Anime Discussion Thread - Page 4501

Nagisa surviving was just another route in the VN I guess? Or was it a dream, an imagination how it could have worked out. But Ushio really survived? I personally took it this way: When Ushio died the whole thing was translocated into a different parallel world in which both Nagisa and Ushio didn't die but both stories happened and Tomoya still has memories from the other world. Did I miss something?

From what I understand, the good deeds all accumulated throughout the series (part with the robot, magic) leading to Tomoya having another chance at living with Nagisa and Ushio if he wanted. In other words, they died but he had a chance to resume his normal life after Ushio was born with the wish. It's been a while since I watched it so hopefully someone can give a better explanation lol.

The girl in the "other world" is Ushio and the robot is Tomoya. Basically right as Ushio died Tomoya had the option of not going on the path that leads to him and Nagisa meeting and falling in love but he chooses it anyway. The magic/good stuff that was accumulated throughout the series is then used to go back to the time of Ushio's birth but instead Nagisa survives instead of dying.so it all turns out alright in the end. I suppose this is the way they tried to show the "true end" of the VN which you only get if you collect all of the orbs of light in the VN. In the end the accumulated light allows for Ushio to recreate the world to one where her mother survived and she isn't afflicted with that illness so her family lives happily ever after. I dunno if I explained it clearly but that is what I gathered from the ending + looking up some stuff about it.

The ending is by far the most controversial part of the show. there are also many different speculations that try to make sense of it

I think these are the three most popular ways to look at the ending at the moment since the staff are obviously not helping here

1) Yuuna became a sort-of divine figure theory: This speculation is based on the Shinto religion where heroes can become gods and when Yunna touched the vertex core without her magical armor. In that moment, she communicated with shinju and asked that shinju return the offerings to the other heroes and to change the mankai system while she would eternally be stuck as a yuusha defending Shinju and this is speculated based on the fact that after The Sun exploded and they laid in a flower formation, Yuuna's fairy did not appear on top of her and Yunna was not covered with petals unlike her friends which suggest that she can still go yuusha. This theory would also explain why she was in a coma (because the wall needed to be rebuilt and yuuna would need to defend it until so), why she could hear Togo(who is a miko as stated in the prequel LN) and how she heard everyone else (pressed flowers) and why Yuuna was hurt when fuu squeezed her shoulder just a little (a scene that was replicated in episode 2 after defeating the first vertex) and how the story(to the hero of tomorrow) that Togo read to Yuuna at the end connect to them as people.
Also, this theory further speculates that when Yuuna fainted during the play, it was because there was a Forethize warning.

2) Misunderstanding theory: In episode 7, there was a seemingly throwaway line when they were eating dinner that went along the lines of "offerings can be eaten after they have been out for a while right?". This speculation goes with the idea that the characters, including sonoko, had the wrong ideas about the system to begin with. That the offerings are permanent until the shinju arbitrary decides to return them. This speculation is based on the fact that Sonoko and Togo nearly destroyed Shinju and wiped out humanity and that it made evaluations to the Yuusha systems to prevent such things from happening in the future because the mindset that Fuu, Sonoko, Togo, and Karin had were all destructive. Another thing to note is that they drove back the vertexes so the heroes wouldnt be needed for a while so it would only make sense to discharge them. The faint in the play was a troll.
This is the more optimistic and happy resolution for the characters as opposed to theory 1.
"shinju-sama is a god, it isn't that straightforward" - sonoko

3) Deus ex / asspull theory: uhhhh Yea, you can guess from the name. This is the completely happy ending at the cost of unintelligent writing.

Do note that none of these endings resolve the fact that the world around is all fire. This is a character driven show and not a plot-driven one so the character resolutions are more important. Also, gods don't have infinite energy in this story.

And this show has apparently been in planning / production for two years


Edit: oops, I left one theory out.
4) shinju is an asshole that loves torturing little girls. This one is a bit funny if you think Shinjuu didn't need to take offerings to begin with.

Surely could have been better with more episodes, but for the little episodes they had I think it was fine. Favaro is maybe my favorite main character this year.

especially the first one. The first on explains a ton, but then you can add in some from the 2nd one with them never really understanding the system, and the shinju after Yuki "becomes a god" (from the first explanation) THEN decides to arbitrarily return their sacrifices. Either way, there's definitely a large amount of Deus ex Machina throughout this series but particularly in the ending.

The girl in the "other world" is Ushio and the robot is Tomoya. Basically right as Ushio died Tomoya had the option of not going on the path that leads to him and Nagisa meeting and falling in love but he chooses it anyway. The magic/good stuff that was accumulated throughout the series is then used to go back to the time of Ushio's birth but instead Nagisa survives instead of dying.so it all turns out alright in the end. I suppose this is the way they tried to show the "true end" of the VN which you only get if you collect all of the orbs of light in the VN. In the end the accumulated light allows for Ushio to recreate the world to one where her mother survived and she isn't afflicted with that illness so her family lives happily ever after. I dunno if I explained it clearly but that is what I gathered from the ending + looking up some stuff about it.