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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On November 29 2014 06:32 Incognoto wrote: well crocodile was arrested with seastone handcuffs, right? enel was not afaik He wanted to go to Impel Down, as seen in the Manga Cover stories where the other Baroque Works guys broke him and the rest out, but then Crocodile, Mr.1, and Mr. 3 decided to stay. So its obviously he let them put those handcuffs on. Keikaku doori. | ||
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OskO
Argentina369 Posts
On November 29 2014 03:31 Incognoto wrote: Brook would like to have a word with you. I think we never got to see the Yomi Yomi No Mi price. I think it's a pretty sick fruit and would be highly valued, but not as much as the Ope Ope No Mi because, and I forgot to mention this earlier, the Ope Ope No Mi gives the 'eternal life' to a 3rd party and that means no drawbacks as far as we know (Well, the user dies but no drawback for the recipient). | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Otherwise, I will admit that Brook's Devil fruit isn't that interesting. | ||
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OskO
Argentina369 Posts
On November 29 2014 18:24 Incognoto wrote: Well what drawback does this fruit have? Brook is immortal from the get go, unlike Law who will have to sacrifice himself to get obtain someone else's immortality. Otherwise, I will admit that Brook's Devil fruit isn't that interesting. Not being able to swim and getting wrecked by anything with Kairoseki. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On November 29 2014 06:00 Mataza wrote: Kaizoku-O Everyone is a pirate, the O means that it's the king. Isn't it kaizoku o ou ni, ore wa naru? My rapanese es no Gud | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On November 29 2014 20:33 OskO wrote: Not being able to swim and getting wrecked by anything with Kairoseki. Oh right, I'm being silly! :p | ||
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OskO
Argentina369 Posts
On November 29 2014 20:49 Sponkz wrote: Isn't it kaizoku o ou ni, ore wa naru? My rapanese es no Gud Kaizoku ō ni, ore wa naru. Something like... "The pirate king, I'm gonna do it!", essentially "I'm gonna be the Pirate King!" | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
"kami" means God? or hair? or paper? | ||
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Latham
9589 Posts
On November 30 2014 00:04 Incognoto wrote: "o ni" means king right? "kami" means God? or hair? or paper? O ---> king ni ---> particle refereing to the "king" part. "oni" as 1 word = demon Kami --> God (usually kami-sama, with the honorific -sama) kami ---> hair, paper obviously this is much easier to distinguish with proper kana, not romanji | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
what exactly is a particle? you know I once saw a small guide that explained how to read korean phonetically, is there such an equivalent for japanese? wouldn't be bad to associate words to actual japanese instead of romanized english words (or whatever they're called) | ||
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Latham
9589 Posts
And about particles... particles are words like "to, a, an, up, down, off, on", basically words that are put between nouns, verbs, adjectives etc. that never conjugate themselves. To make it simpler, if you ever heard a foreigner speak "broken English", it's mostly due to him cutting out the necessary particles in a phrase. I remember that Korean-reading thing, but it would be equally useless. Even if you can read hangeul in Korean they still use hanja (chinese characters) in everyday writing. Same with Japanese, even if you can read/write in hiragana and katakana, they still use kanji (chinese characters) in street signs, newspapers, letters etc. God is 神 which is read as "kami". Paper is 紙 and hair is 发. All 3 are read "kami". | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
So in Japanese there's hiragana, katakana and kanji, kanji is based off of Chinese characters? Heh, that's pretty complicated compared to languages based off Latin. Are all particles at the end of the preposition? You know I've been wanting to learn basic Japanese for a bit now, mostly by reading children's books (Dr Seuss style). Is there an online equivalent or something? By the way: O ---> king ni ---> particle refereing to the "king" part. "oni" as 1 word = demon Can we infer, from this, that Oda is saying that the Pirate King is a pirate-demon instead? Instead of "Kaizoku ō ni" which is "King of Pirates", it would be "Kaizoku oni" which would be demon pirate? That would make an interesting contrast with the Celestial Dragons which are supposedly Gods, since the opposite of a god would be a demon, right? | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
I think the literal meaning of the particle in kaizoku-O ni would be (pirate king) [of], as opposed to the english order king [of] [the] pirates. The important words are king and pirate, everything else is grammatical filler depending on language. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On November 30 2014 02:30 Mataza wrote: Nice explanation, you learn something new everyday. I think the literal meaning of the particle in kaizoku-O ni would be (pirate king) [of], as opposed to the english order king [of] [the] pirates. The important words are king and pirate, everything else is grammatical filler depending on language. Kind of how like Germans like to put the verb at the end of the sentence! We won't know what's going to happen to the noun until the very end, making German a language full of suspense. | ||
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Latham
9589 Posts
Demon would be written as 鬼 and read as "oni". That was my error in showing you how phonetically it can all get confusing. Mataza is correct in his interpretation of the word order but interpreted "ni" as the wrong particle. Japanese here would be the same as English. Pirate King(kaizoku o) and King of Pirates (kaizoku no o). It's just a convenience thing, you'd use the full form King of Pirates to emphasise that he'd be the king of pirates if anyone had any doubt of what he'd be king of. The "ni" に particle in this sentence is likely linked to naru (verb: to become). It's akin to the English "will become". The "will" is linked to the verb that shows future. + Show Spoiler + So to correctly translate it into proper English it would be "I will be Pirate King" But if you want word for word translation it will be something like "Pirate King will, I become." The sentence makes little sense word for word because European languages follow the word order of Subject-Verb-Object (SVO) while Japanese sentences put their verbs at the end of a sentence. (Subject-Object-Verb). I read a book.(past tense) (Correct English) I book read. Boku wa hon o yonda. 私は本を読んだ (correct Japanese) Anyway this is getting a little out of hand in a One Piece thread, if anyone wants some basic links to where to get started with learning japanese, they can PM me and I'll share with them the links that helped me get to level B1 in Japanese (which I'm currently doing at uni) | ||
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Chro
United States240 Posts
We shouldn't de-rail the tread that much but to understand culture you have to understand language. There's no two ways around it. Knowing a little more about language can help how you understand manags even when translated and you don't see the raw scans since its heavily culture based. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8oxWGWU.png) Pretty random, I wonder if it means anything. | ||
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
On November 29 2014 00:54 Prog455 wrote: While i agree that people in general tend to overestimate Law and Luffy - for instance comparing Luffy's strength to that of an admiral - i think it is too soon to tell if Luffy or Law can beat Doflamingo. The fight between Law and Doflamingo was right from the beginning heavily skewed in Doflamingos favor, given the fact that Law was already a wreck. At this point though we have no idea of Luffy strength. Considering that he overpowered Chinjao - who used to have a bounty comparable to that of Ace - i don't think that unreasonable to assume that Luffy can at the very least hold his own against Doflamingo. Also keep in mind that at the end of the day, this is a shounen-manga so it shouldn't come as a shock if Luffy pulls out a new technique from Rayleigh to deal with Doflamingo. Gear 4  | ||
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Bam Lee
2336 Posts
On November 29 2014 18:24 Incognoto wrote: Well what drawback does this fruit have? Brook is immortal from the get go, unlike Law who will have to sacrifice himself to get obtain someone else's immortality. Otherwise, I will admit that Brook's Devil fruit isn't that interesting. Well technically if you get immortality through a ope ope no mi user you can still have a different devil fruit power on your own. If you obtain immortality through brooks fruit you cant eat another devil fruit. Since brooks devil fruit hasnt been shown to be a very good "fighting" fruit so far, i would say that is a drawback! | ||
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
On December 01 2014 08:23 Bam Lee wrote: Well technically if you get immortality through a ope ope no mi user you can still have a different devil fruit power on your own. If you obtain immortality through brooks fruit you cant eat another devil fruit. Since brooks devil fruit hasnt been shown to be a very good "fighting" fruit so far, i would say that is a drawback! Yea but the disadvantage is to become imortal from the ope ope fruit someone else has to give it to you the immortality. Probably not too many people willing to do that unless they were already on the verge of death anyway. But in theory it would be better to be immortal and be able to have another fruit.. | ||
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