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On January 07 2013 18:20 atombombforpeace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 17:29 Shikyo wrote:
Does anyone happen to know the voice actor of Mary Clarissa Christie in Shikkoku no Sharnoth? Familiar feeling, really really good. Couldn't find it despite some googling. http://www.liar.co.jp/shar_chara11.htmlI read that as kawashima rino? Not sure, my japanese is awful.
Yeah it was her, Liar also uses just about the same cast for all of their games plus smallish industry so you are bound to have heard her before at some point.
On January 07 2013 18:04 Sentenal wrote:Uta/Eca, I have a question about Horizon plot: + Show Spoiler +In Season 1, when Motonobu blew up Mikawa, do we know why he did that at this point? If so, what is it? I figured it was just because the dude was crazy, but is there any other reason given thus far? n/m Uta answered on IRC
idk what uta said but not particularly, but it could've been that it was done in order to force the hands of the entire world by taking out an area and peoples that are vital to historical reenactment. If the question was to whether it had any direct effects, not really.
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On January 07 2013 22:12 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 19:23 Elem wrote:On January 07 2013 18:09 thekaas wrote:On January 07 2013 17:31 Elem wrote:
Eh.
Personally I think the barrier between a 9 and a 10 shouldn't so easy to walk over. One doesn't need to give an anime a 10 just because it's a favourite, why throw objectivity straight out the door?
Because it's art. There is no such thing as objectivity. That's not how it works... For the most part with respect to taste it is. If it isnt then I'd say your lying to yourself and trying to guard how you feel about stuff because other people might not like it as much and being objective is as an easy excuse. 10 for me is I'll get up and watch a random episode from anywhere and enjoy it, there arent really any shows "objectively like that. Just ones I like. But meh whatever makes you "objectively." sleep well at night. For most part. MOST. Is that 100%? No.
What he said is basically comparing a painting to a book, saying it's exactly the same. Objectivity always exists, the degree of its importance depends on what you are talking about and who you are talking to. What I said is that one shouldn't just completely ignore it. It's okay to love a flawed thing, but one should be able to see those flaws and acknowledge them instead of desperately clinging to it. It's like sitting in a brittle glass cage but you're claiming you're sitting in one made of strongest steel and stone and that if someone tried to but it open with a rock, they would never succeed.
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On January 08 2013 00:24 Elem wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 22:12 Rebs wrote:On January 07 2013 19:23 Elem wrote:On January 07 2013 18:09 thekaas wrote:On January 07 2013 17:31 Elem wrote:
Eh.
Personally I think the barrier between a 9 and a 10 shouldn't so easy to walk over. One doesn't need to give an anime a 10 just because it's a favourite, why throw objectivity straight out the door?
Because it's art. There is no such thing as objectivity. That's not how it works... For the most part with respect to taste it is. If it isnt then I'd say your lying to yourself and trying to guard how you feel about stuff because other people might not like it as much and being objective is as an easy excuse. 10 for me is I'll get up and watch a random episode from anywhere and enjoy it, there arent really any shows "objectively like that. Just ones I like. But meh whatever makes you "objectively." sleep well at night. For most part. MOST. Is that 100%? No. What he said is basically comparing a painting to a book, saying it's exactly the same. Objectivity always exists, the degree of its importance depends on what you are talking about and who you are talking to. What I said is that one shouldn't just completely ignore it. It's okay to love a flawed thing, but one should be able to see those flaws and acknowledge them instead of desperately clinging to it. It's like sitting in a brittle glass cage but you're claiming you're sitting in one made of strongest steel and stone and that if someone tried to but it open with a rock, they would never succeed.
I just woke up and I'm too lazy to organize my own words on this so here you are courtesy google:
"Although it cannot be expected that everyone can achieve this level of sophistication, instead of "I like it ...don't like it" responses, one can learn to provide reasons for preferences. When reasons are provided for one's judgments, a basis exists for both discussion and evaluation. Attempting to articulate the reasons for one's responses enables observing with greater clarity and accuracy."
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Well, depending on what you think 10 means. It doesn't necessary means perfect. You don't need write a "perfect" paper to earn an "A" on it. It can just mean top x% (and with interpretation anywhere from 10% to 1%). When I score a series 10 (20 so far, about 5%) it simply means there is no part I wish was done differently.
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Monogatari 2nd season this summer. 2cour. Fuck yes. :D
This week's Magi episode was pretty cool... I miss the old OP but the new ED is nice.
I'm reading Tsukihime, any route order recommendation or anything I should know about how the routes work? Or is it just the standard go afte heroine x, get heroine x's route? Many bad ends, should I be paranoid about saving?
On January 08 2013 01:06 ragz_gt wrote:
Well, depending on what you think 10 means. It doesn't necessary means perfect. You don't need write a "perfect" paper to earn an "A" on it. It can just mean top x% (and with interpretation anywhere from 10% to 1%). When I score a series 10 (20 so far, about 5%) it simply means there is no part I wish was done differently.
I only have one 10 at the moment, I've only watched about 170 series though. I'm not entirely certain of what a 10 is for me, where I want to draw the line between a 10 and 9. I currently only have Fate Zero as a 10 (despite a few few things I didn't like/was disappointed with in the BD:s, like some scenes with Gilgamesh I'd like to have had in it that were missing) because I thought it was fucking awesome in just about every way.
I should probably give Mushishi a 10, now that I think of it...
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On January 08 2013 01:06 ragz_gt wrote:
Well, depending on what you think 10 means. It doesn't necessary means perfect. You don't need write a "perfect" paper to earn an "A" on it. It can just mean top x% (and with interpretation anywhere from 10% to 1%). When I score a series 10 (20 so far, about 5%) it simply means there is no part I wish was done differently. An A usually is 90%+, it's kind of a bad example. 10/10 is literally a full score. And you have a fair enough definition of what is a 10 imo, it's just certain people prefer glass cages.
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Be very paranoid about saving
Standard order is: Arcueid > Ciel > Akiha > Hisui > Kohaku
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On January 08 2013 01:16 ragz_gt wrote:
Be very paranoid about saving
Standard order is: Arcueid > Ciel > Akiha > Hisui > Kohaku
You can also just skip Ciel and miss nothing, good life.
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Well you miss epilogue if you skip Ciel
On January 08 2013 01:14 Elem wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 01:06 ragz_gt wrote:
Well, depending on what you think 10 means. It doesn't necessary means perfect. You don't need write a "perfect" paper to earn an "A" on it. It can just mean top x% (and with interpretation anywhere from 10% to 1%). When I score a series 10 (20 so far, about 5%) it simply means there is no part I wish was done differently. An A usually is 90%+, it's kind of a bad example. 10/10 is literally a full score. And you have a fair enough definition of what is a 10 imo, it's just certain people prefer glass cages.
If you think 9 as A- and 10 as A, it's about 5%, though that's now how I rate them, it was just by chance it worked out to same number. Defining what "masterpiece" is is even more tricker, so it's nessassery to know what the score means for particular person. I also tends to give bonus score to ground breaking / influential anime such as Urusei Yatsura, EVA, Noir, SHoY etc.
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On January 08 2013 01:07 Maxie wrote:
Monogatari 2nd season this summer. 2cour. Fuck yes. :D
11:08 nagisama eca! monogatari series starting in july!!! o/
11:09 spazer july huh
11:09 spazer guess that means prism nana in spring
11:12 ecael nagi cool
11:12 ecael we'll see how it goes
11:12 ecael so does that mean magical prism nana for spring?
11:12 ecael inb4 shaft does nothing
11:12 nagisama lol
11:13 spazer eca they've been doing shit like mad these days
11:13 spazer it's weird
11:13 ecael actually have money
11:13 ecael to pay people
11:13 spazer !!!
11:13 spazer dat madoka/bake cash cow
11:13 ecael cash cow good
11:14 ecael oh lol spazer you made the same observation
11:14 ecael I didn't look up
11:14 spazer yeah lol
11:14 nagisama i noticed that and thought it was pretty amusing
11:14 spazer HMM THERE'S A SUSPICIOUS BLANK IN THE RELEASE SCHEDULE
11:14 spazer BUT OBV IT'S NOT GONNA BE KIZE
11:14 spazer *kizu
The combination of what we care about and what we trust in. Kizu? What's that.
But yeah 2 cour for like 6 books?
On January 08 2013 01:21 ragz_gt wrote:
Well you miss epilogue if you skip Ciel
Do you now? It has been so long since I last read.
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Dis Yamada-kun chapter. I love these characters so much.
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On January 08 2013 00:24 Elem wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 22:12 Rebs wrote:On January 07 2013 19:23 Elem wrote:On January 07 2013 18:09 thekaas wrote:On January 07 2013 17:31 Elem wrote:
Eh.
Personally I think the barrier between a 9 and a 10 shouldn't so easy to walk over. One doesn't need to give an anime a 10 just because it's a favourite, why throw objectivity straight out the door?
Because it's art. There is no such thing as objectivity. That's not how it works... For the most part with respect to taste it is. If it isnt then I'd say your lying to yourself and trying to guard how you feel about stuff because other people might not like it as much and being objective is as an easy excuse. 10 for me is I'll get up and watch a random episode from anywhere and enjoy it, there arent really any shows "objectively like that. Just ones I like. But meh whatever makes you "objectively." sleep well at night. For most part. MOST. Is that 100%? No. What he said is basically comparing a painting to a book, saying it's exactly the same. Objectivity always exists, the degree of its importance depends on what you are talking about and who you are talking to. What I said is that one shouldn't just completely ignore it. It's okay to love a flawed thing, but one should be able to see those flaws and acknowledge them instead of desperately clinging to it. It's like sitting in a brittle glass cage but you're claiming you're sitting in one made of strongest steel and stone and that if someone tried to but it open with a rock, they would never succeed.
Yes but admitting those flaws when someone points them out to you should usually not make a difference to how you originally rated it. Unless there is some massive oversight most people do notice things that to someone else might be a flaw but it doesnt have to mean its something you cant look past.
I dont overthink things I watch. anymore. I dont have the time or the inclination to pick them apart and for the most part I enjoy it quite a fair bit. After a certain point there isnt a trope or archetype you havent hit. With some rare exceptions.
This has nothing to do with glass cages or stone ones. Just because something is flawed doesnt mean you have to diminish how much you value it. Someone else doesnt like it and has a good reason for it. Big deal.
You can find a flaw for every 10 everyone has here. So what are you going to do .. never give out a 10 ?
or if you do someone gives a you nice objective viewpoint change your mind and lower it ?
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On January 08 2013 01:39 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 00:24 Elem wrote:On January 07 2013 22:12 Rebs wrote:On January 07 2013 19:23 Elem wrote:On January 07 2013 18:09 thekaas wrote:On January 07 2013 17:31 Elem wrote:
Eh.
Personally I think the barrier between a 9 and a 10 shouldn't so easy to walk over. One doesn't need to give an anime a 10 just because it's a favourite, why throw objectivity straight out the door?
Because it's art. There is no such thing as objectivity. That's not how it works... For the most part with respect to taste it is. If it isnt then I'd say your lying to yourself and trying to guard how you feel about stuff because other people might not like it as much and being objective is as an easy excuse. 10 for me is I'll get up and watch a random episode from anywhere and enjoy it, there arent really any shows "objectively like that. Just ones I like. But meh whatever makes you "objectively." sleep well at night. For most part. MOST. Is that 100%? No. What he said is basically comparing a painting to a book, saying it's exactly the same. Objectivity always exists, the degree of its importance depends on what you are talking about and who you are talking to. What I said is that one shouldn't just completely ignore it. It's okay to love a flawed thing, but one should be able to see those flaws and acknowledge them instead of desperately clinging to it. It's like sitting in a brittle glass cage but you're claiming you're sitting in one made of strongest steel and stone and that if someone tried to but it open with a rock, they would never succeed. Yes but admitting those flaws when someone points them out to you should usually not make a difference to how you originally rated it. Unless there is some massive oversight most people do notice things that to someone else might be a flaw but it doesnt have to mean its something you cant look past. I dont overthink things I watch. anymore. I dont have the time or the inclination to pick them apart and for the most part I enjoy it quite a fair bit. This has nothing to do with glass cages or stone ones. Just because something is flawed doesnt mean you have to diminish how much you value it. Someone else doesnt like it and has a good reason for it. Big deal.
It really depends on the "flaw", I think. While I don't know exactly what series and flaw therein you guys're talking about, in general I find that Elem is in the right of it. In entertainment (TV, movies, art, anime, etc), what is a flaw to one person can be a defining characteristic to another. Unless you're talking about obvious things like clear art errors, audio stuttering, or things that are undeniably flaws, something that's part of a story or character is entirely subjective.
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Objectively I think out of all the hundreds of anime/vn I could probably only give 10/10 to Muv-Luv Alternative, and even it has its flaws(stupid hairstyles, annoying harem, worst tsundere ever, below average main character, skipping dialogue in autoread parts, terrible engrish), still it's the best anime/VN ever made in my opinion. I don't think 10 needs to be a perfect, there's no perfect anime in existence.
On January 07 2013 18:20 atombombforpeace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2013 17:29 Shikyo wrote:
Does anyone happen to know the voice actor of Mary Clarissa Christie in Shikkoku no Sharnoth? Familiar feeling, really really good. Couldn't find it despite some googling. http://www.liar.co.jp/shar_chara11.htmlI read that as kawashima rino? Not sure, my japanese is awful.
Thanks, sadly my japanese is terrible as well *sob*
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Yeah it's Kawashima Rino, very popular, Usami (G-Senjou), Yukari (Kara no Shoujou) etc
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Monogatari series in July huh? It might just be me but seems like the novel translators picked up the pace since the announcement in an attempt to finish before anime. After Neko Kuro, I'd much rather read before I watch especially if 6 novels in 26eps means cutting out all the good lines to fit it. Kizu by 2015?
Too lazy to write wall of text but masterpieces should be rare, very rare. 5% is pretty damn high. The thing is, after watching a ton of anime and having a large number of favorites, how do you distinguish between all your 10's? Even if we maintain pure subjectivity, then why is your favorite anime better than your 20th favorite anime which is also a 10? It's more a matter of re-scaling your ranking system so you can clearly show x anime is actually even better than some other favorites you might have. If you're going to use an academic grading scale argument, I know my professors give 1-2 A+'s to classes of 300-400 students.
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On January 08 2013 01:50 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 01:39 Rebs wrote:On January 08 2013 00:24 Elem wrote:On January 07 2013 22:12 Rebs wrote:On January 07 2013 19:23 Elem wrote:On January 07 2013 18:09 thekaas wrote:On January 07 2013 17:31 Elem wrote:
Eh.
Personally I think the barrier between a 9 and a 10 shouldn't so easy to walk over. One doesn't need to give an anime a 10 just because it's a favourite, why throw objectivity straight out the door?
Because it's art. There is no such thing as objectivity. That's not how it works... For the most part with respect to taste it is. If it isnt then I'd say your lying to yourself and trying to guard how you feel about stuff because other people might not like it as much and being objective is as an easy excuse. 10 for me is I'll get up and watch a random episode from anywhere and enjoy it, there arent really any shows "objectively like that. Just ones I like. But meh whatever makes you "objectively." sleep well at night. For most part. MOST. Is that 100%? No. What he said is basically comparing a painting to a book, saying it's exactly the same. Objectivity always exists, the degree of its importance depends on what you are talking about and who you are talking to. What I said is that one shouldn't just completely ignore it. It's okay to love a flawed thing, but one should be able to see those flaws and acknowledge them instead of desperately clinging to it. It's like sitting in a brittle glass cage but you're claiming you're sitting in one made of strongest steel and stone and that if someone tried to but it open with a rock, they would never succeed. Yes but admitting those flaws when someone points them out to you should usually not make a difference to how you originally rated it. Unless there is some massive oversight most people do notice things that to someone else might be a flaw but it doesnt have to mean its something you cant look past. I dont overthink things I watch. anymore. I dont have the time or the inclination to pick them apart and for the most part I enjoy it quite a fair bit. This has nothing to do with glass cages or stone ones. Just because something is flawed doesnt mean you have to diminish how much you value it. Someone else doesnt like it and has a good reason for it. Big deal. It really depends on the "flaw", I think. While I don't know exactly what series and flaw therein you guys're talking about, in general I find that Elem is in the right of it. In entertainment (TV, movies, art, anime, etc), what is a flaw to one person can be a defining characteristic to another. Unless you're talking about obvious things like clear art errors, audio stuttering, or things that are undeniably flaws, something that's part of a story or character is entirely subjective.
Uhmm what ? your making my point and saying hes right ?
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On January 08 2013 02:15 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 01:50 Requizen wrote:On January 08 2013 01:39 Rebs wrote:On January 08 2013 00:24 Elem wrote:On January 07 2013 22:12 Rebs wrote:On January 07 2013 19:23 Elem wrote:On January 07 2013 18:09 thekaas wrote:On January 07 2013 17:31 Elem wrote:
Eh.
Personally I think the barrier between a 9 and a 10 shouldn't so easy to walk over. One doesn't need to give an anime a 10 just because it's a favourite, why throw objectivity straight out the door?
Because it's art. There is no such thing as objectivity. That's not how it works... For the most part with respect to taste it is. If it isnt then I'd say your lying to yourself and trying to guard how you feel about stuff because other people might not like it as much and being objective is as an easy excuse. 10 for me is I'll get up and watch a random episode from anywhere and enjoy it, there arent really any shows "objectively like that. Just ones I like. But meh whatever makes you "objectively." sleep well at night. For most part. MOST. Is that 100%? No. What he said is basically comparing a painting to a book, saying it's exactly the same. Objectivity always exists, the degree of its importance depends on what you are talking about and who you are talking to. What I said is that one shouldn't just completely ignore it. It's okay to love a flawed thing, but one should be able to see those flaws and acknowledge them instead of desperately clinging to it. It's like sitting in a brittle glass cage but you're claiming you're sitting in one made of strongest steel and stone and that if someone tried to but it open with a rock, they would never succeed. Yes but admitting those flaws when someone points them out to you should usually not make a difference to how you originally rated it. Unless there is some massive oversight most people do notice things that to someone else might be a flaw but it doesnt have to mean its something you cant look past. I dont overthink things I watch. anymore. I dont have the time or the inclination to pick them apart and for the most part I enjoy it quite a fair bit. This has nothing to do with glass cages or stone ones. Just because something is flawed doesnt mean you have to diminish how much you value it. Someone else doesnt like it and has a good reason for it. Big deal. It really depends on the "flaw", I think. While I don't know exactly what series and flaw therein you guys're talking about, in general I find that Elem is in the right of it. In entertainment (TV, movies, art, anime, etc), what is a flaw to one person can be a defining characteristic to another. Unless you're talking about obvious things like clear art errors, audio stuttering, or things that are undeniably flaws, something that's part of a story or character is entirely subjective. Uhmm what ? your making my point and saying hes right ?
Oh, I can't read nested posts and match them to names for the life of me apparently.
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I just find that in certain cases I can't really judge a show objectively, because of how it related to me personally. For example, a show I watched back when I was 10 or something, I will always have fond memories of. Even if I rewatch it, while I'd definitely notice more flaws, I'll still have that nostalgia influencing my enjoyment. In such a case, I know any score I'd give it would be biased in one way or another.
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we aren't real critics, just some nerds who like to watch anime in spare time. So you can't be all objective in this shit when the fun comes from the subjective and how the anime made you feel.
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