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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

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Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
May 14 2014 19:29 GMT
#15841
Big Mom isnt Lola's mother.

We learned about Yonkou's way before thriller bark. Oda would've told us if she were Yonkou's son.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
May 14 2014 19:34 GMT
#15842
On May 15 2014 04:29 Mensol wrote:
Big Mom isnt Lola's mother.

We learned about Yonkou's way before thriller bark. Oda would've told us if she were Yonkou's son.

she could have become a yonkou after Lola got trapped on Thriller bark
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 19:39:40
May 14 2014 19:35 GMT
#15843
Pika is a bit odd since he has the benefits of being a Logia, but none of the weakness. He can control massive amount of stones and rock, but when someone cuts that stone even with haki it doesn't hurt Pika. His real body is somewhere and you could hurt him even without haki if you could find him. I'm curious if they can find a weakness to his fruit or if they just need to straight up over power it. It would require something like the technique Luffy used to try and destroy the ship Noah in order to stand a chance and even then you would just destroy the stone, but not necessarily Pica. Since he isn't the element himself he requires material to actually use his power so if he were in the middle of the ocean on a wood boat his power would be useless, but that's not something you can exploit easily.

Big Mom could still be Lola's mother, but there still isn't any hard evidence.
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
May 14 2014 19:38 GMT
#15844
On May 15 2014 04:29 Mensol wrote:
Big Mom isnt Lola's mother.

We learned about Yonkou's way before thriller bark. Oda would've told us if she were Yonkou's son.


You make a lot of claims, that reallly annoying considering you are always wrong.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 19:52:40
May 14 2014 19:43 GMT
#15845
On May 15 2014 04:38 Faust852 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2014 04:29 Mensol wrote:
Big Mom isnt Lola's mother.

We learned about Yonkou's way before thriller bark. Oda would've told us if she were Yonkou's son.


You make a lot of claims, that reallly annoying considering you are always wrong.

Fortunately, im always right.

On May 15 2014 04:34 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2014 04:29 Mensol wrote:
Big Mom isnt Lola's mother.

We learned about Yonkou's way before thriller bark. Oda would've told us if she were Yonkou's son.

she could have become a yonkou after Lola got trapped on Thriller bark

I doubt it.

We have seen a lot of strong characters, i think she'll be as strong as Jinbei and help SH crew when they fight against a Yonkou.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 19:54:36
May 14 2014 19:52 GMT
#15846
Even if you are right that Big Mom is not Lola's mother your justification is weak. Lola was vague about who her mother was just saying she was a famous pirate in the New World. Lola didn't feel the need to tell Nami who her mother was so neither does Oda. Heck Robin should have told Luffy about Sabo, but Oda definitely wanted Luffy meeting Sabo to be the reveal.
i am plus
Profile Joined October 2011
United States190 Posts
May 14 2014 19:57 GMT
#15847
looks like fuji gonna join them zoro and fuji vs pica and luffy heads right for doffy xd
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
May 14 2014 22:21 GMT
#15848
On May 14 2014 23:04 agahamsorr0w wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2014 22:45 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
On May 14 2014 22:35 rei wrote:
Fuck ya In everybody's face who doubted me when I said Mingo is honorable to his people and they all respect him not out of fear, and willingly die for his cost.

lol typical rei. No one disputed that he had people willing to die for him. He was not honourable because of it, and he is still not honourable now. So yeah fuck you back to your face, for continuing your lack of logical thinking.


honourable is something everyone decides by himself. robin hood stole but he stole for the poor. that makes him honourable in a way but not in the eyes of the rich. now u can stop dissing people who are right.


Dangermousecatdog so sad, you don't even know you are owning yourself, maybe in a few years when your brain mature a little more then you can see the difference between seeking truth and accepting truth by revelation.
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bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
May 15 2014 01:08 GMT
#15849
I do love these chaotic chapters.

My one wish is that Sabo and Luffy fight together. If I get that out of this arc, I'll be so freaking happy.
My second wish is that Doflamingo somehow remains. I think it's fairly unlikely unfortunately.
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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
May 15 2014 02:09 GMT
#15850
I don't think its unlikely at all for Doflamingo to still be around after his defeat. Crocodile stayed around after his defeat, so did Moria.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
May 15 2014 02:15 GMT
#15851
On May 15 2014 11:09 Sentenal wrote:
I don't think its unlikely at all for Doflamingo to still be around after his defeat. Crocodile stayed around after his defeat, so did Moria.

i think itd be even wieder for him not to be around considering how much time has been spent on his character
Zholistic
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia278 Posts
May 15 2014 03:01 GMT
#15852
Ok right. Peeka manipulates stone, so the earth, with his devil fruit. The Smile factory is encased in pure karoseiki (the sea stone stuff). I forsee some sort of method using this factory to negate his powers.

"Scissors are overpowered. Rock is fine." -Paper
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-15 03:09:08
May 15 2014 03:02 GMT
#15853
just thought of something, Doflamingo mentioned he "talked" to Fuji, and he seemed extremely angry when he made the whole "is the world government the same as god" speech thing and he mentions something being done "over and over" (maybe the Ternyuubito becoming younger/reborn?)

what if Dofla let him in on some terrible secret and then tricking him into thinking that after all this theyd team up to deal with it? and the reason he has to take out Fuji after is because that secret cant be leaked no matter what?

also one of Kaidous ships was from a country so presumably Kaidou also controls at least one country and is allied with Doflamingo...

maybe Dofla is actually trying to topple the World Government?
Sharkey
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
668 Posts
May 15 2014 03:35 GMT
#15854
On May 15 2014 12:02 Forikorder wrote:
just thought of something, Doflamingo mentioned he "talked" to Fuji, and he seemed extremely angry when he made the whole "is the world government the same as god" speech thing and he mentions something being done "over and over" (maybe the Ternyuubito becoming younger/reborn?)

what if Dofla let him in on some terrible secret and then tricking him into thinking that after all this theyd team up to deal with it? and the reason he has to take out Fuji after is because that secret cant be leaked no matter what?

also one of Kaidous ships was from a country so presumably Kaidou also controls at least one country and is allied with Doflamingo...

maybe Dofla is actually trying to topple the World Government?


Totally disagree. I read a reddit thread and it cleared up lots of my misunderstandings of what Fujitora said. Let's first look at the exchange between Fujitora and Maynard (mangastream.com translation).

Maynard: This isn't Right Admiral Isshou!! There's no way Doflamingo should remain a shichibukai after this! We should apprehend him immediately, while we can!
Fujitora: Actions like that are what have allowed crises like this to repeat themselves over and over again. You've been with the Marines for quite some time, haven't you? Vice-Admiral? Have you been ignoring them all this time? These anger-filled screams... These people do not cry... They are filled with rage! Is the World Government... Some kind of God!? I would have you follow the course I deemed the best. [italics mine]

Fujitora, in the italics, is talking about the Shichibukai system. He is saying that the people like Doflamingo are abusing the Shichbukai system and using it for their own gains and against civilians that the Marines want to protect. Fujitora's goal is to do away with the whole system so people like Crocodile, Doflamingo, Blackbeard, etc won't cause the chaos anymore. By simply removing Doflamingo now, he would be getting rid of the manifestation (can't think of a better word here... >.<) of the problem but not the problem itself. He thinks the best way to do this is to let Doflamingo go crazy, protect the citizens and report back to the Marines of the craziness of this Shichibukai system so that it can be tarnished and done away with forever. So basically he will not stop Doflamingo in order for the higher ups to see that the Shichibukai system is the problem (sacrifice a few citizens of Dressrosa to ensure that this problem doesn't repeat 'over and over again'.

I hope this makes sense. I added some of my own opinions/predictions to this too.
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Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
May 15 2014 03:43 GMT
#15855
On May 15 2014 12:35 Sharkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2014 12:02 Forikorder wrote:
just thought of something, Doflamingo mentioned he "talked" to Fuji, and he seemed extremely angry when he made the whole "is the world government the same as god" speech thing and he mentions something being done "over and over" (maybe the Ternyuubito becoming younger/reborn?)

what if Dofla let him in on some terrible secret and then tricking him into thinking that after all this theyd team up to deal with it? and the reason he has to take out Fuji after is because that secret cant be leaked no matter what?

also one of Kaidous ships was from a country so presumably Kaidou also controls at least one country and is allied with Doflamingo...

maybe Dofla is actually trying to topple the World Government?


Totally disagree. I read a reddit thread and it cleared up lots of my misunderstandings of what Fujitora said. Let's first look at the exchange between Fujitora and Maynard (mangastream.com translation).

Maynard: This isn't Right Admiral Isshou!! There's no way Doflamingo should remain a shichibukai after this! We should apprehend him immediately, while we can!
Fujitora: Actions like that are what have allowed crises like this to repeat themselves over and over again. You've been with the Marines for quite some time, haven't you? Vice-Admiral? Have you been ignoring them all this time? These anger-filled screams... These people do not cry... They are filled with rage! Is the World Government... Some kind of God!? I would have you follow the course I deemed the best. [italics mine]

Fujitora, in the italics, is talking about the Shichibukai system. He is saying that the people like Doflamingo are abusing the Shichbukai system and using it for their own gains and against civilians that the Marines want to protect. Fujitora's goal is to do away with the whole system so people like Crocodile, Doflamingo, Blackbeard, etc won't cause the chaos anymore. By simply removing Doflamingo now, he would be getting rid of the manifestation (can't think of a better word here... >.<) of the problem but not the problem itself. He thinks the best way to do this is to let Doflamingo go crazy, protect the citizens and report back to the Marines of the craziness of this Shichibukai system so that it can be tarnished and done away with forever. So basically he will not stop Doflamingo in order for the higher ups to see that the Shichibukai system is the problem (sacrifice a few citizens of Dressrosa to ensure that this problem doesn't repeat 'over and over again'.

I hope this makes sense. I added some of my own opinions/predictions to this too.

so the guy who wanted a list of every civilian in the country when they were planning on ambushing people coming out of the colloseum is now fine with nesecary losses?
Sharkey
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
668 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-15 03:55:50
May 15 2014 03:50 GMT
#15856
Losses that would in the end save lives, yes. If you think the end justifies the means, then also yes. Not that I agree with his worldview I just think what he said and is doing is consistent with what I just wrote.

Do you think your conclusions based on what Fujitora said make more sense than mine?

On May 15 2014 00:23 flamewheel wrote:
....Debate on executive ranking - Pikachu #1.....

Apparently the four executives - Diamonte, Trebol, Pica and the deceased Vergo all have the same rank in Japanese: 最高幹部. The differences come from the different translations. Note: For all intents and purposes I don't know any Japanese. If someone who knows Japanese could comment on this I would greatly appreciate it.

On May 14 2014 23:27 BlackMagister wrote:
Yes the whole honor thing was done to death already. Though Sharkie that was the point of Shell's post.

As for DD's crew loyalty they probably are former slaves of his household that remained loyal to him after he killed his father. The slave theory isn't new, but DD killing his own father gives a good reason for why they would leave. Them being slaves would explain why they call him "Young Master" and why DD only cares about this select group and doesn't allow anyone else to join the family.

I'm glad they did touch on Fujitora not taking action against DD. It really doesn't make sense why Fujitora isn't taking action as voiced by his subordinates, but Fujitora seems to have a plan. Maybe his plan is to show the horrors the Shichibukai system allows? The Marines have been ignoring small infractions the Shichibukai have done so why not this?

It's kind of weird to have an audio gag in the manga, the reactions sell it, but you can't really appreciate in the manga so I'll look forward to the anime episode of it.

Thank you for this informative post!! This makes a lot of sense.

On May 14 2014 23:35 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Looks like he was right.

hehehehe, now that I think about this really rings true. I have never heard of this before, thank you for bringing it to my attention.

Edit: grammar >.< and Japanese disclaimer.
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ElizarTringov
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Bulgaria317 Posts
May 15 2014 03:53 GMT
#15857
On May 14 2014 22:31 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2014 19:34 Incognoto wrote:
On May 14 2014 19:22 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On May 14 2014 18:04 Spicy_Curry wrote:
LOL PEEKAS VOICE


bigger than any building, voice of pikachu.

I'm absolutely sure.


pikachu's voice actor is already working as chopper's voice actor, sorry. :p


all the more reason for me to be right.


I was thinking the same thing! There is no rule that says a voice actor can't do the voices for 2 characters in the same anime/movie whatever.
Perfect practice makes perfect.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
May 15 2014 04:00 GMT
#15858
Losses that would in the end save lives, yes. If you think the end justifies the means, then also yes. Not that I agree with his worldview I just think what he said and is doing is consistent with what I just wrote.

Do you think your conclusions based on what Fujitora said make more sense than mine?


wouldnt the same be true about capturing the criminals from the arena? why go to such lengths to protect the civilians in that scenario but not this one?

so what do you think Dofla talked about with fuji about?
Sharkey
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
668 Posts
May 15 2014 04:13 GMT
#15859
On May 15 2014 13:00 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
Losses that would in the end save lives, yes. If you think the end justifies the means, then also yes. Not that I agree with his worldview I just think what he said and is doing is consistent with what I just wrote.

Do you think your conclusions based on what Fujitora said make more sense than mine?


wouldnt the same be true about capturing the criminals from the arena? why go to such lengths to protect the civilians in that scenario but not this one?

so what do you think Dofla talked about with fuji about?

I don't think you are a troll, but I am done with this topic. I just thought I would post something that made a lot of sense to me and hopefully it is insightful to other forum viewers. I just can't see any alternative view of what Fujitora said that is more reasonable; but I will read this thread and wait.

Gah! Now I have to wait another week for a new chapter!!
If anyone has any serious prayer requests please PM me. Thx.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
May 15 2014 04:36 GMT
#15860
On May 15 2014 13:13 Sharkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2014 13:00 Forikorder wrote:
Losses that would in the end save lives, yes. If you think the end justifies the means, then also yes. Not that I agree with his worldview I just think what he said and is doing is consistent with what I just wrote.

Do you think your conclusions based on what Fujitora said make more sense than mine?


wouldnt the same be true about capturing the criminals from the arena? why go to such lengths to protect the civilians in that scenario but not this one?

so what do you think Dofla talked about with fuji about?

I don't think you are a troll, but I am done with this topic. I just thought I would post something that made a lot of sense to me and hopefully it is insightful to other forum viewers. I just can't see any alternative view of what Fujitora said that is more reasonable; but I will read this thread and wait.

Gah! Now I have to wait another week for a new chapter!!

you dont think its odd that the Admiral who is especially concerned about civilians, and especially hates the Shichibukai is cooperating with a Shichibukai who is killing civilians?

he has the case of Croc, Blackbeard and now Doflamingo if the actions of those three isnt enough to get the Shichibukai disbanded nothing more Dofla can do to Dresrossa is
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