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On May 12 2011 06:20 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 06:05 bearbuddy wrote:On May 12 2011 05:48 Sentenal wrote:On May 12 2011 04:46 bearbuddy wrote:On May 11 2011 23:28 Sentenal wrote:On May 11 2011 14:39 Kaal wrote:On May 11 2011 13:50 Ferrose wrote:
You know what I hated? In the Gundam Wing Endless Waltz movie (IIRC) at the end of the movie, they were all just like "Guys let's stop this killing people!" and just disabled the enemy Mobile Suits without killing the pilot. Gundam Seed does the same thing. And yes battlecruiser icon guy, that makes you a trapcon. I don't remember exactly what happened in Endless Waltz, but SEED wasn't a "lets not kill anyone ever!" hippy-fest. Not killing people was a policy that was exclusive to 2nd half Kira and Athrun, and even then it wasn't that black and white. Their policy was more like avoiding killing people who didn't need to die. In their eyes, the soldiers on each side weren't really their enemies, they don't want to kill people who aren't their enemies. Naive, sure, but IMO it made sense for the plot. Kira wasn't even a soldier in the first place. + Show Spoiler +Kira killed Rau Le Cruset at the end of SEED, he killed Stella in Destiny, and pretty much any time they attacked a ship, they ended up killing alot of people (see when Kira attacked the Minerva in Destiny). So its not like they never killed anyone. Not to mention the good-guys outside of Kira/Athrun had no problem killing people. Yeah. It's so embarrassing to be a soldier that a teenage boy with no formal military training has to go easy on you. Better yet, you have to fight an enemy captain that's not trained to be one and who can only utter the line "EVADE!" during battle. Better yet, you're either with the superpower that controls the space territories or the earth and you can't take down a faction led by a teenage pop idol and a teenage tomboy. What the hell are you even trying to say? Why did you even quote me? I don't get it. 1.) Kira being a "teenage boy with no formal military training" is exactly the same as Amuro, and is one of the most common elements in Gundam shows. Amuro, Uso, Kamille, Loran, Garrod, Judau, etc etc are all like that. And it seems for whatever reason, you are just singling out SEED. Why is that? 2.) If you are talking about Murrue, then your knowledge of stuff that actually happened in SEED rivals that of Kaal's knowledge of SEED. Which means you probably didn't really watch it, since I can't even understand why you would even try to exaggerate a claim like that, unlike your other two statements. 3.) If you are talking about the end of Destiny, then I don't care to argue, since Destiny was shit. If you are talking about just SEED, then you are showing Kaal-level knowledge of what actually happened in the show. I'm singling out the newer gundams with the no-kill policy. Garrod was an AC pilot. Amuro eventually became a military officer, and the rest were pretty kill happy despite saying how much they hated to kill (If you didn't get close you wouldn't have died!) Yes, I'm talking about Murrue. She's more of a motherly figure than a captain. She acts on intuition, and things worked out just because. Yes, I'm exaggerating it, but that's just how it works with sarcastic remarks. I quoted you because you misinterpreted my previous statement. I'm not dismissing Kira as a hypocrite, I'm dismissing the show as ridiculous. Lets take Turn A Gundam. Loran wasn't kill happy at all. He fought battles through the entire series in nearly the exact same manner as Kira did, when Kira decided not to kill people unless necessary. So what are your views on Turn A, then? I don't know what you mean about Garrod being an "AC pilot". You say you are singling the newer Gundams out for their no-kill policy. And then you start making fun of SEED, since it has a kid with no military training being much better than trained pilots. And using this as an reason to call SEED ridiculous is hypocritical, since its a common theme in many Gundam shows. Or maybe you are just talking about how Kira started to "hold back" against enemies? IDK what your point is anymore. Your exaggeration on Murrue is just too much. Saying all she yells is "evade", when she probably yelled "LOHENGRIN, FIRE!" more often, kinda kills that point. I don't see how "she acts on intuition" is the same thing as "all she does is yell 'evade'!". edit: Okay, I think I get what you are saying. Its not the "without military training" part you are focusing on, but the "holding back" part you are focusing on?
AC, Alternate Century, you know the drill. Turn A is also a pretty new gundam. I don't see how I suffer from hypocrisy when I said that Kira is holding back against soldiers even as an untrained pilot. Have I stated a character who adopted the no-kill policy and praised him or her? I made a blanket statement that the no-kill policy sucked, you brought up how it fits the theme of SEED, and I said it makes it ridiculous.
The "evade" part is actually a running joke between my friends and me. When we were playing SD gundam, we were deciding the ship pilots. We decided on the guy from SEED because he dodges everything when all the instruction he received were evade!
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There was no no-kill policy in 00, none in any of the SEED OVAs, and Kira's often depicted as a homicidal fiance-stealing badass. I have no idea what you mean by "singling out newer Gundams" for their "no-kill policy."
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As for Kira's superiority, it was insinuated that he was simply more talented and had better coordinator genes; hence how he re-wrote Strike's OS to be superior to any of the ZAFT Gundam OS in a significantly shorter amount of time. This contributed to his mech actually being superior to every single other one, completing the triumvirate of "more talented, better, and using a better weapon."
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i cant remember but didn't the pilots in 00 kill more or less without a no kill policy? Granted they only attacked those who promoted war and Saji Crossroad hated it, but the main Gundam Meisters more or less didn't think about it if I remember right. I know its not seed but it is a newer Gundam
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On May 12 2011 06:46 CrAzzYmr.BC wrote:
i cant remember but didn't the pilots in 00 kill more or less without a no kill policy? Granted they only attacked those who promoted war and Saji Crossroad hated it, but the main Gundam Meisters more or less didn't think about it if I remember right. I know its not seed but it is a newer Gundam
Beatcha to it 
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On May 12 2011 06:47 Southlight wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 06:46 CrAzzYmr.BC wrote:
i cant remember but didn't the pilots in 00 kill more or less without a no kill policy? Granted they only attacked those who promoted war and Saji Crossroad hated it, but the main Gundam Meisters more or less didn't think about it if I remember right. I know its not seed but it is a newer Gundam Beatcha to it
lol well played... well played :D shows we're not wrong about that though!!!
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On May 12 2011 06:42 Southlight wrote:
There was no no-kill policy in 00, none in any of the SEED OVAs, and Kira's often depicted as a homicidal fiance-stealing badass. I have no idea what you mean by "singling out newer Gundams" for their "no-kill policy."
Tell that to the 10000 fangirls voting kira in for every newtype poll...
and 00 sucked even without the no-kill policy *rimshot*
I kid, season one was all right... maybe >.>
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As for Kira's superiority, it was insinuated that he was simply more talented and had better coordinator genes; hence how he re-wrote Strike's OS to be superior to any of the ZAFT Gundam OS in a significantly shorter amount of time. This contributed to his mech actually being superior to every single other one, completing the triumvirate of "more talented, better, and using a better weapon."
If all things fail, SEED mode deus ex machina... the equivalent of introducing a new character to send for kamikaze in the older shows.
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On May 12 2011 06:38 bearbuddy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 06:20 Sentenal wrote:On May 12 2011 06:05 bearbuddy wrote:On May 12 2011 05:48 Sentenal wrote:On May 12 2011 04:46 bearbuddy wrote:On May 11 2011 23:28 Sentenal wrote:On May 11 2011 14:39 Kaal wrote:On May 11 2011 13:50 Ferrose wrote:
You know what I hated? In the Gundam Wing Endless Waltz movie (IIRC) at the end of the movie, they were all just like "Guys let's stop this killing people!" and just disabled the enemy Mobile Suits without killing the pilot. Gundam Seed does the same thing. And yes battlecruiser icon guy, that makes you a trapcon. I don't remember exactly what happened in Endless Waltz, but SEED wasn't a "lets not kill anyone ever!" hippy-fest. Not killing people was a policy that was exclusive to 2nd half Kira and Athrun, and even then it wasn't that black and white. Their policy was more like avoiding killing people who didn't need to die. In their eyes, the soldiers on each side weren't really their enemies, they don't want to kill people who aren't their enemies. Naive, sure, but IMO it made sense for the plot. Kira wasn't even a soldier in the first place. + Show Spoiler +Kira killed Rau Le Cruset at the end of SEED, he killed Stella in Destiny, and pretty much any time they attacked a ship, they ended up killing alot of people (see when Kira attacked the Minerva in Destiny). So its not like they never killed anyone. Not to mention the good-guys outside of Kira/Athrun had no problem killing people. Yeah. It's so embarrassing to be a soldier that a teenage boy with no formal military training has to go easy on you. Better yet, you have to fight an enemy captain that's not trained to be one and who can only utter the line "EVADE!" during battle. Better yet, you're either with the superpower that controls the space territories or the earth and you can't take down a faction led by a teenage pop idol and a teenage tomboy. What the hell are you even trying to say? Why did you even quote me? I don't get it. 1.) Kira being a "teenage boy with no formal military training" is exactly the same as Amuro, and is one of the most common elements in Gundam shows. Amuro, Uso, Kamille, Loran, Garrod, Judau, etc etc are all like that. And it seems for whatever reason, you are just singling out SEED. Why is that? 2.) If you are talking about Murrue, then your knowledge of stuff that actually happened in SEED rivals that of Kaal's knowledge of SEED. Which means you probably didn't really watch it, since I can't even understand why you would even try to exaggerate a claim like that, unlike your other two statements. 3.) If you are talking about the end of Destiny, then I don't care to argue, since Destiny was shit. If you are talking about just SEED, then you are showing Kaal-level knowledge of what actually happened in the show. I'm singling out the newer gundams with the no-kill policy. Garrod was an AC pilot. Amuro eventually became a military officer, and the rest were pretty kill happy despite saying how much they hated to kill (If you didn't get close you wouldn't have died!) Yes, I'm talking about Murrue. She's more of a motherly figure than a captain. She acts on intuition, and things worked out just because. Yes, I'm exaggerating it, but that's just how it works with sarcastic remarks. I quoted you because you misinterpreted my previous statement. I'm not dismissing Kira as a hypocrite, I'm dismissing the show as ridiculous. Lets take Turn A Gundam. Loran wasn't kill happy at all. He fought battles through the entire series in nearly the exact same manner as Kira did, when Kira decided not to kill people unless necessary. So what are your views on Turn A, then? I don't know what you mean about Garrod being an "AC pilot". You say you are singling the newer Gundams out for their no-kill policy. And then you start making fun of SEED, since it has a kid with no military training being much better than trained pilots. And using this as an reason to call SEED ridiculous is hypocritical, since its a common theme in many Gundam shows. Or maybe you are just talking about how Kira started to "hold back" against enemies? IDK what your point is anymore. Your exaggeration on Murrue is just too much. Saying all she yells is "evade", when she probably yelled "LOHENGRIN, FIRE!" more often, kinda kills that point. I don't see how "she acts on intuition" is the same thing as "all she does is yell 'evade'!". edit: Okay, I think I get what you are saying. Its not the "without military training" part you are focusing on, but the "holding back" part you are focusing on? AC, Alternate Century, you know the drill. Turn A is also a pretty new gundam. I don't see how I suffer from hypocrisy when I said that Kira is holding back against soldiers even as an untrained pilot. Have I stated a character who adopted the no-kill policy and praised him or her? I made a blanket statement that the no-kill policy sucked, you brought up how it fits the theme of SEED, and I said it makes it ridiculous. The "evade" part is actually a running joke between my friends and me. When we were playing SD gundam, we were deciding the ship pilots. We decided on the guy from SEED because he dodges everything when all the instruction he received were evade!
Ah, you meant AU. Although I don't really know what you are trying to imply by him being an AU pilot. AU=bad, or something?
Kira "holding back" on people, and Kira having a no-kill policy are two completely different things. Anyway, Kira didn't hold back on shit. Kira saw something, and then he beat the shit out of them, and left them alive. That isn't holding back. In Destiny, it was commented that it took a tremendous amount of skill for Kira to be able to fight the way he does. Kira wasn't dicking around, and sandbagging, or anything like that. He fought his battles with all his abilities, its just Kira forced extra rules on his manner of fighting. Its just that Kira's combination of ability, talent, and hardware was more than almost anyone else in the entire show could handle.
On May 12 2011 06:53 bearbuddy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 06:42 Southlight wrote:
There was no no-kill policy in 00, none in any of the SEED OVAs, and Kira's often depicted as a homicidal fiance-stealing badass. I have no idea what you mean by "singling out newer Gundams" for their "no-kill policy." Tell that to the 10000 fangirls voting kira in for every newtype poll... and 00 sucked even without the no-kill policy *rimshot* I kid, season one was all right... maybe >.> Show nested quote +
Edit:
As for Kira's superiority, it was insinuated that he was simply more talented and had better coordinator genes; hence how he re-wrote Strike's OS to be superior to any of the ZAFT Gundam OS in a significantly shorter amount of time. This contributed to his mech actually being superior to every single other one, completing the triumvirate of "more talented, better, and using a better weapon."
If all things fail, SEED mode deus ex machina... the equivalent of introducing a new character to send for kamikaze in the older shows.
[18:07] <Seki> wait so
[18:07] <Seki> his argument basically boiled down to
[18:07] <Seki> "i don't like kira"
[18:07] <Seki> "gundam seed sucked"
[18:07] <Seki> lol
[18:07] <Sentenal> lol
[18:07] <Seki> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9214363
[18:07] <Seki> no really look at that
[18:08] <Seki> his argument just like
[18:08] <Seki> died
[18:08] <Seki> it went fro mtrying to argue about the work
[18:08] <Seki> to um
[18:08] <Seki> random crying
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Idk I thought season 2 of 00 was better. especially animation wise.
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On May 12 2011 06:55 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 06:38 bearbuddy wrote:On May 12 2011 06:20 Sentenal wrote:On May 12 2011 06:05 bearbuddy wrote:On May 12 2011 05:48 Sentenal wrote:On May 12 2011 04:46 bearbuddy wrote:On May 11 2011 23:28 Sentenal wrote:On May 11 2011 14:39 Kaal wrote:On May 11 2011 13:50 Ferrose wrote:
You know what I hated? In the Gundam Wing Endless Waltz movie (IIRC) at the end of the movie, they were all just like "Guys let's stop this killing people!" and just disabled the enemy Mobile Suits without killing the pilot. Gundam Seed does the same thing. And yes battlecruiser icon guy, that makes you a trapcon. I don't remember exactly what happened in Endless Waltz, but SEED wasn't a "lets not kill anyone ever!" hippy-fest. Not killing people was a policy that was exclusive to 2nd half Kira and Athrun, and even then it wasn't that black and white. Their policy was more like avoiding killing people who didn't need to die. In their eyes, the soldiers on each side weren't really their enemies, they don't want to kill people who aren't their enemies. Naive, sure, but IMO it made sense for the plot. Kira wasn't even a soldier in the first place. + Show Spoiler +Kira killed Rau Le Cruset at the end of SEED, he killed Stella in Destiny, and pretty much any time they attacked a ship, they ended up killing alot of people (see when Kira attacked the Minerva in Destiny). So its not like they never killed anyone. Not to mention the good-guys outside of Kira/Athrun had no problem killing people. Yeah. It's so embarrassing to be a soldier that a teenage boy with no formal military training has to go easy on you. Better yet, you have to fight an enemy captain that's not trained to be one and who can only utter the line "EVADE!" during battle. Better yet, you're either with the superpower that controls the space territories or the earth and you can't take down a faction led by a teenage pop idol and a teenage tomboy. What the hell are you even trying to say? Why did you even quote me? I don't get it. 1.) Kira being a "teenage boy with no formal military training" is exactly the same as Amuro, and is one of the most common elements in Gundam shows. Amuro, Uso, Kamille, Loran, Garrod, Judau, etc etc are all like that. And it seems for whatever reason, you are just singling out SEED. Why is that? 2.) If you are talking about Murrue, then your knowledge of stuff that actually happened in SEED rivals that of Kaal's knowledge of SEED. Which means you probably didn't really watch it, since I can't even understand why you would even try to exaggerate a claim like that, unlike your other two statements. 3.) If you are talking about the end of Destiny, then I don't care to argue, since Destiny was shit. If you are talking about just SEED, then you are showing Kaal-level knowledge of what actually happened in the show. I'm singling out the newer gundams with the no-kill policy. Garrod was an AC pilot. Amuro eventually became a military officer, and the rest were pretty kill happy despite saying how much they hated to kill (If you didn't get close you wouldn't have died!) Yes, I'm talking about Murrue. She's more of a motherly figure than a captain. She acts on intuition, and things worked out just because. Yes, I'm exaggerating it, but that's just how it works with sarcastic remarks. I quoted you because you misinterpreted my previous statement. I'm not dismissing Kira as a hypocrite, I'm dismissing the show as ridiculous. Lets take Turn A Gundam. Loran wasn't kill happy at all. He fought battles through the entire series in nearly the exact same manner as Kira did, when Kira decided not to kill people unless necessary. So what are your views on Turn A, then? I don't know what you mean about Garrod being an "AC pilot". You say you are singling the newer Gundams out for their no-kill policy. And then you start making fun of SEED, since it has a kid with no military training being much better than trained pilots. And using this as an reason to call SEED ridiculous is hypocritical, since its a common theme in many Gundam shows. Or maybe you are just talking about how Kira started to "hold back" against enemies? IDK what your point is anymore. Your exaggeration on Murrue is just too much. Saying all she yells is "evade", when she probably yelled "LOHENGRIN, FIRE!" more often, kinda kills that point. I don't see how "she acts on intuition" is the same thing as "all she does is yell 'evade'!". edit: Okay, I think I get what you are saying. Its not the "without military training" part you are focusing on, but the "holding back" part you are focusing on? AC, Alternate Century, you know the drill. Turn A is also a pretty new gundam. I don't see how I suffer from hypocrisy when I said that Kira is holding back against soldiers even as an untrained pilot. Have I stated a character who adopted the no-kill policy and praised him or her? I made a blanket statement that the no-kill policy sucked, you brought up how it fits the theme of SEED, and I said it makes it ridiculous. The "evade" part is actually a running joke between my friends and me. When we were playing SD gundam, we were deciding the ship pilots. We decided on the guy from SEED because he dodges everything when all the instruction he received were evade! Ah, you meant AU. Although I don't really know what you are trying to imply by him being an AU pilot. AU=bad, or something? Kira "holding back" on people, and Kira having a no-kill policy are two completely different things. Anyway, Kira didn't hold back on shit. Kira saw something, and then he beat the shit out of them, and left them alive. That isn't holding back. In Destiny, it was commented that it took a tremendous amount of skill for Kira to be able to fight the way he does. Kira wasn't dicking around, and sandbagging, or anything like that. He fought his battles with all his abilities, its just Kira forced extra rules on his manner of fighting. Its just that Kira's combination of ability, talent, and hardware was more than almost anyone else in the entire show could handle.
... Perhaps holding back in not the right word. So the normal soldiers are such fodders that they get owned even with such restrictions on Kira. Yeah, the profession is now a joke.
Those responses to Southlight were jokes. If you can't distinguish that from my points with you, then I have nothing to say.
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On May 12 2011 07:15 bearbuddy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 06:55 Sentenal wrote:On May 12 2011 06:38 bearbuddy wrote:On May 12 2011 06:20 Sentenal wrote:On May 12 2011 06:05 bearbuddy wrote:On May 12 2011 05:48 Sentenal wrote:On May 12 2011 04:46 bearbuddy wrote:On May 11 2011 23:28 Sentenal wrote:On May 11 2011 14:39 Kaal wrote:On May 11 2011 13:50 Ferrose wrote:
You know what I hated? In the Gundam Wing Endless Waltz movie (IIRC) at the end of the movie, they were all just like "Guys let's stop this killing people!" and just disabled the enemy Mobile Suits without killing the pilot. Gundam Seed does the same thing. And yes battlecruiser icon guy, that makes you a trapcon. I don't remember exactly what happened in Endless Waltz, but SEED wasn't a "lets not kill anyone ever!" hippy-fest. Not killing people was a policy that was exclusive to 2nd half Kira and Athrun, and even then it wasn't that black and white. Their policy was more like avoiding killing people who didn't need to die. In their eyes, the soldiers on each side weren't really their enemies, they don't want to kill people who aren't their enemies. Naive, sure, but IMO it made sense for the plot. Kira wasn't even a soldier in the first place. + Show Spoiler +Kira killed Rau Le Cruset at the end of SEED, he killed Stella in Destiny, and pretty much any time they attacked a ship, they ended up killing alot of people (see when Kira attacked the Minerva in Destiny). So its not like they never killed anyone. Not to mention the good-guys outside of Kira/Athrun had no problem killing people. Yeah. It's so embarrassing to be a soldier that a teenage boy with no formal military training has to go easy on you. Better yet, you have to fight an enemy captain that's not trained to be one and who can only utter the line "EVADE!" during battle. Better yet, you're either with the superpower that controls the space territories or the earth and you can't take down a faction led by a teenage pop idol and a teenage tomboy. What the hell are you even trying to say? Why did you even quote me? I don't get it. 1.) Kira being a "teenage boy with no formal military training" is exactly the same as Amuro, and is one of the most common elements in Gundam shows. Amuro, Uso, Kamille, Loran, Garrod, Judau, etc etc are all like that. And it seems for whatever reason, you are just singling out SEED. Why is that? 2.) If you are talking about Murrue, then your knowledge of stuff that actually happened in SEED rivals that of Kaal's knowledge of SEED. Which means you probably didn't really watch it, since I can't even understand why you would even try to exaggerate a claim like that, unlike your other two statements. 3.) If you are talking about the end of Destiny, then I don't care to argue, since Destiny was shit. If you are talking about just SEED, then you are showing Kaal-level knowledge of what actually happened in the show. I'm singling out the newer gundams with the no-kill policy. Garrod was an AC pilot. Amuro eventually became a military officer, and the rest were pretty kill happy despite saying how much they hated to kill (If you didn't get close you wouldn't have died!) Yes, I'm talking about Murrue. She's more of a motherly figure than a captain. She acts on intuition, and things worked out just because. Yes, I'm exaggerating it, but that's just how it works with sarcastic remarks. I quoted you because you misinterpreted my previous statement. I'm not dismissing Kira as a hypocrite, I'm dismissing the show as ridiculous. Lets take Turn A Gundam. Loran wasn't kill happy at all. He fought battles through the entire series in nearly the exact same manner as Kira did, when Kira decided not to kill people unless necessary. So what are your views on Turn A, then? I don't know what you mean about Garrod being an "AC pilot". You say you are singling the newer Gundams out for their no-kill policy. And then you start making fun of SEED, since it has a kid with no military training being much better than trained pilots. And using this as an reason to call SEED ridiculous is hypocritical, since its a common theme in many Gundam shows. Or maybe you are just talking about how Kira started to "hold back" against enemies? IDK what your point is anymore. Your exaggeration on Murrue is just too much. Saying all she yells is "evade", when she probably yelled "LOHENGRIN, FIRE!" more often, kinda kills that point. I don't see how "she acts on intuition" is the same thing as "all she does is yell 'evade'!". edit: Okay, I think I get what you are saying. Its not the "without military training" part you are focusing on, but the "holding back" part you are focusing on? AC, Alternate Century, you know the drill. Turn A is also a pretty new gundam. I don't see how I suffer from hypocrisy when I said that Kira is holding back against soldiers even as an untrained pilot. Have I stated a character who adopted the no-kill policy and praised him or her? I made a blanket statement that the no-kill policy sucked, you brought up how it fits the theme of SEED, and I said it makes it ridiculous. The "evade" part is actually a running joke between my friends and me. When we were playing SD gundam, we were deciding the ship pilots. We decided on the guy from SEED because he dodges everything when all the instruction he received were evade! Ah, you meant AU. Although I don't really know what you are trying to imply by him being an AU pilot. AU=bad, or something? Kira "holding back" on people, and Kira having a no-kill policy are two completely different things. Anyway, Kira didn't hold back on shit. Kira saw something, and then he beat the shit out of them, and left them alive. That isn't holding back. In Destiny, it was commented that it took a tremendous amount of skill for Kira to be able to fight the way he does. Kira wasn't dicking around, and sandbagging, or anything like that. He fought his battles with all his abilities, its just Kira forced extra rules on his manner of fighting. Its just that Kira's combination of ability, talent, and hardware was more than almost anyone else in the entire show could handle. ... Perhaps holding back in not the right word. So the normal soldiers are such fodders that they get owned even with such restrictions on Kira. Yeah, the profession is now a joke. Those responses to Southlight were jokes. If you can't distinguish that from my points with you, then I have nothing to say. So, its just not possible that Kira was an insanely OP pilot, combined with the best hardware in the show. No, that isn't possible. The mooks in the show must have just been jokes! Yeah! I'll go with that, even though everything else ever explained or portrayed in the show shows the opposite!
If you can't even defend against Southlight's points (and btw, he is agreeing with me), then looks like I have nothing else to say either, since that would mean I win. lol.
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[18:16] <Seki> also did you noticed
[18:16] <Seki> that he completely ignored my post?
[18:16] <Seki> notice*
[18:16] <Seki> with his new post
[18:16] <Seki> he just reiterated an argument
[18:16] <Seki> that i explained
[18:16] <Seki> ......................
[18:16] * Seki facepalms
[18:16] <Seki> w/e
lol
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On May 12 2011 07:15 bearbuddy wrote:
... Perhaps holding back in not the right word. So the normal soldiers are such fodders that they get owned even with such restrictions on Kira. Yeah, the profession is now a joke.
Should have read:
On May 12 2011 06:42 Southlight wrote:
As for Kira's superiority, it was insinuated that he was simply more talented and had better coordinator genes; hence how he re-wrote Strike's OS to be superior to any of the ZAFT Gundam OS in a significantly shorter amount of time. This contributed to his mech actually being superior to every single other one, completing the triumvirate of "more talented, better, and using a better weapon."
but instead tried to act clevrar:
On May 12 2011 06:53 bearbuddy wrote:
If all things fail, SEED mode deus ex machina... the equivalent of introducing a new character to send for kamikaze in the older shows.
and displayed reading comprehension.
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On May 12 2011 07:17 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 07:15 bearbuddy wrote:On May 12 2011 06:55 Sentenal wrote:On May 12 2011 06:38 bearbuddy wrote:On May 12 2011 06:20 Sentenal wrote:On May 12 2011 06:05 bearbuddy wrote:On May 12 2011 05:48 Sentenal wrote:On May 12 2011 04:46 bearbuddy wrote:On May 11 2011 23:28 Sentenal wrote:On May 11 2011 14:39 Kaal wrote:
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Gundam Seed does the same thing.
And yes battlecruiser icon guy, that makes you a trapcon. I don't remember exactly what happened in Endless Waltz, but SEED wasn't a "lets not kill anyone ever!" hippy-fest. Not killing people was a policy that was exclusive to 2nd half Kira and Athrun, and even then it wasn't that black and white. Their policy was more like avoiding killing people who didn't need to die. In their eyes, the soldiers on each side weren't really their enemies, they don't want to kill people who aren't their enemies. Naive, sure, but IMO it made sense for the plot. Kira wasn't even a soldier in the first place. + Show Spoiler +Kira killed Rau Le Cruset at the end of SEED, he killed Stella in Destiny, and pretty much any time they attacked a ship, they ended up killing alot of people (see when Kira attacked the Minerva in Destiny). So its not like they never killed anyone. Not to mention the good-guys outside of Kira/Athrun had no problem killing people. Yeah. It's so embarrassing to be a soldier that a teenage boy with no formal military training has to go easy on you. Better yet, you have to fight an enemy captain that's not trained to be one and who can only utter the line "EVADE!" during battle. Better yet, you're either with the superpower that controls the space territories or the earth and you can't take down a faction led by a teenage pop idol and a teenage tomboy. What the hell are you even trying to say? Why did you even quote me? I don't get it. 1.) Kira being a "teenage boy with no formal military training" is exactly the same as Amuro, and is one of the most common elements in Gundam shows. Amuro, Uso, Kamille, Loran, Garrod, Judau, etc etc are all like that. And it seems for whatever reason, you are just singling out SEED. Why is that? 2.) If you are talking about Murrue, then your knowledge of stuff that actually happened in SEED rivals that of Kaal's knowledge of SEED. Which means you probably didn't really watch it, since I can't even understand why you would even try to exaggerate a claim like that, unlike your other two statements. 3.) If you are talking about the end of Destiny, then I don't care to argue, since Destiny was shit. If you are talking about just SEED, then you are showing Kaal-level knowledge of what actually happened in the show. I'm singling out the newer gundams with the no-kill policy. Garrod was an AC pilot. Amuro eventually became a military officer, and the rest were pretty kill happy despite saying how much they hated to kill (If you didn't get close you wouldn't have died!) Yes, I'm talking about Murrue. She's more of a motherly figure than a captain. She acts on intuition, and things worked out just because. Yes, I'm exaggerating it, but that's just how it works with sarcastic remarks. I quoted you because you misinterpreted my previous statement. I'm not dismissing Kira as a hypocrite, I'm dismissing the show as ridiculous. Lets take Turn A Gundam. Loran wasn't kill happy at all. He fought battles through the entire series in nearly the exact same manner as Kira did, when Kira decided not to kill people unless necessary. So what are your views on Turn A, then? I don't know what you mean about Garrod being an "AC pilot". You say you are singling the newer Gundams out for their no-kill policy. And then you start making fun of SEED, since it has a kid with no military training being much better than trained pilots. And using this as an reason to call SEED ridiculous is hypocritical, since its a common theme in many Gundam shows. Or maybe you are just talking about how Kira started to "hold back" against enemies? IDK what your point is anymore. Your exaggeration on Murrue is just too much. Saying all she yells is "evade", when she probably yelled "LOHENGRIN, FIRE!" more often, kinda kills that point. I don't see how "she acts on intuition" is the same thing as "all she does is yell 'evade'!". edit: Okay, I think I get what you are saying. Its not the "without military training" part you are focusing on, but the "holding back" part you are focusing on? AC, Alternate Century, you know the drill. Turn A is also a pretty new gundam. I don't see how I suffer from hypocrisy when I said that Kira is holding back against soldiers even as an untrained pilot. Have I stated a character who adopted the no-kill policy and praised him or her? I made a blanket statement that the no-kill policy sucked, you brought up how it fits the theme of SEED, and I said it makes it ridiculous. The "evade" part is actually a running joke between my friends and me. When we were playing SD gundam, we were deciding the ship pilots. We decided on the guy from SEED because he dodges everything when all the instruction he received were evade! Ah, you meant AU. Although I don't really know what you are trying to imply by him being an AU pilot. AU=bad, or something? Kira "holding back" on people, and Kira having a no-kill policy are two completely different things. Anyway, Kira didn't hold back on shit. Kira saw something, and then he beat the shit out of them, and left them alive. That isn't holding back. In Destiny, it was commented that it took a tremendous amount of skill for Kira to be able to fight the way he does. Kira wasn't dicking around, and sandbagging, or anything like that. He fought his battles with all his abilities, its just Kira forced extra rules on his manner of fighting. Its just that Kira's combination of ability, talent, and hardware was more than almost anyone else in the entire show could handle. ... Perhaps holding back in not the right word. So the normal soldiers are such fodders that they get owned even with such restrictions on Kira. Yeah, the profession is now a joke. Those responses to Southlight were jokes. If you can't distinguish that from my points with you, then I have nothing to say. So, its just not possible that Kira was an insanely OP pilot, combined with the best hardware in the show. No, that isn't possible. The mooks in the show must have just been jokes! Yeah! I'll go with that, even though everything else ever explained or portrayed in the show shows the opposite!
Again, I'm not hating on Kira, I'm hating on the direction of the show. It's got a clear superhero complex ring to it, and I feel it's kinda silly if you want to mesh politics with it... which SEED attempted to do.
I guess I am crying. Okay I lose you guys win. I get too emotional sometimes and bring subjective things into the argument. Probably because I'm too big of an establishment kind of guy =(
+ Show Spoiler +On May 12 2011 07:21 Southlight wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 07:15 bearbuddy wrote:
... Perhaps holding back in not the right word. So the normal soldiers are such fodders that they get owned even with such restrictions on Kira. Yeah, the profession is now a joke. Should have read: Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 06:42 Southlight wrote:
As for Kira's superiority, it was insinuated that he was simply more talented and had better coordinator genes; hence how he re-wrote Strike's OS to be superior to any of the ZAFT Gundam OS in a significantly shorter amount of time. This contributed to his mech actually being superior to every single other one, completing the triumvirate of "more talented, better, and using a better weapon." but instead tried to act clevrar: Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 06:53 bearbuddy wrote:
If all things fail, SEED mode deus ex machina... the equivalent of introducing a new character to send for kamikaze in the older shows. and displayed reading comprehension.
I was trying pretty hard to figure out why you said that. Like Sentinel said, it was pretty hard for me to wrap my head around Kira being so far better than everything that I thought you were being somewhat sarcastic.
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I'd recommend the World Only God Knows. It was surprisingly really good. I usually dont watch these kind of anime but after seeing this one, I am more open to more genre. :D
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They've all been recommending that show.
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I haven't read any posts in this topic and if someone takes offense to that I am sorry but I ment to ask;
Could someone recommend either manga/anime that has
A: Action
B: (Not necessarily, but preferably) Romance
C: (Not necessarily, but preferably) Death (from combat etc)
D: 99% preferably completed. Don't want to watch a bunch of episodes and then forgot it because most shows take forever to release new episodes/chapters.
Thanks!
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On May 12 2011 08:22 Krehlmar wrote:
I haven't read any posts in this topic and if someone takes offense to that I am sorry but I ment to ask;
Could someone recommend either manga/anime that has
A: Action
B: (Not necessarily, but preferably) Romance
C: (Not necessarily, but preferably) Death (from combat etc)
D: 99% preferably completed. Don't want to watch a bunch of episodes and then forgot it because most shows take forever to release new episodes/chapters.
Thanks!
Legend of the Galactic Heros
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On May 12 2011 08:22 Krehlmar wrote:
I haven't read any posts in this topic and if someone takes offense to that I am sorry but I ment to ask;
Could someone recommend either manga/anime that has
A: Action
B: (Not necessarily, but preferably) Romance
C: (Not necessarily, but preferably) Death (from combat etc)
D: 99% preferably completed. Don't want to watch a bunch of episodes and then forgot it because most shows take forever to release new episodes/chapters.
Thanks!
School Days
it fits all points and it's completed
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On May 12 2011 08:22 Krehlmar wrote:
I haven't read any posts in this topic and if someone takes offense to that I am sorry but I ment to ask;
Could someone recommend either manga/anime that has
A: Action
B: (Not necessarily, but preferably) Romance
C: (Not necessarily, but preferably) Death (from combat etc)
D: 99% preferably completed. Don't want to watch a bunch of episodes and then forgot it because most shows take forever to release new episodes/chapters.
Thanks!
Definitely School Days
it's an Action Filled, Romance story, with some epic death scenes, that is completed
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Girlfriend and I just watched 5 centimeters per second. I really enjoyed the art and the story telling, but man... when it ended I felt so depressed. I didn't even think it was over when it was over.
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It's really good, but it left me with feelings of really wishing they could of found a way or if we at least knew they still kept in contact a bit. By the end when Takaki is basically having his mid-life crisis I felt like, "Oh, hey, Akari will come back into his life and it'll shift things around for him in the better even if they don't end up together." Sadly, that didn't happen which did make me quite sad.
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On May 12 2011 09:05 Skilledblob wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 08:22 Krehlmar wrote:
I haven't read any posts in this topic and if someone takes offense to that I am sorry but I ment to ask;
Could someone recommend either manga/anime that has
A: Action
B: (Not necessarily, but preferably) Romance
C: (Not necessarily, but preferably) Death (from combat etc)
D: 99% preferably completed. Don't want to watch a bunch of episodes and then forgot it because most shows take forever to release new episodes/chapters.
Thanks! School Days it fits all points and it's completed
You're not allowed to use this troll.
OK Since this dude is making the anti seed faction look bad, I'll put my two cents in.
<@Kaal> Yknow
<@Kaal> this guy makes the anti seed faction look terrible
<Seki> lol
<@Kaal> The reason I don't like SEED is because it was supposed to be a Real Robot remake and goes all Super Robot.
<@Kaal> So I was incredibly disapointed.
<Sentenal> whats wrong with super robot??
<Sentenal> Gunbuster did that too
<@Kaal> I felt the show itself wasn't that great stand alone, and I DID NOT like the "herpderp only shoot arms and heads don't kill anyone unless they're a main character"
<spazer> lol
<spazer> slight difference there
<@Kaal> I like super robot shows
<@Kaal> I dislike Super Robot gundam
<Sentenal> Gunbuster started out Real Robot, and then all the sudden HOMMMINGGGUUU LASSSSAAAAAAAAAAAAA
<@Kaal> Because I feel like Super Robot gundam only uses the Gundam name to sell shows.
<Sentenal> did you dislike the actual Super Robot gundam?
<Sentenal> aka G Gundam
<@Kaal> It's entertaining but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone wanting to watch a good super robot show
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