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Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
November 04 2013 23:23 GMT
#64861
On November 05 2013 08:14 ragz_gt wrote:
Kyousougiga
KaK

Golden Time prob best of the SoL bunch

Best of SoL is nyanpasu, easily.
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
November 04 2013 23:28 GMT
#64862
Wow, I've never thought of this, but Saber / Ned Stark :O

Both valued honor and look where that got them! :S
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
November 04 2013 23:31 GMT
#64863
On November 05 2013 08:28 XenOmega wrote:
Wow, I've never thought of this, but Saber / Ned Stark :O

Both valued honor and look where that got them! :S

Not the most original type of characters, plenty of those floating around, guess the particular pair is just a new one for you to associate. Sent and I just happen to have already wasted hours on these two. He likes them and finds meaning in what they do, I don't. Pretty much what it boils down to.
Spazer
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada8036 Posts
November 04 2013 23:39 GMT
#64864
On November 05 2013 05:45 maru~ wrote:
It's pretty funny that Kiritsugu actually "won" with a servant like her. Imagine if he had something like Assassin.

The real funny part is how badly the Einzberns always manage to screw themselves over.

On November 05 2013 05:16 XenOmega wrote:
What would you have her do though? I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 'she did nothing'

She fought whoever wanted to fight her
She killed when ordered to kill
From my understanding, as a servant, her freedom is limited.

Her goal was to change the past so that the destruction of her country would not occur. To do so, she needed the Grail, and she fought with that in mind.

+ Show Spoiler [F/Z] +
Masters have no real control over their servants outside the threat of the command seals. For the most part, Saber acted as she pleased. If Kiritsugu were really interested in limiting her freedom, he could have forced her to abandon all semblance of honor. But he wants nothing to do with her anyways, so he didn't.

The part that gets really me about F/Z saber is how she spends all this time espousing the virtues of honor and whatnot. And then she still kills Lancelot despite how she wronged him (in her mind), and in a dishonorable fashion to boot. In the end, she tries to justify this using Kiritsugu style logic, which she has been hating on for the entirety of the work.

And then come F/SN, she's the exact same as before! You would think she'd have thought this stuff through after spending all that time dying after Camlann. In fairness though, the existence of the prequel does muddy the waters somewhat.
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XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
November 04 2013 23:59 GMT
#64865
New lights have been shed on my comprehension of FZ in these past 2 pages!

Gj everyone!
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
November 05 2013 00:02 GMT
#64866
On November 05 2013 08:31 Ecael wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 08:28 XenOmega wrote:
Wow, I've never thought of this, but Saber / Ned Stark :O

Both valued honor and look where that got them! :S

Not the most original type of characters, plenty of those floating around, guess the particular pair is just a new one for you to associate. Sent and I just happen to have already wasted hours on these two. He likes them and finds meaning in what they do, I don't. Pretty much what it boils down to.


I don't even remember seeing you guys talking about Ned Stark. o_O
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
November 05 2013 00:04 GMT
#64867
On November 05 2013 06:43 maru~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 05:55 BigFan wrote:
what's F/Z?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=f/z anime

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=captain obvious?

lol. You asked for it
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-05 00:12:24
November 05 2013 00:07 GMT
#64868
Stop shitposting guys. It's not right.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
November 05 2013 00:14 GMT
#64869
On November 05 2013 08:39 Spazer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 05:45 maru~ wrote:
It's pretty funny that Kiritsugu actually "won" with a servant like her. Imagine if he had something like Assassin.

The real funny part is how badly the Einzberns always manage to screw themselves over.

Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 05:16 XenOmega wrote:
What would you have her do though? I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 'she did nothing'

She fought whoever wanted to fight her
She killed when ordered to kill
From my understanding, as a servant, her freedom is limited.

Her goal was to change the past so that the destruction of her country would not occur. To do so, she needed the Grail, and she fought with that in mind.

+ Show Spoiler [F/Z] +
Masters have no real control over their servants outside the threat of the command seals. For the most part, Saber acted as she pleased. If Kiritsugu were really interested in limiting her freedom, he could have forced her to abandon all semblance of honor. But he wants nothing to do with her anyways, so he didn't.

The part that gets really me about F/Z saber is how she spends all this time espousing the virtues of honor and whatnot. And then she still kills Lancelot despite how she wronged him (in her mind), and in a dishonorable fashion to boot. In the end, she tries to justify this using Kiritsugu style logic, which she has been hating on for the entirety of the work.

And then come F/SN, she's the exact same as before! You would think she'd have thought this stuff through after spending all that time dying after Camlann. In fairness though, the existence of the prequel does muddy the waters somewhat.


F/Z I think kinda clashed with what they presented in SN when it comes to her personality. You bring up Lancelot but he WANTED her to kill him and how was the method she killed him dishonorable? He attacked her and they fought straight up while she was in emotional turmoil because his presence brought up everything Rider was talking about.

I agree though that she seemed somewhat UP for what she was hyped to be, but then again her master had an entirely independent and different method of fighting so she devoted much of her time to helping and protecting Iri because she believed in what they fed her "for the greater good" bullshit that they kept going on about. Once she saw his true nature she was pissed (though I agree when that happened IE how he killed Kayneth she probably should of had a stronger reaction). In the end she couldn't do anything because she was forced by command seals. She would have probably been a lot stronger if they didn't take her sheath for themselves since it has OP healing powers.

She played a very conservative game and didn't push hard enough for one of her supposedly strong convictions but then again she ended up questioning her ideology for most of the show.
Never Knows Best.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-05 00:52:40
November 05 2013 00:48 GMT
#64870
Arpeggio is fun, I would watch that if you have the time

+ Show Spoiler +
can't wait for mini takao's
WriterXiao8~~
Ushio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada868 Posts
November 05 2013 01:22 GMT
#64871
On November 05 2013 08:14 ragz_gt wrote:
Kyousougiga
KaK

Golden Time prob best of the SoL bunch


Whats KaK?
http://myanimelist.net/profile/billng
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-05 01:30:36
November 05 2013 01:30 GMT
#64872
On November 05 2013 10:22 Ushio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 08:14 ragz_gt wrote:
Kyousougiga
KaK

Golden Time prob best of the SoL bunch


Whats KaK?


KLK lol...
sry

Arpeggio is fun but it's not as good as manga, weird personality change and random change to story
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
November 05 2013 01:34 GMT
#64873
On November 05 2013 10:22 Ushio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 08:14 ragz_gt wrote:
Kyousougiga
KaK

Golden Time prob best of the SoL bunch


Whats KaK?

Probably meant Kill la Kill

On November 05 2013 09:02 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 08:31 Ecael wrote:
On November 05 2013 08:28 XenOmega wrote:
Wow, I've never thought of this, but Saber / Ned Stark :O

Both valued honor and look where that got them! :S

Not the most original type of characters, plenty of those floating around, guess the particular pair is just a new one for you to associate. Sent and I just happen to have already wasted hours on these two. He likes them and finds meaning in what they do, I don't. Pretty much what it boils down to.


I don't even remember seeing you guys talking about Ned Stark. o_O

Tis an ancient and fun argument that we have repeated, word-for-word, several times now.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
November 05 2013 01:41 GMT
#64874
On November 05 2013 08:39 Spazer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 05:45 maru~ wrote:
It's pretty funny that Kiritsugu actually "won" with a servant like her. Imagine if he had something like Assassin.

The real funny part is how badly the Einzberns always manage to screw themselves over.

Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 05:16 XenOmega wrote:
What would you have her do though? I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 'she did nothing'

She fought whoever wanted to fight her
She killed when ordered to kill
From my understanding, as a servant, her freedom is limited.

Her goal was to change the past so that the destruction of her country would not occur. To do so, she needed the Grail, and she fought with that in mind.

+ Show Spoiler [F/Z] +
Masters have no real control over their servants outside the threat of the command seals. For the most part, Saber acted as she pleased. If Kiritsugu were really interested in limiting her freedom, he could have forced her to abandon all semblance of honor. But he wants nothing to do with her anyways, so he didn't.

The part that gets really me about F/Z saber is how she spends all this time espousing the virtues of honor and whatnot. And then she still kills Lancelot despite how she wronged him (in her mind), and in a dishonorable fashion to boot. In the end, she tries to justify this using Kiritsugu style logic, which she has been hating on for the entirety of the work.

And then come F/SN, she's the exact same as before! You would think she'd have thought this stuff through after spending all that time dying after Camlann. In fairness though, the existence of the prequel does muddy the waters somewhat.


I think you kinda missed the story behind Berserker.
+ Show Spoiler +
Lancelot's whole deal is that he had an affair with Guinevere, but never received an "honourable punishment" from Arthur, all because of Saber's hangups about being a terrible King, a fake "husband", etc.

The whole reason he went "berserk" is because he was denied an honourable death for his crimes.


If anything, the encounters with Rider and Lancelot just further enforced Saber's belief that knightly honour was important, and that she was a terrible King.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
November 05 2013 01:54 GMT
#64875
On November 05 2013 09:48 Kipsate wrote:
Arpeggio is fun, I would watch that if you have the time

+ Show Spoiler +
can't wait for mini takao's

This. So much this. I can't put enough emphasis on how much this has to be stressed, especially the part in the spoiler-tag.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
November 05 2013 02:02 GMT
#64876
On November 05 2013 10:41 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 08:39 Spazer wrote:
On November 05 2013 05:45 maru~ wrote:
It's pretty funny that Kiritsugu actually "won" with a servant like her. Imagine if he had something like Assassin.

The real funny part is how badly the Einzberns always manage to screw themselves over.

On November 05 2013 05:16 XenOmega wrote:
What would you have her do though? I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 'she did nothing'

She fought whoever wanted to fight her
She killed when ordered to kill
From my understanding, as a servant, her freedom is limited.

Her goal was to change the past so that the destruction of her country would not occur. To do so, she needed the Grail, and she fought with that in mind.

+ Show Spoiler [F/Z] +
Masters have no real control over their servants outside the threat of the command seals. For the most part, Saber acted as she pleased. If Kiritsugu were really interested in limiting her freedom, he could have forced her to abandon all semblance of honor. But he wants nothing to do with her anyways, so he didn't.

The part that gets really me about F/Z saber is how she spends all this time espousing the virtues of honor and whatnot. And then she still kills Lancelot despite how she wronged him (in her mind), and in a dishonorable fashion to boot. In the end, she tries to justify this using Kiritsugu style logic, which she has been hating on for the entirety of the work.

And then come F/SN, she's the exact same as before! You would think she'd have thought this stuff through after spending all that time dying after Camlann. In fairness though, the existence of the prequel does muddy the waters somewhat.


I think you kinda missed the story behind Berserker.
+ Show Spoiler +
Lancelot's whole deal is that he had an affair with Guinevere, but never received an "honourable punishment" from Arthur, all because of Saber's hangups about being a terrible King, a fake "husband", etc.

The whole reason he went "berserk" is because he was denied an honourable death for his crimes.


If anything, the encounters with Rider and Lancelot just further enforced Saber's belief that knightly honour was important, and that she was a terrible King.


I know the backstory, I don't believe it changes what I said though. She messed up but thats part of the King Arthur legends, trying to be "perfect" and all that but failing because of human nature. I don't think she killed him in a dishonorable way, and infact gave him what he wanted except too late to save his sanity. She was blind to some things because of the burden of her ideology, which she was starting to realize during F/Z. Even before she was questioning things which is why she entered the contest to begin with.
Never Knows Best.
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-05 02:19:15
November 05 2013 02:14 GMT
#64877
On November 05 2013 08:10 Ushio wrote:
What are the shows to look out for this season? Only watching Gundam build fighters,monogatari S2,ippo, kuroko, and valvrave S2 atm.

Some of the shows kinda look intriguing to me but I dont wanna waste time watching them just to find out they're bad.

Non Non Biyori, Daiya no Ace, Miss Monochrome and Gingitsune. Teekyuu s3 is airing too, so if you haven't seen the previous seasons you should try it (it's 5 min shorts, but really good ones)

Ragz already mentioned Golden Time, too. I don't think I can rec much else from this season with good conscience.

Edit: Forgot Log Horizon, it's pretty nice and gives big nostalgia feels if you've played MMOs extensively in the past.
#freeshauni
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
November 05 2013 02:23 GMT
#64878
I'm enjoying Unbreakable Machine-Doll, Outbreak Company, and Kill la Kill as well from this season.
Never Knows Best.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-05 02:43:22
November 05 2013 02:39 GMT
#64879
On November 05 2013 10:54 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 09:48 Kipsate wrote:
Arpeggio is fun, I would watch that if you have the time

+ Show Spoiler +
can't wait for mini takao's

This. So much this. I can't put enough emphasis on how much this has to be stressed, especially the part in the spoiler-tag.

Arpeggio 5

+ Show Spoiler +
Iona is being undersold, Haruna potentially oversold even though she is quite awesome, Inc more Haruna awesomeness next ep at the mansion too. Mini-Takao's should appear next episode I think?maybe ep 7.
WriterXiao8~~
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-05 02:48:06
November 05 2013 02:47 GMT
#64880
On November 05 2013 09:07 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Stop shitposting guys. It's not right.

I can only hope this is a joke lol

On November 05 2013 11:14 Elem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2013 08:10 Ushio wrote:
What are the shows to look out for this season? Only watching Gundam build fighters,monogatari S2,ippo, kuroko, and valvrave S2 atm.

Some of the shows kinda look intriguing to me but I dont wanna waste time watching them just to find out they're bad.

Non Non Biyori, Daiya no Ace, Miss Monochrome and Gingitsune. Teekyuu s3 is airing too, so if you haven't seen the previous seasons you should try it (it's 5 min shorts, but really good ones)

Ragz already mentioned Golden Time, too. I don't think I can rec much else from this season with good conscience.

Edit: Forgot Log Horizon, it's pretty nice and gives big nostalgia feels if you've played MMOs extensively in the past.

To add on:
- Nagi no Asukara
- White Album 2
Both great shows and art is very well done. Characters are fleshed out as well and unique personalities.

Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
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