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Anyone know where I can find Venus & Brave OST? Seems like I lost it...
On June 11 2013 03:17 Silvanel wrote: So i dont have strenght to browse trough this whole thread. What do You guys would recommend for someone who liked: Cowboy Bebop FullMetal Alchemist Berserk Vampire Hunter D Hellsing (kinda) Ergo Proxy
Something like that...
Try: Trigun Gungrave Black Lagoon Witch Hunter Robin Wolf's Rain
By the way, the mysteries were not the point of Hyouka anyway. I wouldn't even classify it as a mystery anime, at least not primarily.
Eh, the anime was just kyoani taking a shit source and adding nothing of value to it. They did manage to make it look real pretty though. Nevermind that the author and publish both label the books as mystery though. Not that it'd improve any if you don't think of it as such.
When I don't think of Another's anime adaptation as mystery, but as a comedy, it helped me feel less bad about the whole affair. Doesn't change the fact that it was objectively horrible though.
Urobuchi labeled Madoka as a healing-type anime (it IS in a way, just not your typical one I guess). Obviously there are mystery aspects to Hyouka, but they are rather mundane and are a means to an end rather than the main focus. It's a coming of age story that is living from the character interaction (and being pretty). If you're looking for mystery, then yeah it probably is not the thing for you, but you're also not judging it for what it is then.
On June 11 2013 03:17 Silvanel wrote: So i dont have strenght to browse trough this whole thread. What do You guys would recommend for someone who liked: Cowboy Bebop FullMetal Alchemist Berserk Vampire Hunter D Hellsing (kinda) Ergo Proxy
Something like that...
only kinda on hellsing? you didn't see hellsing ultimate then ... in any case i would go with baccano ga-rei zero fate zero d gray man psycho pass claymore darker than black deadman wonderland at least for things that are somewhat similar to those...
By the way, the mysteries were not the point of Hyouka anyway. I wouldn't even classify it as a mystery anime, at least not primarily.
Eh, the anime was just kyoani taking a shit source and adding nothing of value to it. They did manage to make it look real pretty though. Nevermind that the author and publish both label the books as mystery though. Not that it'd improve any if you don't think of it as such.
When I don't think of Another's anime adaptation as mystery, but as a comedy, it helped me feel less bad about the whole affair. Doesn't change the fact that it was objectively horrible though.
Urobuchi labeled Madoka as a healing-type anime (it IS in a way, just not your typical one I guess). Obviously there are mystery aspects to Hyouka, but they are rather mundane and are a means to an end rather than the main focus. It's a coming of age story that is living from the character interaction (and being pretty). If you're looking for mystery, then yeah it probably is not the thing for you, but you're also not judging it for what it is then.
If Hyouka was like Madoka and was original content I might find your point more convincing. Except Hyouka was published across magazines and individual vols from 2001 and on, submitted under mystery and horror for Kadokawa's contest. Published out of a mystery magazine for short stories, under a section of Kadokawa that specialized in mystery. With the author himself saying that characters were modeled after Holmes and Watson, with stories that were direct references (or if his words were to be trusted, homages) of stories by Cox. Then, Kyoani made an anime out of it with no significant changes and all the sudden it is a deep coming of ages anime.
If anything, you are the one who is not judging Hyouka for what it is. It is true that the author tried to focus on a style that isn't standard mystery, that doesn't change the core of the work. I'll refrain to address what I think about what you said to be the important aspect of Hyouka beyond that I think even PA works does a better job for that genre.
On June 10 2013 19:29 Kamais Ookin wrote: I'd rather have elitist people in this thread with good taste and the mental capacity to like anime properly instead of your typical weeaboo/casual anime viewer who thinks shows like naruto and bleach are masterpieces. I like people who are critical of the anime they watch and give reasons for why it was good or bad. So with that being said... I love the douchebags in this thread.
Gab that to my mug then see what comes about
ADT just suffers from lots of people with different tastes being forced to use one thread. Normally anywhere else people will either stay away from what they don't like unless they're trying to cause an argument, but here people feel the need to post their opinion on whatever series is being talked about for not really any reason. You only have to say Madoka or Bakemonogatari for someone to jump in and go "IT'S JUST LITTLE GIRLS SUFFERING" or "IT'S PRETENTIOUS". In the end you just get a lot of one genre dominating the thread and people going crazy if you don't agree. Nobody really discusses newer anime in the thread, usually it lasts like 5 posts and then nobody replies. You can talk about gundam for a while though.
IRC is always pretty shit regardless of what the topic (not just ADT) is usually, but that's your own fault if you use it.
I wanted to post this rather than actually reply to someone though. It's Oreimo LN related. + Show Spoiler +
I know there are some Kuroneko fans in here. This is what she gets for leaving Kyousuke in the first place.
I agree! The IRC Clique has gone on for far too long, polluting this thread with its elitist bullshit! It is time for us to rise up! However, Hey Sean is not going far enough. So far he has simply touched upon the root of all IRC evil, aers. But there are tons more that need to be called out. If they think they can get away with calling quality, intelligent, thoughtful works like 'Madoka', 'Bakemonogatari', 'Hyouka', and 'My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute' "shit", and then not have anime they like being called shit, they have another thing coming. Let us begin the Crusade against IRC!
What do IRC Clique Elitist like Elem, Souma, EchOne, Nagisama, Maxie, Southlight, Ecael, ragz_gt, Shauni, and their leader, aers, all have in common? The fact that they all have bad taste in cartoons? Yes. But more than that! Every single one of these people either gave 'Higurashi no Naku Koro ni' a score of 8/10 or higher, OR profess to like it! This is unforgivable, and the most central reason for the Crusade against #tladt. For the record I don't actually know if aers has even watched Higurashi or not, but considering he is the root of all evil, I can just assume he has.
There are many reasons why this anime is bad, and people who like it should be ashamed. First off, the anime takes the guts out of what is essentially a mystery story, rips it all out and flushes it down the toilet. If I would have only watched the anime, I would think it was just a story about kids and little girls going crazy and murdering each other, while wearing derp faces. Many parts that make it a mystery are either brushed over, skipped entirely, or perhaps in the most "oh shit we are really bad at directing anime lol" cases, they go back in the seconds season and throw in anime-only filler to explain points, or sloppily frankenstein parts of earlier chapters into later ones, since they forgot the first time. Exposition and character development are practically non-existent. Things that should be subtle are obvious. How dare people bash amazing things like Hyouka but then profess to like Higurashi?
Secondly, the anime looks like absolute shit. It is Deen QUALITY animation at its finest. And this is very important as well, since it becomes impossible to take the stuff that did get left in the anime seriously. I mean come on, can you actually take scenes like this seriously: + Show Spoiler +
No, you can't. It is impossible. And for some reason, this anime has a fetish for plastering derp faces like that all over the already poorly animated shit that is Higurashi.
Some of these people are even worse than the rest. Namely, Elem and Ecael. I don't know what exactly Ecael thinks of it besides "It was good", but Elem has the audacity to give it a 9/10. Both of these people read the Visual Novel with is a million times better than the anime!!! Have they no shame?
On June 11 2013 00:20 Dismay wrote: Do you mean like that time you said fujoshi were literally killing anime by supporting shows they like when Free came up, Sean?
On June 11 2013 01:41 Ecael wrote: The thing though is that mystery doesn't necessarily mean that you need to solve crimes or deal with conspiracies or whatever. The process itself is important, that's where Hyouka really fails to deliver. It isn't really a problem to have small 'mysteries' that's just like a byproduct of daily life only noticed because of random curiosity. As long as the process toward getting an answer can be made to be compelling, the story would have some worth as a mystery far as I am concerned. So in that aspect, vol 4 and 5 were a bit of an improvement. Though that probably has to do more with the fact that vol 4 was a short story compilation and 5 was basically a compilation that took a cute approach for narration. Trying to have that kind of slice of life 'mystery' esque thing while maintaining focus for a full length book just wasn't working out with the bland characters.
The author performs better with his non-series stuff though imo, particularly once he stopped trying to write in that slice of life mystery style.
The mystery thrive on suspense, and the cheap way to do so is throwing in some bodies and conspiracies. It's always more compelling to decode something left by a spy than by your classmate. As sleuthing goes Hyouka is on par with most of the standard mystery stories. But it simply lacks the atmosphere to attract lots of mystery fans.
It is kind of odd to get that response after saying that I made my evaluation without any regard for the lack of a dead body, but I can't deny that it might have been a factor. I don't think that the play detective aspect of it hits the par for mysteries though. Thing with mysteries is that there is no real shame in recycling the more than abundant prior works as long as you can put a spin to it, or even make it just a modernized version of something (see BBC's Sherlock). Hyouka can't even do that.
When you come down to mystery solving most mystery novels or TV series end up with some old unimaginative plots. They cover it up with breath taking suspense. So yes, few people will actually demand bodies, what they actually want is the atmosphere which can conviently generated by bodies. And that is what Hyouka failed to provide.
On June 11 2013 01:41 Ecael wrote: The thing though is that mystery doesn't necessarily mean that you need to solve crimes or deal with conspiracies or whatever. The process itself is important, that's where Hyouka really fails to deliver. It isn't really a problem to have small 'mysteries' that's just like a byproduct of daily life only noticed because of random curiosity. As long as the process toward getting an answer can be made to be compelling, the story would have some worth as a mystery far as I am concerned. So in that aspect, vol 4 and 5 were a bit of an improvement. Though that probably has to do more with the fact that vol 4 was a short story compilation and 5 was basically a compilation that took a cute approach for narration. Trying to have that kind of slice of life 'mystery' esque thing while maintaining focus for a full length book just wasn't working out with the bland characters.
The author performs better with his non-series stuff though imo, particularly once he stopped trying to write in that slice of life mystery style.
The mystery thrive on suspense, and the cheap way to do so is throwing in some bodies and conspiracies. It's always more compelling to decode something left by a spy than by your classmate. As sleuthing goes Hyouka is on par with most of the standard mystery stories. But it simply lacks the atmosphere to attract lots of mystery fans.
It is kind of odd to get that response after saying that I made my evaluation without any regard for the lack of a dead body, but I can't deny that it might have been a factor. I don't think that the play detective aspect of it hits the par for mysteries though. Thing with mysteries is that there is no real shame in recycling the more than abundant prior works as long as you can put a spin to it, or even make it just a modernized version of something (see BBC's Sherlock). Hyouka can't even do that.
When you come down to mystery solving most mystery novels or TV series end up with some old unimaginative plots. They cover it up with breath taking suspense. So yes, few people will actually demand bodies, what they actually want is the atmosphere which can conviently generated by bodies. And that is what Hyouka failed to provide.
That's a kinder interpretation than I think the work deserves but I can work with that.
On June 10 2013 19:29 Kamais Ookin wrote: I'd rather have elitist people in this thread with good taste and the mental capacity to like anime properly instead of your typical weeaboo/casual anime viewer who thinks shows like naruto and bleach are masterpieces. I like people who are critical of the anime they watch and give reasons for why it was good or bad. So with that being said... I love the douchebags in this thread.
Gab that to my mug then see what comes about
ADT just suffers from lots of people with different tastes being forced to use one thread. Normally anywhere else people will either stay away from what they don't like unless they're trying to cause an argument, but here people feel the need to post their opinion on whatever series is being talked about for not really any reason. You only have to say Madoka or Bakemonogatari for someone to jump in and go "IT'S JUST LITTLE GIRLS SUFFERING" or "IT'S PRETENTIOUS". In the end you just get a lot of one genre dominating the thread and people going crazy if you don't agree. Nobody really discusses newer anime in the thread, usually it lasts like 5 posts and then nobody replies. You can talk about gundam for a while though.
IRC is always pretty shit regardless of what the topic (not just ADT) is usually, but that's your own fault if you use it.
I wanted to post this rather than actually reply to someone though. It's Oreimo LN related. + Show Spoiler +
I know there are some Kuroneko fans in here. This is what she gets for leaving Kyousuke in the first place.
I agree! The IRC Clique has gone on for far too long, polluting this thread with its elitist bullshit! It is time for us to rise up! However, Hey Sean is not going far enough. So far he has simply touched upon the root of all IRC evil, aers. But there are tons more that need to be called out. If they think they can get away with calling quality, intelligent, thoughtful works like 'Madoka', 'Bakemonogatari', 'Hyouka', and 'My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute' "shit", and then not have anime they like being called shit, they have another thing coming. Let us begin the Crusade against IRC!
What do IRC Clique Elitist like Elem, Souma, EchOne, Nagisama, Maxie, Southlight, Ecael, ragz_gt, Shauni, and their leader, aers, all have in common? The fact that they all have bad taste in cartoons? Yes. But more than that! Every single one of these people either gave 'Higurashi no Naku Koro ni' a score of 8/10 or higher, OR profess to like it! This is unforgivable, and the most central reason for the Crusade against #tladt. For the record I don't actually know if aers has even watched Higurashi or not, but considering he is the root of all evil, I can just assume he has.
There are many reasons why this anime is bad, and people who like it should be ashamed. First off, the anime takes the guts out of what is essentially a mystery story, rips it all out and flushes it down the toilet. If I would have only watched the anime, I would think it was just a story about kids and little girls going crazy and murdering each other, while wearing derp faces. Many parts that make it a mystery are either brushed over, skipped entirely, or perhaps in the most "oh shit we are really bad at directing anime lol" cases, they go back in the seconds season and throw in anime-only filler to explain points, or sloppily frankenstein parts of earlier chapters into later ones, since they forgot the first time. Exposition and character development are practically non-existent. Things that should be subtle are obvious. How dare people bash amazing things like Hyouka but then profess to like Higurashi?
Secondly, the anime looks like absolute shit. It is Deen QUALITY animation at its finest. And this is very important as well, since it becomes impossible to take the stuff that did get left in the anime seriously. I mean come on, can you actually take scenes like this seriously: + Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD4HpCOfzD4
No, you can't. It is impossible. And for some reason, this anime has a fetish for plastering derp faces like that all over the already poorly animated shit that is Higurashi.
Some of these people are even worse than the rest. Namely, Elem and Ecael. I don't know what exactly Ecael thinks of it besides "It was good", but Elem has the audacity to give it a 9/10. Both of these people read the Visual Novel with is a million times better than the anime!!! Have they no shame?
On June 11 2013 00:20 Dismay wrote: Do you mean like that time you said fujoshi were literally killing anime by supporting shows they like when Free came up, Sean?
Oh yeah, Sean was that guy.
was wondering when the token wall of sarcasm was going to pop up. I dont know who got the worse end of the nonsense the Higurashi anime or that guy whining about the irc channel.
These last few pages kinda felt like watching this..
On June 10 2013 19:29 Kamais Ookin wrote: I'd rather have elitist people in this thread with good taste and the mental capacity to like anime properly instead of your typical weeaboo/casual anime viewer who thinks shows like naruto and bleach are masterpieces. I like people who are critical of the anime they watch and give reasons for why it was good or bad. So with that being said... I love the douchebags in this thread.
Gab that to my mug then see what comes about
ADT just suffers from lots of people with different tastes being forced to use one thread. Normally anywhere else people will either stay away from what they don't like unless they're trying to cause an argument, but here people feel the need to post their opinion on whatever series is being talked about for not really any reason. You only have to say Madoka or Bakemonogatari for someone to jump in and go "IT'S JUST LITTLE GIRLS SUFFERING" or "IT'S PRETENTIOUS". In the end you just get a lot of one genre dominating the thread and people going crazy if you don't agree. Nobody really discusses newer anime in the thread, usually it lasts like 5 posts and then nobody replies. You can talk about gundam for a while though.
IRC is always pretty shit regardless of what the topic (not just ADT) is usually, but that's your own fault if you use it.
I wanted to post this rather than actually reply to someone though. It's Oreimo LN related. + Show Spoiler +
I know there are some Kuroneko fans in here. This is what she gets for leaving Kyousuke in the first place.
I agree! The IRC Clique has gone on for far too long, polluting this thread with its elitist bullshit! It is time for us to rise up! However, Hey Sean is not going far enough. So far he has simply touched upon the root of all IRC evil, aers. But there are tons more that need to be called out. If they think they can get away with calling quality, intelligent, thoughtful works like 'Madoka', 'Bakemonogatari', 'Hyouka', and 'My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute' "shit", and then not have anime they like being called shit, they have another thing coming. Let us begin the Crusade against IRC!
What do IRC Clique Elitist like Elem, Souma, EchOne, Nagisama, Maxie, Southlight, Ecael, ragz_gt, Shauni, and their leader, aers, all have in common? The fact that they all have bad taste in cartoons? Yes. But more than that! Every single one of these people either gave 'Higurashi no Naku Koro ni' a score of 8/10 or higher, OR profess to like it! This is unforgivable, and the most central reason for the Crusade against #tladt. For the record I don't actually know if aers has even watched Higurashi or not, but considering he is the root of all evil, I can just assume he has.
There are many reasons why this anime is bad, and people who like it should be ashamed. First off, the anime takes the guts out of what is essentially a mystery story, rips it all out and flushes it down the toilet. If I would have only watched the anime, I would think it was just a story about kids and little girls going crazy and murdering each other, while wearing derp faces. Many parts that make it a mystery are either brushed over, skipped entirely, or perhaps in the most "oh shit we are really bad at directing anime lol" cases, they go back in the seconds season and throw in anime-only filler to explain points, or sloppily frankenstein parts of earlier chapters into later ones, since they forgot the first time. Exposition and character development are practically non-existent. Things that should be subtle are obvious. How dare people bash amazing things like Hyouka but then profess to like Higurashi?
Secondly, the anime looks like absolute shit. It is Deen QUALITY animation at its finest. And this is very important as well, since it becomes impossible to take the stuff that did get left in the anime seriously. I mean come on, can you actually take scenes like this seriously: + Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD4HpCOfzD4
No, you can't. It is impossible. And for some reason, this anime has a fetish for plastering derp faces like that all over the already poorly animated shit that is Higurashi.
Some of these people are even worse than the rest. Namely, Elem and Ecael. I don't know what exactly Ecael thinks of it besides "It was good", but Elem has the audacity to give it a 9/10. Both of these people read the Visual Novel with is a million times better than the anime!!! Have they no shame?
On June 11 2013 00:20 Dismay wrote: Do you mean like that time you said fujoshi were literally killing anime by supporting shows they like when Free came up, Sean?
Oh yeah, Sean was that guy.
was wondering when the token wall of sarcasm was going to pop up. I dont know who got the worse end of the nonsense the Higurashi anime or that guy whining about the irc channel.
These last few pages kinda felt like watching this..
On June 10 2013 19:29 Kamais Ookin wrote: I'd rather have elitist people in this thread with good taste and the mental capacity to like anime properly instead of your typical weeaboo/casual anime viewer who thinks shows like naruto and bleach are masterpieces. I like people who are critical of the anime they watch and give reasons for why it was good or bad. So with that being said... I love the douchebags in this thread.
Gab that to my mug then see what comes about
ADT just suffers from lots of people with different tastes being forced to use one thread. Normally anywhere else people will either stay away from what they don't like unless they're trying to cause an argument, but here people feel the need to post their opinion on whatever series is being talked about for not really any reason. You only have to say Madoka or Bakemonogatari for someone to jump in and go "IT'S JUST LITTLE GIRLS SUFFERING" or "IT'S PRETENTIOUS". In the end you just get a lot of one genre dominating the thread and people going crazy if you don't agree. Nobody really discusses newer anime in the thread, usually it lasts like 5 posts and then nobody replies. You can talk about gundam for a while though.
IRC is always pretty shit regardless of what the topic (not just ADT) is usually, but that's your own fault if you use it.
I wanted to post this rather than actually reply to someone though. It's Oreimo LN related. + Show Spoiler +
I know there are some Kuroneko fans in here. This is what she gets for leaving Kyousuke in the first place.
I agree! The IRC Clique has gone on for far too long, polluting this thread with its elitist bullshit! It is time for us to rise up! However, Hey Sean is not going far enough. So far he has simply touched upon the root of all IRC evil, aers. But there are tons more that need to be called out. If they think they can get away with calling quality, intelligent, thoughtful works like 'Madoka', 'Bakemonogatari', 'Hyouka', and 'My Little Sister Can't Be This Cute' "shit", and then not have anime they like being called shit, they have another thing coming. Let us begin the Crusade against IRC!
What do IRC Clique Elitist like Elem, Souma, EchOne, Nagisama, Maxie, Southlight, Ecael, ragz_gt, Shauni, and their leader, aers, all have in common? The fact that they all have bad taste in cartoons? Yes. But more than that! Every single one of these people either gave 'Higurashi no Naku Koro ni' a score of 8/10 or higher, OR profess to like it! This is unforgivable, and the most central reason for the Crusade against #tladt. For the record I don't actually know if aers has even watched Higurashi or not, but considering he is the root of all evil, I can just assume he has.
There are many reasons why this anime is bad, and people who like it should be ashamed. First off, the anime takes the guts out of what is essentially a mystery story, rips it all out and flushes it down the toilet. If I would have only watched the anime, I would think it was just a story about kids and little girls going crazy and murdering each other, while wearing derp faces. Many parts that make it a mystery are either brushed over, skipped entirely, or perhaps in the most "oh shit we are really bad at directing anime lol" cases, they go back in the seconds season and throw in anime-only filler to explain points, or sloppily frankenstein parts of earlier chapters into later ones, since they forgot the first time. Exposition and character development are practically non-existent. Things that should be subtle are obvious. How dare people bash amazing things like Hyouka but then profess to like Higurashi?
Secondly, the anime looks like absolute shit. It is Deen QUALITY animation at its finest. And this is very important as well, since it becomes impossible to take the stuff that did get left in the anime seriously. I mean come on, can you actually take scenes like this seriously: + Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD4HpCOfzD4
No, you can't. It is impossible. And for some reason, this anime has a fetish for plastering derp faces like that all over the already poorly animated shit that is Higurashi.
Some of these people are even worse than the rest. Namely, Elem and Ecael. I don't know what exactly Ecael thinks of it besides "It was good", but Elem has the audacity to give it a 9/10. Both of these people read the Visual Novel with is a million times better than the anime!!! Have they no shame?
On June 11 2013 00:20 Dismay wrote: Do you mean like that time you said fujoshi were literally killing anime by supporting shows they like when Free came up, Sean?
Oh yeah, Sean was that guy.
was wondering when the token wall of sarcasm was going to pop up. I dont know who got the worse end of the nonsense the Higurashi anime or that guy whining about the irc channel.
These last few pages kinda felt like watching this..
On June 11 2013 03:17 Silvanel wrote: So i dont have strenght to browse trough this whole thread. What do You guys would recommend for someone who liked: Cowboy Bebop FullMetal Alchemist Berserk Vampire Hunter D Hellsing (kinda) Ergo Proxy
Something like that...
Try Trigun, Samurai Champloo, and Outlaw Star.
Also, rather than digging through the thread, you can click the link in the box at the top of the page, it has a chart of "recommended anime".
By the way, the mysteries were not the point of Hyouka anyway. I wouldn't even classify it as a mystery anime, at least not primarily.
Eh, the anime was just kyoani taking a shit source and adding nothing of value to it. They did manage to make it look real pretty though. Nevermind that the author and publish both label the books as mystery though. Not that it'd improve any if you don't think of it as such.
When I don't think of Another's anime adaptation as mystery, but as a comedy, it helped me feel less bad about the whole affair. Doesn't change the fact that it was objectively horrible though.
Urobuchi labeled Madoka as a healing-type anime (it IS in a way, just not your typical one I guess). Obviously there are mystery aspects to Hyouka, but they are rather mundane and are a means to an end rather than the main focus. It's a coming of age story that is living from the character interaction (and being pretty). If you're looking for mystery, then yeah it probably is not the thing for you, but you're also not judging it for what it is then.
If Hyouka was like Madoka and was original content I might find your point more convincing. Except Hyouka was published across magazines and individual vols from 2001 and on, submitted under mystery and horror for Kadokawa's contest. Published out of a mystery magazine for short stories, under a section of Kadokawa that specialized in mystery. With the author himself saying that characters were modeled after Holmes and Watson, with stories that were direct references (or if his words were to be trusted, homages) of stories by Cox. Then, Kyoani made an anime out of it with no significant changes and all the sudden it is a deep coming of ages anime.
If anything, you are the one who is not judging Hyouka for what it is. It is true that the author tried to focus on a style that isn't standard mystery, that doesn't change the core of the work.
I haven't read the novels, but if someone were to ask me what kind of anime Hyouka is I would say it's a slice of life/coming of age kind of show with mystery elements, or maybe that it's an unusual kind of mystery show, with mundane mysteries and a huge focus on the characters (though I'd prefer the former). Just saying it's mystery would give the one who asked false expectations. Also, "deep"? Haven't said anything about that. Coming of age = deep?
By the way, the mysteries were not the point of Hyouka anyway. I wouldn't even classify it as a mystery anime, at least not primarily.
Eh, the anime was just kyoani taking a shit source and adding nothing of value to it. They did manage to make it look real pretty though. Nevermind that the author and publish both label the books as mystery though. Not that it'd improve any if you don't think of it as such.
When I don't think of Another's anime adaptation as mystery, but as a comedy, it helped me feel less bad about the whole affair. Doesn't change the fact that it was objectively horrible though.
Urobuchi labeled Madoka as a healing-type anime (it IS in a way, just not your typical one I guess). Obviously there are mystery aspects to Hyouka, but they are rather mundane and are a means to an end rather than the main focus. It's a coming of age story that is living from the character interaction (and being pretty). If you're looking for mystery, then yeah it probably is not the thing for you, but you're also not judging it for what it is then.
I'll refrain to address what I think about what you said to be the important aspect of Hyouka beyond that I think even PA works does a better job for that genre.
By the way, the mysteries were not the point of Hyouka anyway. I wouldn't even classify it as a mystery anime, at least not primarily.
Eh, the anime was just kyoani taking a shit source and adding nothing of value to it. They did manage to make it look real pretty though. Nevermind that the author and publish both label the books as mystery though. Not that it'd improve any if you don't think of it as such.
When I don't think of Another's anime adaptation as mystery, but as a comedy, it helped me feel less bad about the whole affair. Doesn't change the fact that it was objectively horrible though.
Urobuchi labeled Madoka as a healing-type anime (it IS in a way, just not your typical one I guess). Obviously there are mystery aspects to Hyouka, but they are rather mundane and are a means to an end rather than the main focus. It's a coming of age story that is living from the character interaction (and being pretty). If you're looking for mystery, then yeah it probably is not the thing for you, but you're also not judging it for what it is then.
If Hyouka was like Madoka and was original content I might find your point more convincing. Except Hyouka was published across magazines and individual vols from 2001 and on, submitted under mystery and horror for Kadokawa's contest. Published out of a mystery magazine for short stories, under a section of Kadokawa that specialized in mystery. With the author himself saying that characters were modeled after Holmes and Watson, with stories that were direct references (or if his words were to be trusted, homages) of stories by Cox. Then, Kyoani made an anime out of it with no significant changes and all the sudden it is a deep coming of ages anime.
If anything, you are the one who is not judging Hyouka for what it is. It is true that the author tried to focus on a style that isn't standard mystery, that doesn't change the core of the work.
I haven't read the novels, but if someone were to ask me what kind of anime Hyouka is I would say it's a slice of life/coming of age kind of show with mystery elements, or maybe that it's an unusual kind of mystery show, with mundane mysteries and a huge focus on the characters (though I'd prefer the former). Just saying it's mystery would give the one who asked false expectations. Also, "deep"? Haven't said anything about that. Coming of age = deep?
By the way, the mysteries were not the point of Hyouka anyway. I wouldn't even classify it as a mystery anime, at least not primarily.
Eh, the anime was just kyoani taking a shit source and adding nothing of value to it. They did manage to make it look real pretty though. Nevermind that the author and publish both label the books as mystery though. Not that it'd improve any if you don't think of it as such.
When I don't think of Another's anime adaptation as mystery, but as a comedy, it helped me feel less bad about the whole affair. Doesn't change the fact that it was objectively horrible though.
Urobuchi labeled Madoka as a healing-type anime (it IS in a way, just not your typical one I guess). Obviously there are mystery aspects to Hyouka, but they are rather mundane and are a means to an end rather than the main focus. It's a coming of age story that is living from the character interaction (and being pretty). If you're looking for mystery, then yeah it probably is not the thing for you, but you're also not judging it for what it is then.
I'll refrain to address what I think about what you said to be the important aspect of Hyouka beyond that I think even PA works does a better job for that genre.
Well, that's a different matter.
As I've been saying, Kyoani added little to the source. About the deep part, I just read that without you saying it because people have been using that genre to imply depth a lot, if you don't mean that then cool.
If it can't even outdo PA works for that aspect then the said aspect might as well as be a nonexistent thing.
On June 11 2013 04:01 mofuli wrote: Who cares the mystery in Higurashi. It's all for the "moe" girls.
On June 11 2013 03:17 Silvanel wrote: So i dont have strenght to browse trough this whole thread. What do You guys would recommend for someone who liked: Cowboy Bebop FullMetal Alchemist Berserk Vampire Hunter D Hellsing (kinda) Ergo Proxy
Is there any Katawa Shoujo route that is worth reading through for the sake of plot? I've read one route and I liked it because I liked the girl but plotwise it was pretty meh, so I don't really have any motivation for reading through a route with a character I don't really like.
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