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XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-29 06:51:39
December 29 2014 06:51 GMT
#89981
Nice to see Kirei's fighting with his old tricks from FZ
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10666 Posts
December 29 2014 08:48 GMT
#89982
Wow Toad, the quality of this dakimakura is amazing. Its so sugoi. The fabric is silky soft and the print looks really official. Good job man, I love it!

Gonna take a picture of it in the morning when the lighting is better
Skol
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
December 29 2014 09:33 GMT
#89983
Kirei's voiceactor gives me eargasm.
maru~
Profile Joined February 2013
2345 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-29 09:51:18
December 29 2014 09:49 GMT
#89984
Just marathoned Yuuki Yuuna wa Yuusha de Aru which I put on hold previously due to reasons. Enjoyed it a lot, very well executed for the most part + Show Spoiler +
except the end which felt like a huge copout unless I missed something
. Very fun ride, check it out if you haven't.

Hope the prequel LN gets translated.


On December 29 2014 18:33 AsnSensation wrote:
Kirei's voiceactor gives me eargasm.

Nakata Jouji so good.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
December 29 2014 10:02 GMT
#89985
On December 29 2014 09:23 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2014 08:43 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On December 29 2014 08:22 Sentenal wrote:
Its also because FSN came out like, what, 2 or 3 years before Fate/Zero? Sounds more like a problem with FZ to me. Watching FZ first means you unfortunately watched them in the wrong order.

Yeah, but does it matter at all? I re-watched 2006 FSN after FZ, everything was pretty clear. And after watching FZ, it doesn't matter if I watch 2006 FSN or UBW, because both are just alternative routes after the FZ.

The only thing I wish I haven't watched is UBW movie, that was... pretty awful.

It doesn't matter as much with UBW, but there are minor things in there. Like for example, saying Saber didn't develop after FZ is kind of backwards, since FZ wasn't even written when FSN came out, so there was no need to have her already developed when FSN started.

When I was talking about Saber's character being developed, I was talking about UBW, which obviously was made after FZ.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Sterlymobile
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-29 10:08:45
December 29 2014 10:08 GMT
#89986
Man I really should devote more time to watching shows lol. I started the season with like 13 shows to watch but now I only watch the staple 3 shows a week. Log Horizon, UBW and Amaburi but I even fell behind on Amaburi. Holidays be crazy, I watched Big Hero 6 tho the aunt is pretty hot.
"You sons of a silly person"
maru~
Profile Joined February 2013
2345 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-29 10:20:54
December 29 2014 10:20 GMT
#89987
On December 29 2014 19:02 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2014 09:23 Sentenal wrote:
On December 29 2014 08:43 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On December 29 2014 08:22 Sentenal wrote:
Its also because FSN came out like, what, 2 or 3 years before Fate/Zero? Sounds more like a problem with FZ to me. Watching FZ first means you unfortunately watched them in the wrong order.

Yeah, but does it matter at all? I re-watched 2006 FSN after FZ, everything was pretty clear. And after watching FZ, it doesn't matter if I watch 2006 FSN or UBW, because both are just alternative routes after the FZ.

The only thing I wish I haven't watched is UBW movie, that was... pretty awful.

It doesn't matter as much with UBW, but there are minor things in there. Like for example, saying Saber didn't develop after FZ is kind of backwards, since FZ wasn't even written when FSN came out, so there was no need to have her already developed when FSN started.

When I was talking about Saber's character being developed, I was talking about UBW, which obviously was made after FZ.

UBW (the anime) is based on a route of the visual novel Fate/stay night from 2004 (https://vndb.org/v11).
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
December 29 2014 10:38 GMT
#89988
On December 29 2014 19:20 maru~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2014 19:02 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On December 29 2014 09:23 Sentenal wrote:
On December 29 2014 08:43 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On December 29 2014 08:22 Sentenal wrote:
Its also because FSN came out like, what, 2 or 3 years before Fate/Zero? Sounds more like a problem with FZ to me. Watching FZ first means you unfortunately watched them in the wrong order.

Yeah, but does it matter at all? I re-watched 2006 FSN after FZ, everything was pretty clear. And after watching FZ, it doesn't matter if I watch 2006 FSN or UBW, because both are just alternative routes after the FZ.

The only thing I wish I haven't watched is UBW movie, that was... pretty awful.

It doesn't matter as much with UBW, but there are minor things in there. Like for example, saying Saber didn't develop after FZ is kind of backwards, since FZ wasn't even written when FSN came out, so there was no need to have her already developed when FSN started.

When I was talking about Saber's character being developed, I was talking about UBW, which obviously was made after FZ.

UBW (the anime) is based on a route of the visual novel Fate/stay night from 2004 (https://vndb.org/v11).

Of course but my point is that it was made after FZ(anime) and if it is made by the same guys(ufotable), Saber should have some resemblance in her character from previous anime(FZ) and she doesn't have it, at least for now.

All I am saying that UBW series is continuation from FZ series, and Saber from FZ feels like a completely different character than the one from UBW that we are seeing now.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-29 10:44:49
December 29 2014 10:43 GMT
#89989
On December 29 2014 19:38 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2014 19:20 maru~ wrote:
On December 29 2014 19:02 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On December 29 2014 09:23 Sentenal wrote:
On December 29 2014 08:43 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On December 29 2014 08:22 Sentenal wrote:
Its also because FSN came out like, what, 2 or 3 years before Fate/Zero? Sounds more like a problem with FZ to me. Watching FZ first means you unfortunately watched them in the wrong order.

Yeah, but does it matter at all? I re-watched 2006 FSN after FZ, everything was pretty clear. And after watching FZ, it doesn't matter if I watch 2006 FSN or UBW, because both are just alternative routes after the FZ.

The only thing I wish I haven't watched is UBW movie, that was... pretty awful.

It doesn't matter as much with UBW, but there are minor things in there. Like for example, saying Saber didn't develop after FZ is kind of backwards, since FZ wasn't even written when FSN came out, so there was no need to have her already developed when FSN started.

When I was talking about Saber's character being developed, I was talking about UBW, which obviously was made after FZ.

UBW (the anime) is based on a route of the visual novel Fate/stay night from 2004 (https://vndb.org/v11).

Of course but my point is that it was made after FZ(anime) and if it is made by the same guys(ufotable), Saber should have some resemblance in her character from previous anime(FZ) and she doesn't have it, at least for now.

All I am saying that UBW series is continuation from FZ series, and Saber from FZ feels like a completely different character than the one from UBW that we are seeing now.

Ufotable are simply following the route as it was in the VN, and how she was in the VN should take priority over how she was in FZ since the VN came first and it's what they're trying to adapt right now. They're not trying to adapt post-FZ UBW, they're adapting UBW as it was in the VN.

If UBW saber feels different from FZ saber then that's a flaw in FZ since it's a prequel.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
December 29 2014 10:49 GMT
#89990
On December 29 2014 19:38 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2014 19:20 maru~ wrote:
On December 29 2014 19:02 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On December 29 2014 09:23 Sentenal wrote:
On December 29 2014 08:43 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On December 29 2014 08:22 Sentenal wrote:
Its also because FSN came out like, what, 2 or 3 years before Fate/Zero? Sounds more like a problem with FZ to me. Watching FZ first means you unfortunately watched them in the wrong order.

Yeah, but does it matter at all? I re-watched 2006 FSN after FZ, everything was pretty clear. And after watching FZ, it doesn't matter if I watch 2006 FSN or UBW, because both are just alternative routes after the FZ.

The only thing I wish I haven't watched is UBW movie, that was... pretty awful.

It doesn't matter as much with UBW, but there are minor things in there. Like for example, saying Saber didn't develop after FZ is kind of backwards, since FZ wasn't even written when FSN came out, so there was no need to have her already developed when FSN started.

When I was talking about Saber's character being developed, I was talking about UBW, which obviously was made after FZ.

UBW (the anime) is based on a route of the visual novel Fate/stay night from 2004 (https://vndb.org/v11).

Of course but my point is that it was made after FZ(anime) and if it is made by the same guys(ufotable), Saber should have some resemblance in her character from previous anime(FZ) and she doesn't have it, at least for now.

All I am saying that UBW series is continuation from FZ series, and Saber from FZ feels like a completely different character than the one from UBW that we are seeing now.

lol ufotable made it very clear that UBW is NOT supposed to be viewed as a continuation of F/Z.
"Because I know this promise that won’t disappear will turn even a cause of tears into strength. You taught me that if I can believe, there is nothing that cannot come true." - Nana Mizuki (Yakusoku) 17:36 ils kaze got me into nana 17:36 ils by his blog
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
December 29 2014 12:10 GMT
#89991
On December 29 2014 19:49 KazeHydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2014 19:38 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On December 29 2014 19:20 maru~ wrote:
On December 29 2014 19:02 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On December 29 2014 09:23 Sentenal wrote:
On December 29 2014 08:43 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On December 29 2014 08:22 Sentenal wrote:
Its also because FSN came out like, what, 2 or 3 years before Fate/Zero? Sounds more like a problem with FZ to me. Watching FZ first means you unfortunately watched them in the wrong order.

Yeah, but does it matter at all? I re-watched 2006 FSN after FZ, everything was pretty clear. And after watching FZ, it doesn't matter if I watch 2006 FSN or UBW, because both are just alternative routes after the FZ.

The only thing I wish I haven't watched is UBW movie, that was... pretty awful.

It doesn't matter as much with UBW, but there are minor things in there. Like for example, saying Saber didn't develop after FZ is kind of backwards, since FZ wasn't even written when FSN came out, so there was no need to have her already developed when FSN started.

When I was talking about Saber's character being developed, I was talking about UBW, which obviously was made after FZ.

UBW (the anime) is based on a route of the visual novel Fate/stay night from 2004 (https://vndb.org/v11).

Of course but my point is that it was made after FZ(anime) and if it is made by the same guys(ufotable), Saber should have some resemblance in her character from previous anime(FZ) and she doesn't have it, at least for now.

All I am saying that UBW series is continuation from FZ series, and Saber from FZ feels like a completely different character than the one from UBW that we are seeing now.

lol ufotable made it very clear that UBW is NOT supposed to be viewed as a continuation of F/Z.

That is pretty stupid, since it IS continuation of FZ. They are even talking about the events of FZ in UBW, I don't have a clue why would they say that when FZ and UBW are connected...
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-29 12:18:46
December 29 2014 12:17 GMT
#89992
On December 29 2014 21:10 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2014 19:49 KazeHydra wrote:
On December 29 2014 19:38 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On December 29 2014 19:20 maru~ wrote:
On December 29 2014 19:02 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On December 29 2014 09:23 Sentenal wrote:
On December 29 2014 08:43 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On December 29 2014 08:22 Sentenal wrote:
Its also because FSN came out like, what, 2 or 3 years before Fate/Zero? Sounds more like a problem with FZ to me. Watching FZ first means you unfortunately watched them in the wrong order.

Yeah, but does it matter at all? I re-watched 2006 FSN after FZ, everything was pretty clear. And after watching FZ, it doesn't matter if I watch 2006 FSN or UBW, because both are just alternative routes after the FZ.

The only thing I wish I haven't watched is UBW movie, that was... pretty awful.

It doesn't matter as much with UBW, but there are minor things in there. Like for example, saying Saber didn't develop after FZ is kind of backwards, since FZ wasn't even written when FSN came out, so there was no need to have her already developed when FSN started.

When I was talking about Saber's character being developed, I was talking about UBW, which obviously was made after FZ.

UBW (the anime) is based on a route of the visual novel Fate/stay night from 2004 (https://vndb.org/v11).

Of course but my point is that it was made after FZ(anime) and if it is made by the same guys(ufotable), Saber should have some resemblance in her character from previous anime(FZ) and she doesn't have it, at least for now.

All I am saying that UBW series is continuation from FZ series, and Saber from FZ feels like a completely different character than the one from UBW that we are seeing now.

lol ufotable made it very clear that UBW is NOT supposed to be viewed as a continuation of F/Z.

That is pretty stupid, since it IS continuation of FZ. They are even talking about the events of FZ in UBW, I don't have a clue why would they say that when FZ and UBW are connected...

UBW was written before FZ.
How saber acted in FZ has never affected how saber acted in UBW since FZ is a prequel written AFTER UBW was written.
This anime is an adaption of the VN route called UBW, it's not ufotable making a continuation of FZ, it's just an adaption of the VN route which it is following quite closely.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-29 12:25:39
December 29 2014 12:23 GMT
#89993
Seems odd to change stuff based upon a prequel. It was never meant to be anything but an adeption of the VN.

Yorokobe Shounen.
WriterXiao8~~
IceHism
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-29 13:17:10
December 29 2014 13:07 GMT
#89994
On December 29 2014 18:49 maru~ wrote:
Just marathoned Yuuki Yuuna wa Yuusha de Aru which I put on hold previously due to reasons. Enjoyed it a lot, very well executed for the most part + Show Spoiler +
except the end which felt like a huge copout unless I missed something
. Very fun ride, check it out if you haven't.

Hope the prequel LN gets translated.


+ Show Spoiler +

The ending is by far the most controversial part of the show. there are also many different speculations that try to make sense of it

I think these are the three most popular ways to look at the ending at the moment since the staff are obviously not helping here

1) Yuuna became a sort-of divine figure theory: This speculation is based on the Shinto religion where heroes can become gods and when Yunna touched the vertex core without her magical armor. In that moment, she communicated with shinju and asked that shinju return the offerings to the other heroes and to change the mankai system while she would eternally be stuck as a yuusha defending Shinju and this is speculated based on the fact that after The Sun exploded and they laid in a flower formation, Yuuna's fairy did not appear on top of her and Yunna was not covered with petals unlike her friends which suggest that she can still go yuusha. This theory would also explain why she was in a coma (because the wall needed to be rebuilt and yuuna would need to defend it until so), why she could hear Togo(who is a miko as stated in the prequel LN) and how she heard everyone else (pressed flowers) and why Yuuna was hurt when fuu squeezed her shoulder just a little (a scene that was replicated in episode 2 after defeating the first vertex) and how the story(to the hero of tomorrow) that Togo read to Yuuna at the end connect to them as people.
Also, this theory further speculates that when Yuuna fainted during the play, it was because there was a Forethize warning.

2) Misunderstanding theory: In episode 7, there was a seemingly throwaway line when they were eating dinner that went along the lines of "offerings can be eaten after they have been out for a while right?". This speculation goes with the idea that the characters, including sonoko, had the wrong ideas about the system to begin with. That the offerings are permanent until the shinju arbitrary decides to return them. This speculation is based on the fact that Sonoko and Togo nearly destroyed Shinju and wiped out humanity and that it made evaluations to the Yuusha systems to prevent such things from happening in the future because the mindset that Fuu, Sonoko, Togo, and Karin had were all destructive. Another thing to note is that they drove back the vertexes so the heroes wouldnt be needed for a while so it would only make sense to discharge them. The faint in the play was a troll.
This is the more optimistic and happy resolution for the characters as opposed to theory 1.
"shinju-sama is a god, it isn't that straightforward" - sonoko

3) Deus ex / asspull theory: uhhhh Yea, you can guess from the name. This is the completely happy ending at the cost of unintelligent writing.

Do note that none of these endings resolve the fact that the world around is all fire. This is a character driven show and not a plot-driven one so the character resolutions are more important. Also, gods don't have infinite energy in this story.

And this show has apparently been in planning / production for two years


Edit: oops, I left one theory out.
4) shinju is an asshole that loves torturing little girls. This one is a bit funny if you think Shinjuu didn't need to take offerings to begin with.


Prequel LN is already translated and I can upload it for you if you want.

I'm personally a fan of theory 1 since it makes the most sense to me and would be the best to write a sequel out of. Of course, in the end it is all speculation so far and I've seen my fair share of angry people at the ending, happy people because everything is daijoubu, and people who are confused as fuck.

maru~
Profile Joined February 2013
2345 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-29 15:09:01
December 29 2014 13:55 GMT
#89995
I do like 1 quite a bit, but I think at least part of it is probably 3.

+ Show Spoiler [YuYuYu] +
I'm fine with a happy ending for this show because it fits the themes and general mood better, I just wish they had explained it a bit better. Maybe it's just 2deep4me. So yeah, I guess for me it's a combination of being angry, happy and confused.


I don't mind it that much considering how much the show has been doing right besides that, but I guess there's still this nagging feeling that it could've been even better.

On December 29 2014 22:07 IceHism wrote:
Prequel LN is already translated and I can upload it for you if you want.

Oh cool, please do so.
Edit: Nvm, found it.

Edit 2: After reading http://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/2qgskv/spoilers_yuuki_yuuna_wa_yuusha_de_aru_ending/ I like 1 even more and it does make sense and fits really well.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 29 2014 14:01 GMT
#89996
On December 29 2014 17:48 Emnjay808 wrote:
Wow Toad, the quality of this dakimakura is amazing. Its so sugoi. The fabric is silky soft and the print looks really official. Good job man, I love it!

Gonna take a picture of it in the morning when the lighting is better

looking forward to it
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8706 Posts
December 29 2014 15:36 GMT
#89997
After Story is breaking my heart. Feeling a sob in my throat the entire time while watching, shedding tears. My oh my, why does it do this to me? I never expected this. Still 3 episodes left....
Leyra
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1222 Posts
December 29 2014 15:53 GMT
#89998
On December 30 2014 00:36 Miragee wrote:
After Story is breaking my heart. Feeling a sob in my throat the entire time while watching, shedding tears. My oh my, why does it do this to me? I never expected this. Still 3 episodes left....


And that's why it's one of my (and many other peoples) favorites! :D It's actually so freaking good.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
December 29 2014 16:13 GMT
#89999
On December 30 2014 00:36 Miragee wrote:
After Story is breaking my heart. Feeling a sob in my throat the entire time while watching, shedding tears. My oh my, why does it do this to me? I never expected this. Still 3 episodes left....

hope you have a box of napkins near by
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-29 16:47:58
December 29 2014 16:37 GMT
#90000
On December 29 2014 19:38 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2014 19:20 maru~ wrote:
On December 29 2014 19:02 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On December 29 2014 09:23 Sentenal wrote:
On December 29 2014 08:43 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On December 29 2014 08:22 Sentenal wrote:
Its also because FSN came out like, what, 2 or 3 years before Fate/Zero? Sounds more like a problem with FZ to me. Watching FZ first means you unfortunately watched them in the wrong order.

Yeah, but does it matter at all? I re-watched 2006 FSN after FZ, everything was pretty clear. And after watching FZ, it doesn't matter if I watch 2006 FSN or UBW, because both are just alternative routes after the FZ.

The only thing I wish I haven't watched is UBW movie, that was... pretty awful.

It doesn't matter as much with UBW, but there are minor things in there. Like for example, saying Saber didn't develop after FZ is kind of backwards, since FZ wasn't even written when FSN came out, so there was no need to have her already developed when FSN started.

When I was talking about Saber's character being developed, I was talking about UBW, which obviously was made after FZ.

UBW (the anime) is based on a route of the visual novel Fate/stay night from 2004 (https://vndb.org/v11).

Of course but my point is that it was made after FZ(anime) and if it is made by the same guys(ufotable), Saber should have some resemblance in her character from previous anime(FZ) and she doesn't have it, at least for now.

All I am saying that UBW series is continuation from FZ series, and Saber from FZ feels like a completely different character than the one from UBW that we are seeing now.


Saber is subtly different in FSN after her experiences in F/Z but she is still the same at her core. She gets even more development in the Fate route which she is the focus and the things from F/Z are explored even more. She is a half supporting character in the UBW route. Besides the source material for this was written before F/Z and they are sticking to the source. If anything it shows some of the weakness in F/Z (as a prequel) from a continuity standpoint but its relatively decent from that perspective anyway. If you really want to have your mind blown about character continuity you should read Fate/HA which is just a fan disc and everyone acts very out of character at times.
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