EPTOn March 01 2014 03:53 Incognoto wrote:
mensol won because someone finally succumbed to his trolling ;p
mensol won because someone finally succumbed to his trolling ;p
I'm not sure bait of Mensol quality can be even classed as trolling nowadays : /
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shark.
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I'm not sure bait of Mensol quality can be even classed as trolling nowadays : / | ||
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
Zoro cannot acomplish his dream of being the strongest swordsment because he is but the second in command and Luffy is a swordsman. http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2197-9/one-piece/chapter-90.html + Show Spoiler + *Rolls eyes* | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
now i understand rei better. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18443 Posts
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On March 01 2014 03:51 terranghost wrote: not saying i agree the other points in this mihawk argument but just saying your point here is incorrect http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2063-16/one-piece/chapter-16.html http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2063-17/one-piece/chapter-16.html Uh, being a party pooper I have to correct one point here. Zoro doesn't cripple himself. He hurt himself here, but the wound healed with no lasting damage his future fighting ability. | ||
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
On March 01 2014 04:30 Mensol wrote: lol you guys calling it trolling because you can't find counter argument. now i understand rei better. failure to read and/or acknowledge evidence is not code for the evidence has not been presented. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On March 01 2014 03:51 terranghost wrote: not saying i agree the other points in this mihawk argument but just saying your point here is incorrect http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2063-16/one-piece/chapter-16.html http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2063-17/one-piece/chapter-16.html That's a diff situation. The enemy was purposely aiming at zoro's wound the whole fight, which was annoying zoro, so zoro was like fuck it, you think aiming at my wound is somehow going to help you? I'll speed it along and open my wound myself so you can stop aiming at it and we can fight normally, then you'll see how far the power gap is. That's completely different from him purposely handicapping himself against mihawk cause he feels sorry for him or mihawk asking zoro to cripple himself to even up the odds. Both possibilities are something I can't fathom happening. | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On March 01 2014 04:30 Mensol wrote: lol you guys calling it trolling because you can't find counter argument. now i understand rei better. ever thought about him not caring about the Marineford fight at all? he isnt even hostile towards whitebeard, he was just there cuz he had to be there. he probably knew jozu could stop that slash, that doesnt mean he couldnt kill jozu if he wanted to... he puts haki in that slash somehow --> GG he just toyed with vista, too. why would he try to kill anyone of whitebeards crew? | ||
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
On March 01 2014 08:48 Canucklehead wrote: That's a diff situation. The enemy was purposely aiming at zoro's wound the whole fight, which was annoying zoro, so zoro was like fuck it, you think aiming at my wound is somehow going to help you? I'll speed it along and open my wound myself so you can stop aiming at it and we can fight normally, then you'll see how far the power gap is. That's completely different from him purposely handicapping himself against mihawk cause he feels sorry for him or mihawk asking zoro to cripple himself to even up the odds. Both possibilities are something I can't fathom happening. I agree with everything you just said and I realize there is a difference between the two the fact remains that people (zoro in this case) will indeed injure himself if the situation requires he do so. I still don't buy the argument that the wound is self inflicted or that mihawk gave it to him. All I was doing was disproving this statement. "Even if a fighter were incredibly prideful they wouldn't cripple themselves to prove a point." While the zoro injuring him self cuz he feels bad for mihawk or it is zoro injuring himself to prove a point to cabiji or whatever his name was. It is still a fighter that was very pridful (+ Show Spoiler + zoro scar on eye/cut on waist that even given a similiar weakness that miahawk "has" he can still fight even/ even with a massive cut on his side cabiji is still no match | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
On March 01 2014 08:57 KalWarkov wrote: ever thought about him not caring about the Marineford fight at all? he isnt even hostile towards whitebeard, he was just there cuz he had to be there. he probably knew jozu could stop that slash, that doesnt mean he couldnt kill jozu if he wanted to... he puts haki in that slash somehow --> GG he just toyed with vista, too. why would he try to kill anyone of whitebeards crew? Of course he care about war rofl. He said "i want to see difference between that(wb) and me in terms of power" and send so-called strongest slash in the world. Then he realized that his strongest technique didnt even reach WB. So you think that "stronger slash in the world" dont possess haki? loolol. He didnt toyed with Vista, it was an equal fight. and why not? On March 01 2014 08:21 terranghost wrote: failure to read and/or acknowledge evidence is not code for the evidence has not been presented. translation "i cant find counter argument so ima going to send philosophical words" | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
@ Mensol Of course people think you're trolling. Stopping Mihawk's energy blast doesn't mean much. The slash is so strong it sends an energy wave way out toward Whitebeard that was stopped by Jozu, but Jozu was not fighting up close with Mihawk. Mr. 3 stopped Magellan, but was no where near as strong as him. Then you throw out the Bleach eye joke and irrelevant back story. The Shichibukai were just fulfilling their roles a lot of fights went unresolved in the Whitebeard War. Crocodile went up against Donflamingo too, but Crocodile is definitely not as strong as Donflamingo. The One Piece world acknowledges Mihawk is the strongest swordsman so the hype is justified. Mihawk is weak compared to Whitebeard because Whitebeard has a really strong crew that include members close to Mihawk's strength, but still as an individual Mihawk is the strongest swordsman. Just like how on the next pages Kizaru was stopped by Marco. http://www.mangapanda.com/103-22774-12/one-piece/chapter-553.html | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On March 01 2014 09:10 terranghost wrote: I agree with everything you just said and I realize there is a difference between the two the fact remains that people (zoro in this case) will indeed injure himself if the situation requires he do so. I still don't buy the argument that the wound is self inflicted or that mihawk gave it to him. All I was doing was disproving this statement. "Even if a fighter were incredibly prideful they wouldn't cripple themselves to prove a point." While the zoro injuring him self cuz he feels bad for mihawk or it is zoro injuring himself to prove a point to cabiji or whatever his name was. It is still a fighter that was very pridful (+ Show Spoiler + zoro scar on eye/cut on waist that even given a similiar weakness that miahawk "has" he can still fight even/ even with a massive cut on his side cabiji is still no match I think we mostly agree, but there's a subtle difference I think in our thinking. I think zoro would wound himself to boast and laugh at his enemy to show how weak they are. I don't think zoro would wound himself out of pity for the enemy, especially someone he respects like mihawk. | ||
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
On March 01 2014 08:21 terranghost wrote: translation "i cant find counter argument so ima going to send philosophical words" Me and many others have already produced arguments against it. I'll discount KalWarkov's argument that you quoted as it is true it doesn't hold any water. So because one person came up with a bad argument that you disproved that means that all other arguments that have been said are also disproven? I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you all day you say that no counter arguments have been made yet your too lazy to check yourself. | ||
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
On March 01 2014 09:23 Canucklehead wrote: I think we mostly agree, but there's a subtle difference I think in our thinking. I think zoro would wound himself to boast and laugh at his enemy to show how weak there. I don't think zoro would wound himself out of pity for the enemy, especially someone he respects like mihawk. Your probably right on the point that zoro wouldnt injure himself out of pitty) I still don't think zoro has beaten mihawk cuz it would give him nothing to work for. Given that Mihawk is considered the greatest swordsman in the world. That means he has the capability of beating everyone else that considers themselves a swordsman. Luffy almost always fights whoever the strongest guy in the group is and Zoro usually fights the second strongest guy. If the group holds any swordsmen the second strongest guy is usually the swordsman. If zoro has beaten mihawk already that would imply that zoro will win all of his fights from here on out without trying. | ||
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17Sphynx17
580 Posts
I said the following, everything is assumption and I am further expanding my thought process to clarify to everyone reading: Someone may have beaten Mihawk prior to Zoro beating him in the 2 year Timeskip. That someone, may have given Mihawk an eye injury/blind in one eye during that battle. After Zoro beat Mihawk, Zoro found out Mihawk already lost to another swordsman. And in that battle, he also lost his eyesight. Mihawk explains that he feels he can not beat that swordsman the way he is now. Zoro, in a fit of pride, injures his one eye, to show that it is not a handicap that makes a person unbeatable. It is not an act of pity, but to show that it is not something that should hinder you from becoming the best in your craft (like a swordsman). And not we are even hinted at a good/great swordsman who is actually blind, Fujitora. I know, it is a what if. But these things I feel have meaning. I mean, why make Fujitora blind to begin with and give him a sword as well? He could have just been any admiral for that matter? Was the real life actor he was based on blind? Just a thought that I wanted to share. Again, I can be wrong. But I don't think it is a bad story as well that we get to find out later on that Mihawk is no longer the strongest after the 2 year TS. | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8688 Posts
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Serejai
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
On March 01 2014 17:33 Serejai wrote: I'm pretty sure Zoro simply got lost while trying to find his way back to meet up with the Straw Hats (seriously, how did he find his way back?). He probably turned a wrong corner and poked his eye out on a tree branch. ^^^^this is the best explanation ever | ||
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goody153
44176 Posts
On March 01 2014 17:33 Serejai wrote: I'm pretty sure Zoro simply got lost while trying to find his way back to meet up with the Straw Hats (seriously, how did he find his way back?). He probably turned a wrong corner and poked his eye out on a tree branch. Most legit explanation i have ever heard. Are you by any chance Oda-sensei? | ||
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