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On November 04 2013 05:38 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 05:25 Ecael wrote:
iirc it was assumed that if Natalia were to leave the plane, the infected would be able to get out. Yea I know that supposed to be the assumption but what I was irritated at is that the situation didn't seem to be that dire. Probably because in other media I am sure you could take that exact sequence of events and just change the last 3-4 mins of it and she doesn't have to die. Basically I am saying is that they did a shit job in convincing me that shooting the plane down was the only way.
Spoiler that.
+ Show Spoiler [f/z] +I was under the impression that it wasn't the only way. I think if I remember the scene correctly, Natalia actually seemed semi-confident that she could hold off the zombies, get off the plane, and then have Kiritsugu help with the cleanup process without her dying.
Kiritsugu just decided that the scenario Natalia was hoping for would be sacrificing more people with all things considered, so he decided to just shoot her down.
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Being an elitist would suggest that the people here would be "above" watching certain shows and refuse to watch them because of their "low quality". I find the opposite here for the most part. People may call things shit but they still have completed at least some of the show in question so they can form an opinion. Hell if you trash on something without having seen it you will get called out for it.
TLADT isn't really elitist, just really blunt about reporting what they like and don't like.
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On November 04 2013 05:38 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 05:25 Ecael wrote:
iirc it was assumed that if Natalia were to leave the plane, the infected would be able to get out. + Show Spoiler +Yea I know that supposed to be the assumption but what I was irritated at is that the situation didn't seem to be that dire. Probably because in other media I am sure you could take that exact sequence of events and just change the last 3-4 mins of it and she doesn't have to die. Basically I am saying is that they did a shit job in convincing me that shooting the plane down was the only way.
Well, suspension of disbelief and how well it works varies with people. In the end I think it just comes down to how sympathetic you are of Kiritsugu's stance is to begin with, since the justifications never really manages to win anyone over and only further annoys the people that didn't like the idea to begin with.
On November 04 2013 05:41 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 05:38 Slaughter wrote:On November 04 2013 05:25 Ecael wrote:
iirc it was assumed that if Natalia were to leave the plane, the infected would be able to get out. Yea I know that supposed to be the assumption but what I was irritated at is that the situation didn't seem to be that dire. Probably because in other media I am sure you could take that exact sequence of events and just change the last 3-4 mins of it and she doesn't have to die. Basically I am saying is that they did a shit job in convincing me that shooting the plane down was the only way. Spoiler that. + Show Spoiler [f/z] +I was under the impression that it wasn't the only way. I think if I remember the scene correctly, Natalia actually seemed semi-confident that she could hold off the zombies, get off the plane, and then have Kiritsugu help with the cleanup process without her dying.
Kiritsugu just decided that the scenario Natalia was hoping for would be sacrificing more people with all things considered, so he decided to just shoot her down.
F/Z is old enough I'd think.
I personally just saw it as a massive death flag, the typical guy who goes I'll hold them off and meet up with you guys later.
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On November 04 2013 05:42 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 05:38 Slaughter wrote:On November 04 2013 05:25 Ecael wrote:
iirc it was assumed that if Natalia were to leave the plane, the infected would be able to get out. Yea I know that supposed to be the assumption but what I was irritated at is that the situation didn't seem to be that dire. Probably because in other media I am sure you could take that exact sequence of events and just change the last 3-4 mins of it and she doesn't have to die. Basically I am saying is that they did a shit job in convincing me that shooting the plane down was the only way. Well, suspension of disbelief and how well it works varies with people. In the end I think it just comes down to how sympathetic you are of Kiritsugu's stance is to begin with, since the justifications never really manages to win anyone over and only further annoys the people that didn't like the idea to begin with.
Yes I agree, I don't agree with his philosophy and his back story imo just showed me how much he is deluding himself.
So far the only thing that is good in this series is the action and the fact that these terrible people are killing each other off. The grail sure knows how to pick "worthy" people.
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Yeah.....
+ Show Spoiler [f/z] +Honestly Kiritsugu is a decent presentation of a tragic hero. He's an over idealistic guy with some grand vision for the future, headstrong with lots of confidence with a hint of stubbornness, but his fatal flaw is his philosophy that the ends justify the means and it ends up just screwing him over by the end.
I mean you can call Kiritsugu "stupid" or you can not agree with his ideologies, but that's kind of the point of his character. I think the sympathetic aspects of his story is there not for us to go "boo-hoo" but more or less explain a little bit about his thought process.
Also, everyone in F/Z is like an imperfect human being and does pretty terrible things for great power. I thought that was supposed to be part of its appeal, that it was a pretty good portrayal of what happened when people with set ideologies, hopes, dreams, aspirations, some terrible others good, clashed.
You just get some of the worst out of people.
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On November 04 2013 05:41 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 05:38 Slaughter wrote:On November 04 2013 05:25 Ecael wrote:
iirc it was assumed that if Natalia were to leave the plane, the infected would be able to get out. Yea I know that supposed to be the assumption but what I was irritated at is that the situation didn't seem to be that dire. Probably because in other media I am sure you could take that exact sequence of events and just change the last 3-4 mins of it and she doesn't have to die. Basically I am saying is that they did a shit job in convincing me that shooting the plane down was the only way. Spoiler that. + Show Spoiler [f/z] +I was under the impression that it wasn't the only way. I think if I remember the scene correctly, Natalia actually seemed semi-confident that she could hold off the zombies, get off the plane, and then have Kiritsugu help with the cleanup process without her dying.
Kiritsugu just decided that the scenario Natalia was hoping for would be sacrificing more people with all things considered, so he decided to just shoot her down.
I had the feeling that it wasn't the only way, but that he chose it because it was the 'safest'.
That being said, for this option to be the safest, the infestation mustn't be able to spread from air (I mean, shooting down the plane, the virus spreads somehow)
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On November 04 2013 05:45 XenOmega wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 05:41 Zergneedsfood wrote:On November 04 2013 05:38 Slaughter wrote:On November 04 2013 05:25 Ecael wrote:
iirc it was assumed that if Natalia were to leave the plane, the infected would be able to get out. Yea I know that supposed to be the assumption but what I was irritated at is that the situation didn't seem to be that dire. Probably because in other media I am sure you could take that exact sequence of events and just change the last 3-4 mins of it and she doesn't have to die. Basically I am saying is that they did a shit job in convincing me that shooting the plane down was the only way. Spoiler that. + Show Spoiler [f/z] +I was under the impression that it wasn't the only way. I think if I remember the scene correctly, Natalia actually seemed semi-confident that she could hold off the zombies, get off the plane, and then have Kiritsugu help with the cleanup process without her dying.
Kiritsugu just decided that the scenario Natalia was hoping for would be sacrificing more people with all things considered, so he decided to just shoot her down. I had the feeling that it wasn't the only way, but that he chose it because it was the 'safest'. That being said, for this option to be the safest, the infestation mustn't be able to spread from air (I mean, shooting down the plane, the virus spreads somehow)
One of the instances where we are just like yeah this is magic and not some biological agent, lol.
On November 04 2013 05:45 Zergneedsfood wrote:Yeah..... + Show Spoiler [f/z] +Honestly Kiritsugu is a decent presentation of a tragic hero. He's an over idealistic guy with some grand vision for the future, headstrong with lots of confidence with a hint of stubbornness, but his fatal flaw is his philosophy that the ends justify the means and it ends up just screwing him over by the end.
I mean you can call Kiritsugu "stupid" or you can not agree with his ideologies, but that's kind of the point of his character. I think the sympathetic aspects of his story is there not for us to go "boo-hoo" but more or less explain a little bit about his thought process. Also, everyone in F/Z is like an imperfect human being and does pretty terrible things for great power. I thought that was supposed to be part of its appeal, that it was a pretty good portrayal of what happened when people with set ideologies, hopes, dreams, aspirations, some terrible others good, clashed. You just get some of the worst out of people.
Typical Urobuchi writing tbh, Kiritsugu is just right down his alley in terms of his idea of tragic heroes.
Fate series is loosely about the pursuit of justice, with both F/Z and F/SN mostly about that. F/SN is fairly simplistic about it with Fate and HF. F/Z is mostly a clash of ideologies, seen in the differences between the masters and even the servants. I wonder if it really shows the worst out of people, it just shows the end result when such things happen.
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On November 04 2013 05:32 da_head wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 05:31 Sentenal wrote:On November 04 2013 04:49 da_head wrote:
I just want to clarify that I'm aware that wing is full of plot holes and incohesive thematic structures, but you need to view it in the context it's set in and enjoy it for what it is. Don't criticize things just for the sake of it. You'll live a bitter life otherwise. Full of plot holes and incohesive thematic structures? So you think Gundam Wing is stupid too? What an elitist. I'd appreciate a little more effort in your trolling attempt. Also, @zergneedsfood: I appreciate your efforts towards having a constructive discussion. I'd be happy to continue this on a later date, as I having things that need attending to at this moment.
Trolling? Is that not what you are doing? Whats wrong with calling Gundam Wing stupid? Are only positive views allowed here? Are all views that disagree with yours not allowed/are elitist opinions? Please spare us your bullshit.
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On November 04 2013 05:45 Zergneedsfood wrote:Yeah..... + Show Spoiler [f/z] +Honestly Kiritsugu is a decent presentation of a tragic hero. He's an over idealistic guy with some grand vision for the future, headstrong with lots of confidence with a hint of stubbornness, but his fatal flaw is his philosophy that the ends justify the means and it ends up just screwing him over by the end.
I mean you can call Kiritsugu "stupid" or you can not agree with his ideologies, but that's kind of the point of his character. I think the sympathetic aspects of his story is there not for us to go "boo-hoo" but more or less explain a little bit about his thought process. Also, everyone in F/Z is like an imperfect human being and does pretty terrible things for great power. I thought that was supposed to be part of its appeal, that it was a pretty good portrayal of what happened when people with set ideologies, hopes, dreams, aspirations, some terrible others good, clashed. You just get some of the worst out of people.
+ Show Spoiler +Her smile as the plane was blowing up made it seem to me that she was expecting it, and that all that talk was just a veil for what "had to be done"
Yea I am aware of what they are trying to do. It very well could be that all this is coming from not liking this particular type of story where everyone has their hands dirty. Though I guess you could say that Saber represents that? She is opposite to Kiritsugu ideologically.
On November 04 2013 05:47 Ecael wrote:
Typical Urobuchi writing tbh, Kiritsugu is just right down his alley in terms of his idea of tragic heroes.
Does he ever do anything to be part of the "hero" portion of the tragic hero besides vague references to what he wants to do.
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I feel as though to be elitist, you have to act/believe that you're above everyone else. So you have to present your opinion and view everything else as wrong. I don't think many of the really common posters are like that (some are). A lot of them will present their opinions, hold up their opinions, but still see where others are coming from and consider it. That's not really being above everyone else, just having an opinion that you support a lot.
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On November 04 2013 05:51 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 05:45 Zergneedsfood wrote:Yeah..... + Show Spoiler [f/z] +Honestly Kiritsugu is a decent presentation of a tragic hero. He's an over idealistic guy with some grand vision for the future, headstrong with lots of confidence with a hint of stubbornness, but his fatal flaw is his philosophy that the ends justify the means and it ends up just screwing him over by the end.
I mean you can call Kiritsugu "stupid" or you can not agree with his ideologies, but that's kind of the point of his character. I think the sympathetic aspects of his story is there not for us to go "boo-hoo" but more or less explain a little bit about his thought process. Also, everyone in F/Z is like an imperfect human being and does pretty terrible things for great power. I thought that was supposed to be part of its appeal, that it was a pretty good portrayal of what happened when people with set ideologies, hopes, dreams, aspirations, some terrible others good, clashed. You just get some of the worst out of people. + Show Spoiler +Her smile as the plane was blowing up made it seem to me that she was expecting it, and that all that talk was just a veil for what "had to be done" Yea I am aware of what they are trying to do. It very well could be that all this is coming from not liking this particular type of story where everyone has their hands dirty. Though I guess you could say that Saber represents that? She is opposite to Kiritsugu ideologically.
+ Show Spoiler +I think her smile is more or less recognizing what Kiritsugu is doing. There's not that much else to it.
I guess if you don't like people getting their hands dirty in a story.....yeah I guess f/z might not necessarily appeal lol. Lots of people in this anime are just straight up dicks.
Does he ever do anything to be part of the "hero" portion of the tragic hero besides vague references to what he wants to do.
I feel like that's kind of what's interesting about it. It's this paradox with he's trying to be a hero but you're witnessing all these morally questionable choices he makes.
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On November 04 2013 05:51 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 05:45 Zergneedsfood wrote:Yeah..... + Show Spoiler [f/z] +Honestly Kiritsugu is a decent presentation of a tragic hero. He's an over idealistic guy with some grand vision for the future, headstrong with lots of confidence with a hint of stubbornness, but his fatal flaw is his philosophy that the ends justify the means and it ends up just screwing him over by the end.
I mean you can call Kiritsugu "stupid" or you can not agree with his ideologies, but that's kind of the point of his character. I think the sympathetic aspects of his story is there not for us to go "boo-hoo" but more or less explain a little bit about his thought process. Also, everyone in F/Z is like an imperfect human being and does pretty terrible things for great power. I thought that was supposed to be part of its appeal, that it was a pretty good portrayal of what happened when people with set ideologies, hopes, dreams, aspirations, some terrible others good, clashed. You just get some of the worst out of people. + Show Spoiler +Her smile as the plane was blowing up made it seem to me that she was expecting it, and that all that talk was just a veil for what "had to be done" Yea I am aware of what they are trying to do. It very well could be that all this is coming from not liking this particular type of story where everyone has their hands dirty. Though I guess you could say that Saber represents that? She is opposite to Kiritsugu ideologically.
Well, that's basically the root of Saber hate. You can like Kiritsugu, you can like Kotomine, you can even like...um, idk, Caster. But in the end Saber is the only one who proceed to preach her ideologies while never doing a thing.
Does he ever do anything to be part of the "hero" portion of the tragic hero besides vague references to what he wants to do.
Well it is Urobuchi, who has a fairly narrow take on the type, so I'll leave you to watch it and decide yourself on the matter.
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I still intensely disagree with the Lolicon tier.
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I should be in Everything Ever tier.
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On November 04 2013 05:59 Kaal wrote:I should be in Everything Ever tier.
I don't see trap and boobs tier.
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On November 04 2013 05:55 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 05:51 Slaughter wrote:On November 04 2013 05:45 Zergneedsfood wrote:Yeah..... + Show Spoiler [f/z] +Honestly Kiritsugu is a decent presentation of a tragic hero. He's an over idealistic guy with some grand vision for the future, headstrong with lots of confidence with a hint of stubbornness, but his fatal flaw is his philosophy that the ends justify the means and it ends up just screwing him over by the end.
I mean you can call Kiritsugu "stupid" or you can not agree with his ideologies, but that's kind of the point of his character. I think the sympathetic aspects of his story is there not for us to go "boo-hoo" but more or less explain a little bit about his thought process. Also, everyone in F/Z is like an imperfect human being and does pretty terrible things for great power. I thought that was supposed to be part of its appeal, that it was a pretty good portrayal of what happened when people with set ideologies, hopes, dreams, aspirations, some terrible others good, clashed. You just get some of the worst out of people. + Show Spoiler +Her smile as the plane was blowing up made it seem to me that she was expecting it, and that all that talk was just a veil for what "had to be done" Yea I am aware of what they are trying to do. It very well could be that all this is coming from not liking this particular type of story where everyone has their hands dirty. Though I guess you could say that Saber represents that? She is opposite to Kiritsugu ideologically. + Show Spoiler +I think her smile is more or less recognizing what Kiritsugu is doing. There's not that much else to it. I guess if you don't like people getting their hands dirty in a story.....yeah I guess f/z might not necessarily appeal lol. Lots of people in this anime are just straight up dicks. Show nested quote +Does he ever do anything to be part of the "hero" portion of the tragic hero besides vague references to what he wants to do. I feel like that's kind of what's interesting about it. It's this paradox with he's trying to be a hero but you're witnessing all these morally questionable choices he makes.
People can get their hands dirty but still in the end come clean. Its fine when characters are like that but when everyone is like him or just straight up dicks then its kinda eh for me. I still enjoy it but I guess I am like the only person who likes Saber? Saber + Rider only characters I like currently.
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I mean, I liked Saber and Rider. *shrug*
But I liked a lot of other people in that show.
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On November 04 2013 04:40 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 02:23 TanKLoveR wrote:On November 03 2013 19:15 BigFan wrote:On November 03 2013 18:50 TanKLoveR wrote:Your post is too big to quote it BigFan lol. Saying Eren is the main character so he can't be bad ass because he's too hot headed would be like saying Goku or Naruto or that dude from Bleach can't be bad ass for the same reasons lol. I don't think you need to be cold and calculating to be bad ass with that maneuvering gear. I get your point about my expectations and what not, the way people were hyping it I thought it was the second coming of Christ but we ended up with just another shounen, thought this was going to be a relatively smart shounen. Kind of like Lelouch from Code Geass and how fun a less brainless mecha anime was, specially the first few episodes of the show. I'm okay not watching Titan, all my friends enjoy it I just don't  . Why do you mean they spoiled the show? you mean with what they showed at the beginning of the first episode? The show will have 20+ episodes, my guess is that they will graduate, go to university and shit will happen there. I doubt they will stay in high school and the band. From what they shown just in episode 1, I think that's where they are headed. Also it's TOUMA not TSUMA. Glad you like it  . PS: I still have no idea what that dream is lol O.o. I mean he doesn't look TOO excited to be in the club in the first place so idk if that's his "dream" but we'll see. Yeah I also wrote down a couple other of the shows you wrote about Shock, some look pretty good . I should be done with Sukitte tomorrow xD or well... later today since it's 5am already <.<. lol is it? There were no rants there or anything >.> You make a good point and I was surprised that he wasn't. I like Mikasa's character. Strong willed, tough, etc... I actually had no clue it was being hyped when I picked it up. Seemed like another interesting story, cool characters etc... I was joking about spoiling the show. Ya, I was talking about the beginning since I figured they'll work up to it so it was incoming. Remember, we dunno if they will go that far so I wouldn't get your hopes up until it happens. Always remember Toradora lol. ya, my mistake. Lots of different anime and I'm not that familiar with japanese names and such so I keep on forgetting and such. Dream: + Show Spoiler +I was talking about the book that Touma was given by his friend then told to help him fulfill his dream. . + Show Spoiler [White Album 2] +it's interesting to see how white album's plot is progressing. Seeing Touma hit the ground was heart wrenching, the poor thing. I'm guessing she won't show up and then they'll get to her place and get her to a hospital or something. Haruki will spend time in the hospital and they will grow closer. On the other hand, Setsuna will be upset about her friend being sick but she might be jealous about Haruki being so close to her. I mean, she got kinda jealous and depressed because he spent time at Touma's place without telling her. She obviously has feelings for him and I think she developed them since the first episode. Touma is starting to develop them as well although she's still a bit in her own world. Setsuna wanting Haruki to call her by her first name was funny lol. btw, do you know what Touma was writing or doing in that book? I mean, we don't have much hints to go by but I wasn't sure if I missed something. Forgot to ask, which one do you think he'll end up with or do you think it's a neither? Well while it didn't have rants, it's just all the text you were replying to + your replies, if anything the rants are better to "look at" for other people since they are inside spoiler tags. Just didn't feel right quoting that one since it was kinda long. Yeah I never knew about Titan until the show was about to come out and a friend kept talking about it telling me to watch it, he still likes it, then again I started to hate Blizz before he did and he finally came around to that as well . I really don't think they will stay in high school, seems like their school year is about to end, Haruki already got into college, Setsuna was talking to her parents how next year she'll go away to college as well etc etc, I'll say 10 episodes tops and we're in college with them. Yeah I knew what you meant by dream, but I mean remember at first he had totally given up on the band when everyone quit in episode 1 and he doesn't seem to be the bands #1 fan so idk if his dream is related to the band. Maybe music related yes but the band? idk I really have no idea. + Show Spoiler +Also it was something Haruki's friend had not him.. he didn't seem to recognize it when Touma was waving it around with the teacher, I think if it was his or idk something of his he would have been like O.o when did Lizuka gave her that ? wtf. I thought that might happen but it didn't. I'm glad you watched the whole thing in one sitting lol, hardcore :O! that /whip is totally working . Yes I agree about Touma, that crap with her at the end was like NOOOOOOOO TOUMA WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU D:!. Probably didn't sleep for several days before the concert and passed out when her system felt she stopped pumping adrenaline once she was "done". I don't know about that in the hospital, I think you're getting REALLY ahead of yourself. While yes there's been some moments in the show that show they like each other, I don't think we're in the realm of people like kissing/being overly affectionate towards each other yet. She'll probably go to the hospital but both Setsuna and Haruki will be there, just like they did after her freak out with the teacher in the music room, Haruki wants everyone to feel part of the group and that they're a "unit" not him and Touma and Setsuna on the outside that's what caused toothbrush-gate lol. While yes it is very obvious that Setsuna likes Haruki (Also Touma I mean she worked so hard for his "dream", no one would do that unless they liked someone A LOT), Setsuna worked so hard to recruit Touma for the band because Haruki wanted her there not because she had any particular attachment to the piano playing person she didn't know lol. She got jealous I'll say 90% because of her past history with her friends and what happened there, she didn't want to feel left out of the new group she found, I think if she was perceiving that Touma was stealing Haruki romantically she would have pulled out the claws not just be all emo about it. It's obvious they both like Haruki and Haruki likes Touma because she's so cool and talented (not that Touma thinks she is lol), that part by the train when Touma pulls him off the train was like :O! TOUMA WHAT ARE YOU DOING!? Haruki was like O_O WUT!?. Either way I think the "dream" is probably some sort of song or something and that's why Lizuka gave it to Touma who is very musically talented and all that, she was probably writing some music/working on some arrangements for the event? that's my best guess since like you I don't have much to go by. If I had to "guess" which at this point is pretty difficult, I'll say Touma but I can't say that sure by much since he promised Setsuna that whole I'll never let you go and stop talking to you blah blah thing, I guess we'll find out, this show is going to be long and lots of shit will happen. ya, no worries. Oh, I see about titan. Well, I'm hoping they don't say in high school lol and you make a good point. + Show Spoiler +ya, I was surprised he didn't recognize it as well. It's from a while back(2007). Nah, it's only 5 episodes, not that hardcore Pull back da whip or else >.> Yes, that scene was sad. She obviously overworked herself at the worst time. Wonder how they will react. yes, I probably am but how are they going to build up their relationship? cmon, she has no family or rather one that hasn't seen her in a long time compared to Setsuna. I think Haruki knows that and that will make him make an effort to get closer to comfort her. It's just a guess though and possibly a bit out there. Toothbrush incident was funny. I remember reading the words toothbrush from your post a while back so I noticed lol. It was needed I think, to generate some drama. yes, her history is pretty important and I agree. well, maybe not romantically but everything is heading in that direction so far. ya true true and that part was wtf to me as well. That promise might be a nail in the coffin for Touma although he said it as friends and not lovers. Who knows? I'm really interested to see what directions the show takes
+ Show Spoiler [Response] +Well aren't they still in 2007? so the notebook is only like 1 month old, according to Touma's clock which they showed A LOT it was like november something, I'm mostly curious about the book than anything else at this point lol. WTF is it about? What is in it? What is the "dream"? Why did Lizuka gave it to Touma except for the fact that it seems she's totally into him and she's musically talented? Which is the one thing that makes me think it's musically related. While she may not have any family none that we see (though in the first episode you can see her mom went to cheer for her at the concert), Haruki doesn't have any family to speak of either, her mom seems to be MIA from episode 1, all we know is that she exists because she left that note about dinner. But I don't think Haruki is that forward to be honest, I doubt he'll see her being in the hospital as an "opportunity" to do anything but take care of her which I doubt she'll do without Setsuna 99% of the time. But I could be wrong so we'll see next week. For now I think Setsuna will make an effort to get closer to Touma and finally get her to call her by her first name , we'll see how that works out for her. I really do think she's making an effort to get close to Touma while obviously liking Haruki. Also there's one thing I wanted to ask, you remember when Setsuna and Touma were together in the music room in episode 4 when Setsuna asks her when they will be able to practice together and Touma says the weekend, Setsuna has this odd look for a second after Touma said that.. Am I looking too into it or do you think that look means anything?. They do sort of hint at Setsuna being overly fake sometimes, and there she had that odd look and then replied with a happy looking face suddenly. I don't think Haruki ever implied anything as lovers or otherwise with that, just that he'll stick around in her life no matter what unless she doesn't want him to be there any more, which is nice but again if Setsuna doesn't want him he's free to go :o. I don't think we'll see anything ROMANTIC like kisses or any advancements until after the concert, I think that's how they are handling things, once they open that can of worms is gonna get ugly so I think they are taking their time with that. This theory is helped by the fact that Haruki was saying how that was the last time they were all together and happy, so I think of it as you know no one was doing anything behind anyone's back and no one was declaring love for anyone we were just happy friends lol.
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On November 04 2013 05:51 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2013 05:47 Ecael wrote:
Typical Urobuchi writing tbh, Kiritsugu is just right down his alley in terms of his idea of tragic heroes. Does he ever do anything to be part of the "hero" portion of the tragic hero besides vague references to what he wants to do.
He saves peope (well, usually saving the many by sacrificing the few). He's also trying to obtain the grail to create a better world.
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