 2016 16:59 Miragee wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [ef: A Tale of Momories ep7] +
Omg... In the middle of the episode after this guy didn't kiss Chihiro I thought the characters couldn't become any more stupid. Then, a wild Miyako appeared. -.-' If this was a good show, it would now go on with professional help because Miyako is mentally ill beyond the point where a normal teenage boy could help her. Judging by how the show goes though, it won't take that route and it's going to be stupid considering the circumstances.

//lol, after the ED, that sportsgirl just deleted all the messages! xD /o\ -.-'


//+ Show Spoiler [ep8] +
Rofl, Kei is the worst. First she is absolutely terrible to Miyako and then she turns away from Hiro just because he does what he wants and that's not what she wants him to do. This series man. There wasn't a best girl award to be given out but it was hard to decide which girl was less worse - up until now that is. Kei easily worst girl.

Easily one of the best anime scenes imo:
+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3YlL40Lrlo

Show isn't too bad imo. Felt a little wacky from what I remember with how Kei acted but it was jealously at its best. Kei is the most terrible in the whole series, always about self-interest. I liked Miyako quite a bit.


"best"? It would have been good in a serious psychological show. In a melodrama anime like this where there is no real consequence nor follow-up on it, it's absolute garbage. I'll be honest here and say that I skipped through parts of this because I don't want to go through a complete psychological disaster if it isn't relevant in the end.

Disagree, I still think this was really well done. I don't see how you think it's absolute garbage when considering the genre. + Show Spoiler +
Sure, they could've had more scenes with Miyako and MC to give that deeper connection that was broken due to Kei's actions but cmon, I think they did a pretty decent job in 12 episodes. From what I remember, Miyako had no one except the MC after her family died (or whatever terrible life event occurred) so losing the MC in such fashion was very distressful to her. The scene was quite impactful for me because her desperation is conveyed really well, both in what she says and her tone of voice throughout said scene.


On June 03 2016 12:45 felisconcolori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 05:08 Miragee wrote:
On June 03 2016 00:41 BigFan wrote:
On June 02 2016 16:59 Miragee wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [ef: A Tale of Momories ep7] +
Omg... In the middle of the episode after this guy didn't kiss Chihiro I thought the characters couldn't become any more stupid. Then, a wild Miyako appeared. -.-' If this was a good show, it would now go on with professional help because Miyako is mentally ill beyond the point where a normal teenage boy could help her. Judging by how the show goes though, it won't take that route and it's going to be stupid considering the circumstances.

//lol, after the ED, that sportsgirl just deleted all the messages! xD /o\ -.-'


//+ Show Spoiler [ep8] +
Rofl, Kei is the worst. First she is absolutely terrible to Miyako and then she turns away from Hiro just because he does what he wants and that's not what she wants him to do. This series man. There wasn't a best girl award to be given out but it was hard to decide which girl was less worse - up until now that is. Kei easily worst girl.

Easily one of the best anime scenes imo:
+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3YlL40Lrlo

Show isn't too bad imo. Felt a little wacky from what I remember with how Kei acted but it was jealously at its best. Kei is the most terrible in the whole series, always about self-interest. I liked Miyako quite a bit.


"best"? It would have been good in a serious psychological show. In a melodrama anime like this where there is no real consequence nor follow-up on it, it's absolute garbage. I'll be honest here and say that I skipped through parts of this because I don't want to go through a complete psychological disaster if it isn't relevant in the end.


The show actually makes more sense if you continue on to watching ef: a tale of melodies. Gives better framing. + Show Spoiler +
Like knowing that there's actually two different cities with the same name where the stories take place, background on why that happened.


Also, consider that the show is based on a hentai-adjacent (haven't played the game; it could be hentai entirely) dating sim. It's not a happy romance kindof show; there is some psychology of broken people in it.

Also, at least Chihiro has an excuse? I dunno, maybe I just saw it too close to watching Chuunibyo, but I liked Chihiro best out of all of them.

pretty much. + Show Spoiler +
I mean, the whole show rotated around a girl feeling guilty about her sister's accident and also being jealous of a competitor to the point of trying to shut her out completely; causing depression and anxiety. Let's not forget the other poor guy who's constantly chasing the sister and constantly getting hurt because of her forgetfulness. Over half the cast can be considered broken psychologically lol.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-03 05:11:02
June 03 2016 04:59 GMT
#112762
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
IceHism
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-03 05:54:10
June 03 2016 05:50 GMT
#112763
On June 03 2016 12:45 felisconcolori wrote:


Also, consider that the show is based on a hentai-adjacent (haven't played the game; it could be hentai entirely) dating sim. It's not a happy romance kindof show; there is some psychology of broken people in it.

.


???

The game is like any other plot focused eroge. Mainly written for the story with a few sex scenes shoved into it. You're making it sound like Ef is some nukige when it is not anywhere close to that.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8690 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-03 06:09:00
June 03 2016 06:08 GMT
#112764
On June 03 2016 13:53 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 05:08 Miragee wrote:
On June 03 2016 00:41 BigFan wrote:
On June 02 2016 16:59 Miragee wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [ef: A Tale of Momories ep7] +
Omg... In the middle of the episode after this guy didn't kiss Chihiro I thought the characters couldn't become any more stupid. Then, a wild Miyako appeared. -.-' If this was a good show, it would now go on with professional help because Miyako is mentally ill beyond the point where a normal teenage boy could help her. Judging by how the show goes though, it won't take that route and it's going to be stupid considering the circumstances.

//lol, after the ED, that sportsgirl just deleted all the messages! xD /o\ -.-'


//+ Show Spoiler [ep8] +
Rofl, Kei is the worst. First she is absolutely terrible to Miyako and then she turns away from Hiro just because he does what he wants and that's not what she wants him to do. This series man. There wasn't a best girl award to be given out but it was hard to decide which girl was less worse - up until now that is. Kei easily worst girl.

Easily one of the best anime scenes imo:
+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3YlL40Lrlo

Show isn't too bad imo. Felt a little wacky from what I remember with how Kei acted but it was jealously at its best. Kei is the most terrible in the whole series, always about self-interest. I liked Miyako quite a bit.


"best"? It would have been good in a serious psychological show. In a melodrama anime like this where there is no real consequence nor follow-up on it, it's absolute garbage. I'll be honest here and say that I skipped through parts of this because I don't want to go through a complete psychological disaster if it isn't relevant in the end.

Disagree, I still think this was really well done. I don't see how you think it's absolute garbage when considering the genre. + Show Spoiler +
Sure, they could've had more scenes with Miyako and MC to give that deeper connection that was broken due to Kei's actions but cmon, I think they did a pretty decent job in 12 episodes. From what I remember, Miyako had no one except the MC after her family died (or whatever terrible life event occurred) so losing the MC in such fashion was very distressful to her. The scene was quite impactful for me because her desperation is conveyed really well, both in what she says and her tone of voice throughout said scene.


+ Show Spoiler +
I think you got me wrong there. What I was saying is that her reaction, that scene you posted the video for, can mean only one thing: That she is completely broken. She is mentally ill beyond the point where a normal person could help her by talking, let alone a teenage boy. She needs professional help, a therapy. However, that's not what happens. After they have no contact for several days and she is alone the whole time, which is insane with her conditions because chances are high she would have commited suicide if the show was in any way realistic, she calls him and is like "oh, so you didn't forgot about me, that is nice". lol really now? And that makes that whole scene in the video so terrible because it suggests _major_ psychological struggle when in fact it's just used to create some drama, aka melodrama, which makes it complete and utterly pointless. And I don't see the point why I, the viewer, should suffer through such disturbing yet touching scene when it's not relevant for anything later on.

TL;DR: The scene on itself was very good but the follow up made it terrible. And that's pretty much the theme for the whole show: Very interesting premises and extremely weak follow ups, supported by stupid characters and cheesy writing.


On June 03 2016 12:45 felisconcolori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 05:08 Miragee wrote:
On June 03 2016 00:41 BigFan wrote:
On June 02 2016 16:59 Miragee wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [ef: A Tale of Momories ep7] +
Omg... In the middle of the episode after this guy didn't kiss Chihiro I thought the characters couldn't become any more stupid. Then, a wild Miyako appeared. -.-' If this was a good show, it would now go on with professional help because Miyako is mentally ill beyond the point where a normal teenage boy could help her. Judging by how the show goes though, it won't take that route and it's going to be stupid considering the circumstances.

//lol, after the ED, that sportsgirl just deleted all the messages! xD /o\ -.-'


//+ Show Spoiler [ep8] +
Rofl, Kei is the worst. First she is absolutely terrible to Miyako and then she turns away from Hiro just because he does what he wants and that's not what she wants him to do. This series man. There wasn't a best girl award to be given out but it was hard to decide which girl was less worse - up until now that is. Kei easily worst girl.

Easily one of the best anime scenes imo:
+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3YlL40Lrlo

Show isn't too bad imo. Felt a little wacky from what I remember with how Kei acted but it was jealously at its best. Kei is the most terrible in the whole series, always about self-interest. I liked Miyako quite a bit.


"best"? It would have been good in a serious psychological show. In a melodrama anime like this where there is no real consequence nor follow-up on it, it's absolute garbage. I'll be honest here and say that I skipped through parts of this because I don't want to go through a complete psychological disaster if it isn't relevant in the end.


The show actually makes more sense if you continue on to watching ef: a tale of melodies. Gives better framing. + Show Spoiler +
Like knowing that there's actually two different cities with the same name where the stories take place, background on why that happened.


Also, consider that the show is based on a hentai-adjacent (haven't played the game; it could be hentai entirely) dating sim. It's not a happy romance kindof show; there is some psychology of broken people in it.

Also, at least Chihiro has an excuse? I dunno, maybe I just saw it too close to watching Chuunibyo, but I liked Chihiro best out of all of them.


Yeah, Chihiro is fine and I think her case is the most interesting. I just don't like her voice and how she talks but that's just personal. However, as with the rest of the show, I think the author threw away much of its potential with weak writing for the characters and their dialouges. They could have handled her case so much better imho.
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
June 03 2016 06:13 GMT
#112765
On June 03 2016 14:50 IceHism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 12:45 felisconcolori wrote:


Also, consider that the show is based on a hentai-adjacent (haven't played the game; it could be hentai entirely) dating sim. It's not a happy romance kindof show; there is some psychology of broken people in it.

.


???

The game is like any other plot focused eroge. Mainly written for the story with a few sex scenes shoved into it. You're making it sound like Ef is some nukige when it is not anywhere close to that.


Haven't played it; only noted when I looked up the show. The plot structure isn't the same as narrative fiction, and you can see it in the shows based on a game. I only know that it's eroge based on + Show Spoiler +
the fact that the end of this series features an obvious "hey, they just had sex" moment at the end that seemed to come out of nowhere; I looked it up and then it made more sense.
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
IceHism
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-03 06:47:34
June 03 2016 06:46 GMT
#112766
On June 03 2016 15:13 felisconcolori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 14:50 IceHism wrote:
On June 03 2016 12:45 felisconcolori wrote:


Also, consider that the show is based on a hentai-adjacent (haven't played the game; it could be hentai entirely) dating sim. It's not a happy romance kindof show; there is some psychology of broken people in it.

.


???

The game is like any other plot focused eroge. Mainly written for the story with a few sex scenes shoved into it. You're making it sound like Ef is some nukige when it is not anywhere close to that.


Haven't played it; only noted when I looked up the show. The plot structure isn't the same as narrative fiction, and you can see it in the shows based on a game. I only know that it's eroge based on + Show Spoiler +
the fact that the end of this series features an obvious "hey, they just had sex" moment at the end that seemed to come out of nowhere; I looked it up and then it made more sense.


Why isn't the plot structure the same? Not that i disagree with you since it's an eroge and not some literary classic or anything but i'm not sure what you are getting at here. Also, it's not a dating sim since the plot of the game is linear and there are no multiple routes. There is only 1 main route
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8036 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-03 08:36:17
June 03 2016 08:34 GMT
#112767
On June 03 2016 05:08 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 00:41 BigFan wrote:
On June 02 2016 16:59 Miragee wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [ef: A Tale of Momories ep7] +
Omg... In the middle of the episode after this guy didn't kiss Chihiro I thought the characters couldn't become any more stupid. Then, a wild Miyako appeared. -.-' If this was a good show, it would now go on with professional help because Miyako is mentally ill beyond the point where a normal teenage boy could help her. Judging by how the show goes though, it won't take that route and it's going to be stupid considering the circumstances.

//lol, after the ED, that sportsgirl just deleted all the messages! xD /o\ -.-'


//+ Show Spoiler [ep8] +
Rofl, Kei is the worst. First she is absolutely terrible to Miyako and then she turns away from Hiro just because he does what he wants and that's not what she wants him to do. This series man. There wasn't a best girl award to be given out but it was hard to decide which girl was less worse - up until now that is. Kei easily worst girl.

Easily one of the best anime scenes imo:
+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3YlL40Lrlo

Show isn't too bad imo. Felt a little wacky from what I remember with how Kei acted but it was jealously at its best. Kei is the most terrible in the whole series, always about self-interest. I liked Miyako quite a bit.


"best"? It would have been good in a serious psychological show. In a melodrama anime like this where there is no real consequence nor follow-up on it, it's absolute garbage. I'll be honest here and say that I skipped through parts of this because I don't want to go through a complete psychological disaster if it isn't relevant in the end.

Honestly, the primary reason ef is recommended as a vn is because its production values are off the charts. It's actually pretty funny when you compare screens from the vn to stills from the anime, because the difference is immense. What's more, the ef anime is probably one of the better looking Shaft works from that time (compared to stuff like SZS, Negima, Hidamari).

+ Show Spoiler +
As an adaptation, I guess the anime was decent? I think it's quite telling that I can't remember any scenes from the show aside from the phone booth bit though. IIRC, that scene is even anime original.

Overall, the story is serviceable, but I'd hesitate to call it good. Miyako's arc was pretty much the only part of the story I really enjoyed, and I think most of that is because I like her as a character. I thought it was kinda interesting that she was genki not due to a naturally sunny disposition, but rather because she just doesn't give a shit about most things. Genkiness as a front isn't that rare in anime, but offhand, I can't think of any other work that uses genkiness as apathy. She's also pretty needy, to the point that the VN basically requires you to act like a dick at one point for her sake (lest you trigger the bad end). I thought that was pretty neat, considering that MCs in VNs tend to solely consist of super nice individuals. Removed from the context of the VN though, it is a much more mundane development.

At the very least, ef wasn't as rage inducing as Kimi ga Nozomu Eien.
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
June 03 2016 14:54 GMT
#112768
Currently considering picking up the Initial D anime, the CGI cars have kind of made me put it off for a while, but is the series itself good if we disregard the awful 3DCG cars?
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
June 03 2016 14:56 GMT
#112769
On June 03 2016 23:54 Unleashing wrote:
Currently considering picking up the Initial D anime, the CGI cars have kind of made me put it off for a while, but is the series itself good if we disregard the awful 3DCG cars?

the series is amazing. one of the best 90s anime. i knew nothing about cars and binged the whole series over a month or so last fall
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-03 15:02:27
June 03 2016 15:02 GMT
#112770
On June 03 2016 23:54 Unleashing wrote:
Currently considering picking up the Initial D anime, the CGI cars have kind of made me put it off for a while, but is the series itself good if we disregard the awful 3DCG cars?


Well if you watch it now the animation and the CGI dont age well obviously, so it will be quite off putting for sure, and its a major part of the series.

But its fkin Initial D !!! Everybody should see it
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
June 03 2016 15:54 GMT
#112771
On June 03 2016 15:46 IceHism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 15:13 felisconcolori wrote:
On June 03 2016 14:50 IceHism wrote:
On June 03 2016 12:45 felisconcolori wrote:


Also, consider that the show is based on a hentai-adjacent (haven't played the game; it could be hentai entirely) dating sim. It's not a happy romance kindof show; there is some psychology of broken people in it.

.


???

The game is like any other plot focused eroge. Mainly written for the story with a few sex scenes shoved into it. You're making it sound like Ef is some nukige when it is not anywhere close to that.


Haven't played it; only noted when I looked up the show. The plot structure isn't the same as narrative fiction, and you can see it in the shows based on a game. I only know that it's eroge based on + Show Spoiler +
the fact that the end of this series features an obvious "hey, they just had sex" moment at the end that seemed to come out of nowhere; I looked it up and then it made more sense.


Why isn't the plot structure the same? Not that i disagree with you since it's an eroge and not some literary classic or anything but i'm not sure what you are getting at here. Also, it's not a dating sim since the plot of the game is linear and there are no multiple routes. There is only 1 main route


Is there any player agency in the game? Choices that have an impact, different endings to the story? That's what I'm thinking of when I say it isn't the same as narrative fiction. The plot needs to take that into account if it's a game. (It'd be closer to the old choose your own adventure books.)
Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8690 Posts
June 03 2016 16:14 GMT
#112772
On June 03 2016 17:34 Spazer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 05:08 Miragee wrote:
On June 03 2016 00:41 BigFan wrote:
On June 02 2016 16:59 Miragee wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [ef: A Tale of Momories ep7] +
Omg... In the middle of the episode after this guy didn't kiss Chihiro I thought the characters couldn't become any more stupid. Then, a wild Miyako appeared. -.-' If this was a good show, it would now go on with professional help because Miyako is mentally ill beyond the point where a normal teenage boy could help her. Judging by how the show goes though, it won't take that route and it's going to be stupid considering the circumstances.

//lol, after the ED, that sportsgirl just deleted all the messages! xD /o\ -.-'


//+ Show Spoiler [ep8] +
Rofl, Kei is the worst. First she is absolutely terrible to Miyako and then she turns away from Hiro just because he does what he wants and that's not what she wants him to do. This series man. There wasn't a best girl award to be given out but it was hard to decide which girl was less worse - up until now that is. Kei easily worst girl.

Easily one of the best anime scenes imo:
+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3YlL40Lrlo

Show isn't too bad imo. Felt a little wacky from what I remember with how Kei acted but it was jealously at its best. Kei is the most terrible in the whole series, always about self-interest. I liked Miyako quite a bit.


"best"? It would have been good in a serious psychological show. In a melodrama anime like this where there is no real consequence nor follow-up on it, it's absolute garbage. I'll be honest here and say that I skipped through parts of this because I don't want to go through a complete psychological disaster if it isn't relevant in the end.

Honestly, the primary reason ef is recommended as a vn is because its production values are off the charts. It's actually pretty funny when you compare screens from the vn to stills from the anime, because the difference is immense. What's more, the ef anime is probably one of the better looking Shaft works from that time (compared to stuff like SZS, Negima, Hidamari).

+ Show Spoiler +
As an adaptation, I guess the anime was decent? I think it's quite telling that I can't remember any scenes from the show aside from the phone booth bit though. IIRC, that scene is even anime original.

Overall, the story is serviceable, but I'd hesitate to call it good. Miyako's arc was pretty much the only part of the story I really enjoyed, and I think most of that is because I like her as a character. I thought it was kinda interesting that she was genki not due to a naturally sunny disposition, but rather because she just doesn't give a shit about most things. Genkiness as a front isn't that rare in anime, but offhand, I can't think of any other work that uses genkiness as apathy. She's also pretty needy, to the point that the VN basically requires you to act like a dick at one point for her sake (lest you trigger the bad end). I thought that was pretty neat, considering that MCs in VNs tend to solely consist of super nice individuals. Removed from the context of the VN though, it is a much more mundane development.

At the very least, ef wasn't as rage inducing as Kimi ga Nozomu Eien.


+ Show Spoiler +
That phone booth scene even looked anime original, it was pretty shaft-esque. I thought it was pretty annoying.

As for the rest, I can't speak of the VN. I haven't played it and probably won't ever play it. That being said, I didn't think everything about this show was bad. The music was pretty damn good. Visuals were alright I guess. I also enjoyed some of the themes/topics but the writing was very weak so in the end I can't call it a decent show. It's bad overall but not terrible.


Katanagatari ep3 was pretty awesome. Ep4 was decent, didn't quite enjoy it as much because it felt dragged but the sister is intriguing.

Durarara!!x2 Ketsu ep7: Shizuo continues to be a boss, lol.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
June 03 2016 16:19 GMT
#112773
Must resist watching ReZero preview. :/ Did it last time, kinda took away some of my excitement during the episode so I decided to not do it this time.

Did anyone watch Kabaneri yet? We got + Show Spoiler +
Hunters on motorbikes, rofl
. I gotta say I dislike the anime aside from the action, I just cannot care for anyone because they are all so unlikeable.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
June 03 2016 17:56 GMT
#112774
On June 04 2016 00:54 felisconcolori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 15:46 IceHism wrote:
On June 03 2016 15:13 felisconcolori wrote:
On June 03 2016 14:50 IceHism wrote:
On June 03 2016 12:45 felisconcolori wrote:


Also, consider that the show is based on a hentai-adjacent (haven't played the game; it could be hentai entirely) dating sim. It's not a happy romance kindof show; there is some psychology of broken people in it.

.


???

The game is like any other plot focused eroge. Mainly written for the story with a few sex scenes shoved into it. You're making it sound like Ef is some nukige when it is not anywhere close to that.


Haven't played it; only noted when I looked up the show. The plot structure isn't the same as narrative fiction, and you can see it in the shows based on a game. I only know that it's eroge based on + Show Spoiler +
the fact that the end of this series features an obvious "hey, they just had sex" moment at the end that seemed to come out of nowhere; I looked it up and then it made more sense.


Why isn't the plot structure the same? Not that i disagree with you since it's an eroge and not some literary classic or anything but i'm not sure what you are getting at here. Also, it's not a dating sim since the plot of the game is linear and there are no multiple routes. There is only 1 main route


Is there any player agency in the game? Choices that have an impact, different endings to the story? That's what I'm thinking of when I say it isn't the same as narrative fiction. The plot needs to take that into account if it's a game. (It'd be closer to the old choose your own adventure books.)

I think the big point of contention was just calling it a "Hentai dating sim". Its just as much that as something like Fate/Stay Night, for instance. There are plenty of choice driven VNs that don't have sex in them. Sounds like mostly miscommunication to me.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
IceHism
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1903 Posts
June 03 2016 18:10 GMT
#112775
On June 04 2016 00:54 felisconcolori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 15:46 IceHism wrote:
On June 03 2016 15:13 felisconcolori wrote:
On June 03 2016 14:50 IceHism wrote:
On June 03 2016 12:45 felisconcolori wrote:


Also, consider that the show is based on a hentai-adjacent (haven't played the game; it could be hentai entirely) dating sim. It's not a happy romance kindof show; there is some psychology of broken people in it.

.


???

The game is like any other plot focused eroge. Mainly written for the story with a few sex scenes shoved into it. You're making it sound like Ef is some nukige when it is not anywhere close to that.


Haven't played it; only noted when I looked up the show. The plot structure isn't the same as narrative fiction, and you can see it in the shows based on a game. I only know that it's eroge based on + Show Spoiler +
the fact that the end of this series features an obvious "hey, they just had sex" moment at the end that seemed to come out of nowhere; I looked it up and then it made more sense.


Why isn't the plot structure the same? Not that i disagree with you since it's an eroge and not some literary classic or anything but i'm not sure what you are getting at here. Also, it's not a dating sim since the plot of the game is linear and there are no multiple routes. There is only 1 main route


Is there any player agency in the game? Choices that have an impact, different endings to the story? That's what I'm thinking of when I say it isn't the same as narrative fiction. The plot needs to take that into account if it's a game. (It'd be closer to the old choose your own adventure books.)


There are some decisions that you can make in ef but I don't remember them affecting the story in any significant way. At most, the dialogue would change a little. I think there are only 8 choices between the two games. Since the protagonist of each chapter is different, there isn't really a common route.

In general, I don't think there is much agency besides choosing a route in most vns.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8690 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-03 20:05:22
June 03 2016 20:02 GMT
#112776
On June 04 2016 01:19 HolydaKing wrote:
Must resist watching ReZero preview. :/ Did it last time, kinda took away some of my excitement during the episode so I decided to not do it this time.

Did anyone watch Kabaneri yet? We got + Show Spoiler +
Hunters on motorbikes, rofl
. I gotta say I dislike the anime aside from the action, I just cannot care for anyone because they are all so unlikeable.


Why would you watch previews anyway? I always skip them...

+ Show Spoiler [Kabaneri] +
MC's still dumb but for the sake of the plot he is right. 5-10 seconds of random engine driver fan service (way too small either way). Long hair dude is creepy. Meh. The fight outside was alright. The only thing I'm intrigued by is the blue thing with the Kabane they have on the train.


+ Show Spoiler [Ushio to Tora ep10] +
I feel like they are going to drag out the fight too much. The fight against Guren was quite cool but happens next? 2-3 episodes of fight againt Hakumen? Pls no.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-03 20:24:32
June 03 2016 20:20 GMT
#112777
3rd Monogatari 'Off Season' Novel Nademonogatari Slated for July 29

Writer NisiOisin's official Twitter account announced on Friday that the newest book in the Monogatari series, Nademonogatari, is slated for July 29 in Japan. The Twitter account also notes that the character Nadeko Sengoku will play a major role the story. The announcement was made on Nadeko's birthday (June 3).

Nademonogatari is the third "Off Season" novel for the Monogatari series. The first two "Off Season" novels, Orokamonogatari and Wazamonogatari (pictured right), shipped in October and January, respectively. A fourth "Off Season" novel, Musubimonogatari, is also slated for 2016.

[...]




www.animenewsnetwork.com

o/

actually now that I think about it. I don't think anyone in here except for elem and me liked Nadeko. Maybe Kip because HanaKana.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Makenshi
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden2105 Posts
June 03 2016 20:22 GMT
#112778
this episode of jojo was great, episode of the season?
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
June 03 2016 20:49 GMT
#112779
JoJo was great indeed.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8036 Posts
June 03 2016 20:55 GMT
#112780
GuP movie for episode of the season~

On June 04 2016 01:14 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 17:34 Spazer wrote:
On June 03 2016 05:08 Miragee wrote:
On June 03 2016 00:41 BigFan wrote:
On June 02 2016 16:59 Miragee wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [ef: A Tale of Momories ep7] +
Omg... In the middle of the episode after this guy didn't kiss Chihiro I thought the characters couldn't become any more stupid. Then, a wild Miyako appeared. -.-' If this was a good show, it would now go on with professional help because Miyako is mentally ill beyond the point where a normal teenage boy could help her. Judging by how the show goes though, it won't take that route and it's going to be stupid considering the circumstances.

//lol, after the ED, that sportsgirl just deleted all the messages! xD /o\ -.-'


//+ Show Spoiler [ep8] +
Rofl, Kei is the worst. First she is absolutely terrible to Miyako and then she turns away from Hiro just because he does what he wants and that's not what she wants him to do. This series man. There wasn't a best girl award to be given out but it was hard to decide which girl was less worse - up until now that is. Kei easily worst girl.

Easily one of the best anime scenes imo:
+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3YlL40Lrlo

Show isn't too bad imo. Felt a little wacky from what I remember with how Kei acted but it was jealously at its best. Kei is the most terrible in the whole series, always about self-interest. I liked Miyako quite a bit.


"best"? It would have been good in a serious psychological show. In a melodrama anime like this where there is no real consequence nor follow-up on it, it's absolute garbage. I'll be honest here and say that I skipped through parts of this because I don't want to go through a complete psychological disaster if it isn't relevant in the end.

Honestly, the primary reason ef is recommended as a vn is because its production values are off the charts. It's actually pretty funny when you compare screens from the vn to stills from the anime, because the difference is immense. What's more, the ef anime is probably one of the better looking Shaft works from that time (compared to stuff like SZS, Negima, Hidamari).

+ Show Spoiler +
As an adaptation, I guess the anime was decent? I think it's quite telling that I can't remember any scenes from the show aside from the phone booth bit though. IIRC, that scene is even anime original.

Overall, the story is serviceable, but I'd hesitate to call it good. Miyako's arc was pretty much the only part of the story I really enjoyed, and I think most of that is because I like her as a character. I thought it was kinda interesting that she was genki not due to a naturally sunny disposition, but rather because she just doesn't give a shit about most things. Genkiness as a front isn't that rare in anime, but offhand, I can't think of any other work that uses genkiness as apathy. She's also pretty needy, to the point that the VN basically requires you to act like a dick at one point for her sake (lest you trigger the bad end). I thought that was pretty neat, considering that MCs in VNs tend to solely consist of super nice individuals. Removed from the context of the VN though, it is a much more mundane development.

At the very least, ef wasn't as rage inducing as Kimi ga Nozomu Eien.


+ Show Spoiler +
That phone booth scene even looked anime original, it was pretty shaft-esque. I thought it was pretty annoying.

As for the rest, I can't speak of the VN. I haven't played it and probably won't ever play it. That being said, I didn't think everything about this show was bad. The music was pretty damn good. Visuals were alright I guess. I also enjoyed some of the themes/topics but the writing was very weak so in the end I can't call it a decent show. It's bad overall but not terrible.


Katanagatari ep3 was pretty awesome. Ep4 was decent, didn't quite enjoy it as much because it felt dragged but the sister is intriguing.

Durarara!!x2 Ketsu ep7: Shizuo continues to be a boss, lol.

ef's music is good because it's basically pulled straight from the VN haha.

Shizuo is always a boss.

On June 04 2016 01:19 HolydaKing wrote:
Must resist watching ReZero preview. :/ Did it last time, kinda took away some of my excitement during the episode so I decided to not do it this time.

Did anyone watch Kabaneri yet? We got + Show Spoiler +
Hunters on motorbikes, rofl
. I gotta say I dislike the anime aside from the action, I just cannot care for anyone because they are all so unlikeable.

It's super depressing that all the characters I like are basically side characters. The main cast is so bad it hurts.
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