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Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
February 22 2015 19:53 GMT
#92561
I think that's an exaggeration tbh. I've rewatched The Matrix before and after the GitS movie and I don't think the borrowing is as extensive as people say it is. I will grant that the similarities most certainly exist, but borrowing heavily? Eh, I don't see it.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
February 22 2015 20:06 GMT
#92562
The directors themselves said they were heavily influenced by Ghost in the shell. A lot of the visuals were borrowed from GitS and changed slightly to fit the movie. The core idea of a having identity outside your physical form(virtual reality in this case) was taken from GitS. So while the themes are slightly different(Matrix being more akin to the bible) it still borrowed a lot of things around it from GitS.

+ Show Spoiler +
They pitched The Matrix to producer Joel Silver by showing him 1995's cyberpunk actioner Ghost in the Shell, saying "We want to do that in live-action."

http://www.warnervideo.com/matrixevents/wachowski.html
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-22 20:13:01
February 22 2015 20:10 GMT
#92563
On February 23 2015 05:06 Numy wrote:
The directors themselves said they were heavily influenced by Ghost in the shell. A lot of the visuals were borrowed from GitS and changed slightly to fit the movie. The core idea of a having identity outside your physical form(virtual reality in this case) was taken from GitS. So while the themes are slightly different(Matrix being more akin to the bible) it still borrowed a lot of things around it from GitS.

+ Show Spoiler +
They pitched The Matrix to producer Joel Silver by showing him 1995's cyberpunk actioner Ghost in the Shell, saying "We want to do that in live-action."

http://www.warnervideo.com/matrixevents/wachowski.html

See that's the thing. You shouldn't base whether a film is influenced by something on what a director said. Christopher Nolan said he was inspired a lot by films like Blade Runner when he filmed Interstellar, but that doesn't mean that you see the inspiration there.

Also the idea of a virtual reality already appeared before GitS. Take William Gibson's Neuromancer and its sequel novels like Mona Lisa Overdrive, as an example. In fact, reading Neuromancer makes it apparent that the Wachowskis were probably way more inspired by Neuromancer than they were of GitS. Mona Lisa Overdrive I think is an actual track in the second movie, which I think speaks way more to the influence of Gibson's novels @_@

What visuals are you talking about, by the way?
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-22 20:32:02
February 22 2015 20:27 GMT
#92564
I see so they intentionally lie to you to throw you off what they actually do? lol

Anyway the whole opening of the first Matrix is a redoing of the opening to the GitS movie. All that green text scrolling is due to GitS doing it. The neck jacks are because GitS did it that way. The fight scene in the lobby is a homage the major's final fight. Some scenes are homages to Ghost in the shell although a lot of the scenes are homages to different Asian martial arts movies as well. Just because an idea has been around before doesn't mean that person used the original idea as inspiration. They saw Ghost in the shell and wanted to take that concept to live action.

I'm not sure if you are misunderstanding my opinion or not. I like The Matrix, I think it's really well done and good cyperpunk. That doesn't mean they didn't take inspiration and things from Ghost in the Shell. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

I mean when the people that made it, people in the industry, movie critics are all saying one thing and you can watch the two side by side to see comparisons between the two I really don't get your reasoning.
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8033 Posts
February 22 2015 20:39 GMT
#92565
UBW: The Heart.
GitS:AAA: I guess I'll watch the new eps and ignore the rest.
Gunslinger Stratos: Infinite Gunslinger Stratos Girls? Also this description tells me nothing.
Arslan: Heard good things. I feel like I should read the manga though.
Houkago no Pleiades: The OVA sucked. How did this get a sequel? Is Subaru funding this again or something?
Kekkai Sensen: Maybe it won't be complete fujobait. I'm not terribly optimistic though.
Sidonia s2: I wonder if the Blame adaptation will be decent.
Lupin III: Hard to resist.
Grisaia s2: I'll let eca be the guinea pig.
Nanoha Vivid: Might as well. Sure hope they learned from Strikers.
Not-Haruhi: It's shit. Shit, right?
Re-Kan: ...Maybe it'll be like Natsume, right?
Shokugeki: I'm pretty confident that they won't be able to match the art, so I'm kinda interested to see how much they fuck it up.
Teekyuu s4: Wow, they actually lasted 4 seasons.
Yamada-kun: Doubt I'll watch it. Thinking about how they've dragged out the story gives me ulcers.
Gundam: The Origin 1: Hell yeah.

On February 23 2015 02:52 goody153 wrote:
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On February 23 2015 02:50 Kipsate wrote:
Rin already confirmed for best girl Spring.

with team nisekoi on the house it's arguable

Tsumugi will be the best girl next season.
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Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
February 22 2015 22:15 GMT
#92566
There's a Gundam next season? o_O

Also, you forgot about GINTAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 22 2015 22:32 GMT
#92567
On February 23 2015 04:22 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2015 04:13 Numy wrote:
On February 23 2015 03:46 goody153 wrote:
i enjoy nisekoi mostly due to the comedy(hilarious fails and other ridiculous scenes) .. the girls are just a plus cause nobody is really unlikable out of them .. and the girls do make a move towards Raku sadly Raku is one of the great harem god of being dense

idk that's to me


Well you are like the connoisseur of trashy romcom so what sets Nisekoi apart from the rest? What makes it have such fandom. That confuses me the most. It looks just like your average trashy fun harem romcom to me.

I'll ignore your claim to what i am. On topic.

It's probably the best out of all the "trashy" harem romcom. Well it's the best i've seen. Mostly the comedy and the cockblocking is what makes it different from the others. And the inevitable drama that happens isn't too annoying. Idk i can't tell but the show is really enjoyable. Other harems usually don't keep my interest long enough like i get unsatisfied cause nothing happens or i get bored eventually.

Slaughter comment kinda nailed it.

idk man... I like trashy harem roms but it almost feels like the girls go out of their way to self-sabotage in order to avoid development. Kosaki is the queen of this but pretty much every girl does it. I mean, when it started to seem like To Love Ru, of all series, has more plot sensibility, it really makes me go "???".

That being said, I don't qq about Nisekoi cause there's obvious no point. I cheer for Kosaki, Yui is prob my favorite, I expect SS Chitoge to cross the finish line.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
February 22 2015 22:39 GMT
#92568
Nisekoi, at least the anime, is certainly one of the best harems out there. Production quality is great, ClariS theme songs, characters are generally more interesting than the norm even though they fall under the same tropes (which is honestly boosted by the fact that the voice cast is stellar), it's not nearly as formulaic as others, and the MC is tolerable.
Writer
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 22 2015 22:44 GMT
#92569
also shaft visuals if you're an artsy hipster
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 22 2015 23:01 GMT
#92570
On February 23 2015 07:39 Souma wrote:
Nisekoi, at least the anime, is certainly one of the best harems out there. Production quality is great, ClariS theme songs, characters are generally more interesting than the norm even though they fall under the same tropes (which is honestly boosted by the fact that the voice cast is stellar), it's not nearly as formulaic as others, and the MC is tolerable.

Pretty good points. I can't say I'm partial but most people don't even bring up art/music when it comes to series. ;;
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
February 22 2015 23:03 GMT
#92571
In the manga I wasn't the biggest fan of Onodera but dat Hanakana tho, also Tachibana's VA is great too.

Not a huge fan of Chitoge.
WriterXiao8~~
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
February 22 2015 23:05 GMT
#92572
Can't say much for the manga but the Nisekoi anime was amazing. The characters are all likeable, good graphics and sound and it never got boring or felt like they were stretching the story a bit like other harems in the past. In other words, it does what it does really well and makes you forget its real purpose. I'm definitely watching the second season once it comes out
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
February 22 2015 23:05 GMT
#92573
The Hanakana effect. Making any doormat character instantly fan favorite.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-22 23:07:03
February 22 2015 23:06 GMT
#92574
On February 23 2015 08:05 Numy wrote:
The Hanakana effect. Making any doormat character instantly fan favorite.

Pretty much.
I do find it pretty cool how some people fan so hard for certain VAs. We def know what we like. o/
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10665 Posts
February 22 2015 23:07 GMT
#92575
Onodera best.

Also pretty sure no one likes Chitoge.
Skol
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
February 22 2015 23:08 GMT
#92576
On February 23 2015 08:06 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2015 08:05 Numy wrote:
The Hanakana effect. Making any doormat character instantly fan favorite.

Pretty much.
I do find it pretty cool how some people fan so hard for certain VAs. We def know what we like. o/


It's not fanboying when Chiwa Saito is a god descended from the heavens to bless us with everlasting joy.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 22 2015 23:13 GMT
#92577
On February 23 2015 08:03 Kipsate wrote:
In the manga I wasn't the biggest fan of Onodera but dat Hanakana tho, also Tachibana's VA is great too.

Not a huge fan of Chitoge.

this though honestly Tachibana is amazing because of her VA,
Onodera is amazing despite her VA.

I usually like Hanakana (not fanboying her but I can enjoy her moeblob voice) but I really didn't like her the first 3 to 4 episodes in that role. Later on I liked it but that's probably just because Onodera best and thus Hanakana has to be fine
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
February 22 2015 23:15 GMT
#92578
I think Ayane Sakura will do pretty well as best Onodera.
Never Knows Best.
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-22 23:25:07
February 22 2015 23:24 GMT
#92579
Pretty sure Chitoge is amazing because of her VA, moreso than any other chara in that show. Difficult to make your usual violent tsundere enjoyable.

And no, Sakura Ayane would absolutely destroy Onodera along with my ears.
Writer
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9768 Posts
February 22 2015 23:24 GMT
#92580
I never watch anime and know nothing about it but i just found FLCL and i love it
RIP Meatloaf <3
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