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On January 17 2014 05:21 PVJ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 04:41 Canucklehead wrote:On January 16 2014 04:16 sumsaR wrote:On January 16 2014 04:03 Canucklehead wrote:On January 16 2014 00:40 playnice wrote:Yes. But the translation is really off though. The part about her insisting DD breaking the alliance is like the complete opposite of the Chinese translation. Yes, I'm kind of confused about this page as doesn't it imply viola is still working for DD and planning to backstab the strawhats? No, he's just saying that it was she who insisted he should break the alliance (assumably) to spite King Riku (in essence how bad his daughter has become under Dofla's command). At the time she was on his side. It's only recently she switched. On January 16 2014 04:37 shark. wrote:
I took it as DD's way of saying Viola had betrayed him which would lead to him defeating the strawhats and by her betrayal this would be absolute. So as in the twisted way DD likes to spin things he saying that her betrayal means hes paying more attention and has a greater want to destroy the Alliance and that by her betrayal she almost wants him to crush them.
I'm finding it difficult to put into words, sorry. I just clicked on the page again to reread and the translation for the last part has been updated and corrected, so no more confusion! http://mangastream.com/r/one_piece/734/2212/18Original translation - "She's the one who insisted I break it!" New translation - "She's betting everything on it to defeat me!" This totally clears it up now as the two translations have complete opposite meanings. Thank god viola isn't a double double agent as that would break sanji's heart!  People should get the idea now that mangastream, mangapanda are shit. Here's a translation which isn't rushed and makes things quite clear: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/218558/one-piece_ch734_by_powermanga2 things; 1) What's happening to Franky? Is he jumping back on his feet, or getting drowned by the swamp thing? 2) When was Cavendish exactly introduced? I'm just trying to put a timeframe on how far ahead does Oda has to plan, at least. Great chapter although a bit disappointing ending.
Hey, Mangastream is good enough. Even though they tend to choose certain kind of juvenile phrasing from time to time.
Franky is still being supplexed by the ground swimming guy.
Cavendish was introduced shortly before the fighting tournament. Oda certainly plans way more ahead than that though.
Its safe to say that all the events of this arc are already planned in detail.
One of Odas more amazing pieces of foreshadowing was the mentioning of "Smile" on the Shabaody Archipelago before the timeskip. There are more cases like this that each have hundreds of chapters inbetween and still are absolutely seamless.
The biggest sign of Odas planning though is the entire lack of contradictions. The biggest plothole One Piece has to date is the fact that Shanks lost his arm when Luffy was a kid.
And it's been reported that Oda has laid out all the major plot points until the very end of the manga to a select few people in case he dies before he can complete it himself.
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And it's been reported that Oda has laid out all the major plot points until the very end of the manga to a select few people in case he dies before he can complete it himself.
I still can't decide if I'd be happy to be one of those, or really sad. Both, I guess...
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On January 17 2014 08:11 GettingIt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 07:04 Sentenal wrote:On January 17 2014 01:54 GettingIt wrote:
To be fair, Robins ability isnt good for 1v1's unless she is physically stronger than her opponent since shes just essentially creating a replica of her body. Can you imagine someone with a bunch of physical brute strength, such as Burgess, being able to wrap 20 of his arms around you. I wonder if the arms Robin makes with her devil fruit could use haki, that would be awesome. Robin has defeated tons of people who are physically stronger than her. She took out Pell with no problems what-so-ever, and defeated the Chief Enforcer at Skypeia. When she first dumpstered Pell, she said something along the lines of "strength and numbers don't mean much against her". I misspoke. I meant to say it isn't good for 1v1ing people who are greatly stronger than her physically such as pretty much everyone that matters in the New World. Pell was strong, but not crazy strong and she beat the Chief Enforcer because he would roll in a ball so she just led him off a cliff. Had Robin beat him by breaking his neck or whatever I would be impressed. But since she is weak her ability, I think, is completely useless against the likes of Vergo or Diamante. I agree that the Hana Hana no Mito would be very powerful if one of those two characters had it. Sure she can fly and make a giant hand but even the giant hand isn't strong because she can't put her whole body behind the attack (and shes physically weak). The ability to make a clone of herself is very strong (shadow clone no jusu), but she can't use it to launch a counter attack because her attacks wont hurt the enemy if they're sufficiently stronger (which again is pretty much anyone thats not fodder in the New World). I don't know maybe she'll prove me wrong if she fights one of Dofla's executives.
Yeah, I doubt she would be able to take out any of the really top tier people in the New World simply with her ability, but I don't think it would be that uselss either. Even strong people have weak spots, and that ability is perfect for exploiting that.
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On January 17 2014 08:33 Eshra wrote:Show nested quote +And it's been reported that Oda has laid out all the major plot points until the very end of the manga to a select few people in case he dies before he can complete it himself. I still can't decide if I'd be happy to be one of those, or really sad. Both, I guess...
definitely sad...
I will probably cry on the day the last one piece chapter comes out...
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On January 17 2014 07:04 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 01:54 GettingIt wrote:
To be fair, Robins ability isnt good for 1v1's unless she is physically stronger than her opponent since shes just essentially creating a replica of her body. Can you imagine someone with a bunch of physical brute strength, such as Burgess, being able to wrap 20 of his arms around you. I wonder if the arms Robin makes with her devil fruit could use haki, that would be awesome. Robin has defeated tons of people who are physically stronger than her. She took out Pell with no problems what-so-ever, and defeated the Chief Enforcer at Skypeia. When she first dumpstered Pell, she said something along the lines of "strength and numbers don't mean much against her".
she lost to zombie zoro because the zombie is too strong/something, right?
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Can't robin just cover up everyone's eyes when they're fighting? If you're preoccupied with that then anyone else from the crew could easily take someone down. Hell, she could even sprout hands on DF's hands and control the strings herself. If usopp didn't take down buffalo then she could have just changed the weight and angle of one of the propellers he made with his limb sending him into a death spiral. Its one of those powers that can be super OP if you're creative enough.
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I am willing to die (peacefully) under Robin's enormous legs. No other character in OP capable to do that.
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On January 17 2014 10:13 Cmon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 07:04 Sentenal wrote:On January 17 2014 01:54 GettingIt wrote:
To be fair, Robins ability isnt good for 1v1's unless she is physically stronger than her opponent since shes just essentially creating a replica of her body. Can you imagine someone with a bunch of physical brute strength, such as Burgess, being able to wrap 20 of his arms around you. I wonder if the arms Robin makes with her devil fruit could use haki, that would be awesome. Robin has defeated tons of people who are physically stronger than her. She took out Pell with no problems what-so-ever, and defeated the Chief Enforcer at Skypeia. When she first dumpstered Pell, she said something along the lines of "strength and numbers don't mean much against her". she lost to zombie zoro because the zombie is too strong/something, right?
Also because those zombies don't feel pain or receive injuries in the same way living people do. Strategies involving submission or breaking limbs won't affect them.
I would love to see Robin with more combat power and climactic fight scenes, but I'm not holding my breath.
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On January 17 2014 10:41 EchOne wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 10:13 Cmon wrote:On January 17 2014 07:04 Sentenal wrote:On January 17 2014 01:54 GettingIt wrote:
To be fair, Robins ability isnt good for 1v1's unless she is physically stronger than her opponent since shes just essentially creating a replica of her body. Can you imagine someone with a bunch of physical brute strength, such as Burgess, being able to wrap 20 of his arms around you. I wonder if the arms Robin makes with her devil fruit could use haki, that would be awesome. Robin has defeated tons of people who are physically stronger than her. She took out Pell with no problems what-so-ever, and defeated the Chief Enforcer at Skypeia. When she first dumpstered Pell, she said something along the lines of "strength and numbers don't mean much against her". she lost to zombie zoro because the zombie is too strong/something, right? Also because those zombies don't feel pain or receive injuries in the same way living people do. Strategies involving submission or breaking limbs won't affect them. I would love to see Robin with more combat power and climactic fight scenes, but I'm not holding my breath.
What? Yes they do. She was able to snap a dozen of zombies necks before reaching the Zoro zombie.
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On January 17 2014 10:44 GettingIt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 10:41 EchOne wrote:On January 17 2014 10:13 Cmon wrote:On January 17 2014 07:04 Sentenal wrote:On January 17 2014 01:54 GettingIt wrote:
To be fair, Robins ability isnt good for 1v1's unless she is physically stronger than her opponent since shes just essentially creating a replica of her body. Can you imagine someone with a bunch of physical brute strength, such as Burgess, being able to wrap 20 of his arms around you. I wonder if the arms Robin makes with her devil fruit could use haki, that would be awesome. Robin has defeated tons of people who are physically stronger than her. She took out Pell with no problems what-so-ever, and defeated the Chief Enforcer at Skypeia. When she first dumpstered Pell, she said something along the lines of "strength and numbers don't mean much against her". she lost to zombie zoro because the zombie is too strong/something, right? Also because those zombies don't feel pain or receive injuries in the same way living people do. Strategies involving submission or breaking limbs won't affect them. I would love to see Robin with more combat power and climactic fight scenes, but I'm not holding my breath. What? Yes they do. She was able to snap a dozen of zombies necks before reaching the Zoro zombie.
Wasn't it salt that took them down?
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On January 17 2014 12:14 sumsaR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 10:44 GettingIt wrote:On January 17 2014 10:41 EchOne wrote:On January 17 2014 10:13 Cmon wrote:On January 17 2014 07:04 Sentenal wrote:On January 17 2014 01:54 GettingIt wrote:
To be fair, Robins ability isnt good for 1v1's unless she is physically stronger than her opponent since shes just essentially creating a replica of her body. Can you imagine someone with a bunch of physical brute strength, such as Burgess, being able to wrap 20 of his arms around you. I wonder if the arms Robin makes with her devil fruit could use haki, that would be awesome. Robin has defeated tons of people who are physically stronger than her. She took out Pell with no problems what-so-ever, and defeated the Chief Enforcer at Skypeia. When she first dumpstered Pell, she said something along the lines of "strength and numbers don't mean much against her". she lost to zombie zoro because the zombie is too strong/something, right? Also because those zombies don't feel pain or receive injuries in the same way living people do. Strategies involving submission or breaking limbs won't affect them. I would love to see Robin with more combat power and climactic fight scenes, but I'm not holding my breath. What? Yes they do. She was able to snap a dozen of zombies necks before reaching the Zoro zombie. Wasn't it salt that took them down?
If she's strong enough, she can just broke the bone of zoro zombies, pain/not. Even Luffy zombies can't move that way, right?
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On January 17 2014 12:14 sumsaR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 10:44 GettingIt wrote:On January 17 2014 10:41 EchOne wrote:On January 17 2014 10:13 Cmon wrote:On January 17 2014 07:04 Sentenal wrote:On January 17 2014 01:54 GettingIt wrote:
To be fair, Robins ability isnt good for 1v1's unless she is physically stronger than her opponent since shes just essentially creating a replica of her body. Can you imagine someone with a bunch of physical brute strength, such as Burgess, being able to wrap 20 of his arms around you. I wonder if the arms Robin makes with her devil fruit could use haki, that would be awesome. Robin has defeated tons of people who are physically stronger than her. She took out Pell with no problems what-so-ever, and defeated the Chief Enforcer at Skypeia. When she first dumpstered Pell, she said something along the lines of "strength and numbers don't mean much against her". she lost to zombie zoro because the zombie is too strong/something, right? Also because those zombies don't feel pain or receive injuries in the same way living people do. Strategies involving submission or breaking limbs won't affect them. I would love to see Robin with more combat power and climactic fight scenes, but I'm not holding my breath. What? Yes they do. She was able to snap a dozen of zombies necks before reaching the Zoro zombie. Wasn't it salt that took them down?
No it was before Brook came in with the salt.
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On January 17 2014 08:23 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 05:21 PVJ wrote:On January 16 2014 04:41 Canucklehead wrote:On January 16 2014 04:16 sumsaR wrote:On January 16 2014 04:03 Canucklehead wrote:On January 16 2014 00:40 playnice wrote:Yes. But the translation is really off though. The part about her insisting DD breaking the alliance is like the complete opposite of the Chinese translation. Yes, I'm kind of confused about this page as doesn't it imply viola is still working for DD and planning to backstab the strawhats? No, he's just saying that it was she who insisted he should break the alliance (assumably) to spite King Riku (in essence how bad his daughter has become under Dofla's command). At the time she was on his side. It's only recently she switched. On January 16 2014 04:37 shark. wrote:
I took it as DD's way of saying Viola had betrayed him which would lead to him defeating the strawhats and by her betrayal this would be absolute. So as in the twisted way DD likes to spin things he saying that her betrayal means hes paying more attention and has a greater want to destroy the Alliance and that by her betrayal she almost wants him to crush them.
I'm finding it difficult to put into words, sorry. I just clicked on the page again to reread and the translation for the last part has been updated and corrected, so no more confusion! http://mangastream.com/r/one_piece/734/2212/18Original translation - "She's the one who insisted I break it!" New translation - "She's betting everything on it to defeat me!" This totally clears it up now as the two translations have complete opposite meanings. Thank god viola isn't a double double agent as that would break sanji's heart! People should get the idea now that mangastream, mangapanda are shit. Here's a translation which isn't rushed and makes things quite clear: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/218558/one-piece_ch734_by_powermanga2 things; 1) What's happening to Franky? Is he jumping back on his feet, or getting drowned by the swamp thing? 2) When was Cavendish exactly introduced? I'm just trying to put a timeframe on how far ahead does Oda has to plan, at least. Great chapter although a bit disappointing ending. Hey, Mangastream is good enough. Even though they tend to choose certain kind of juvenile phrasing from time to time. Franky is still being supplexed by the ground swimming guy. Cavendish was introduced shortly before the fighting tournament. Oda certainly plans way more ahead than that though. Its safe to say that all the events of this arc are already planned in detail. One of Odas more amazing pieces of foreshadowing was the mentioning of "Smile" on the Shabaody Archipelago before the timeskip. There are more cases like this that each have hundreds of chapters inbetween and still are absolutely seamless. The biggest sign of Odas planning though is the entire lack of contradictions. The biggest plothole One Piece has to date is the fact that Shanks lost his arm when Luffy was a kid. And it's been reported that Oda has laid out all the major plot points until the very end of the manga to a select few people in case he dies before he can complete it himself.
I'm curious as to how that's a plot hole? The anime has a few plot holes but the manga doesn't as far as I know. I think maybe one but I can't think about it. I've definitely seen Chopper eat two Rumbles in less than 6 hours in the anime before, before the Water 7 arc.
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On January 17 2014 16:28 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 08:23 Mataza wrote:On January 17 2014 05:21 PVJ wrote:On January 16 2014 04:41 Canucklehead wrote:On January 16 2014 04:16 sumsaR wrote:On January 16 2014 04:03 Canucklehead wrote:On January 16 2014 00:40 playnice wrote:Yes. But the translation is really off though. The part about her insisting DD breaking the alliance is like the complete opposite of the Chinese translation. Yes, I'm kind of confused about this page as doesn't it imply viola is still working for DD and planning to backstab the strawhats? No, he's just saying that it was she who insisted he should break the alliance (assumably) to spite King Riku (in essence how bad his daughter has become under Dofla's command). At the time she was on his side. It's only recently she switched. On January 16 2014 04:37 shark. wrote:
I took it as DD's way of saying Viola had betrayed him which would lead to him defeating the strawhats and by her betrayal this would be absolute. So as in the twisted way DD likes to spin things he saying that her betrayal means hes paying more attention and has a greater want to destroy the Alliance and that by her betrayal she almost wants him to crush them.
I'm finding it difficult to put into words, sorry. I just clicked on the page again to reread and the translation for the last part has been updated and corrected, so no more confusion! http://mangastream.com/r/one_piece/734/2212/18Original translation - "She's the one who insisted I break it!" New translation - "She's betting everything on it to defeat me!" This totally clears it up now as the two translations have complete opposite meanings. Thank god viola isn't a double double agent as that would break sanji's heart! People should get the idea now that mangastream, mangapanda are shit. Here's a translation which isn't rushed and makes things quite clear: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/218558/one-piece_ch734_by_powermanga2 things; 1) What's happening to Franky? Is he jumping back on his feet, or getting drowned by the swamp thing? 2) When was Cavendish exactly introduced? I'm just trying to put a timeframe on how far ahead does Oda has to plan, at least. Great chapter although a bit disappointing ending. Hey, Mangastream is good enough. Even though they tend to choose certain kind of juvenile phrasing from time to time. Franky is still being supplexed by the ground swimming guy. Cavendish was introduced shortly before the fighting tournament. Oda certainly plans way more ahead than that though. Its safe to say that all the events of this arc are already planned in detail. One of Odas more amazing pieces of foreshadowing was the mentioning of "Smile" on the Shabaody Archipelago before the timeskip. There are more cases like this that each have hundreds of chapters inbetween and still are absolutely seamless. The biggest sign of Odas planning though is the entire lack of contradictions. The biggest plothole One Piece has to date is the fact that Shanks lost his arm when Luffy was a kid. And it's been reported that Oda has laid out all the major plot points until the very end of the manga to a select few people in case he dies before he can complete it himself. I'm curious as to how that's a plot hole? The anime has a few plot holes but the manga doesn't as far as I know. I think maybe one but I can't think about it. I've definitely seen Chopper eat two Rumbles in less than 6 hours in the anime before, before the Water 7 arc.
its a plot hole because if luffy could blow the sea king away when he started hes journey, there is no way shanks would lose an arm
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On January 17 2014 17:08 DODswe4 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 16:28 Incognoto wrote:On January 17 2014 08:23 Mataza wrote:On January 17 2014 05:21 PVJ wrote:On January 16 2014 04:41 Canucklehead wrote:On January 16 2014 04:16 sumsaR wrote:On January 16 2014 04:03 Canucklehead wrote:On January 16 2014 00:40 playnice wrote:Yes. But the translation is really off though. The part about her insisting DD breaking the alliance is like the complete opposite of the Chinese translation. Yes, I'm kind of confused about this page as doesn't it imply viola is still working for DD and planning to backstab the strawhats? No, he's just saying that it was she who insisted he should break the alliance (assumably) to spite King Riku (in essence how bad his daughter has become under Dofla's command). At the time she was on his side. It's only recently she switched. On January 16 2014 04:37 shark. wrote:
I took it as DD's way of saying Viola had betrayed him which would lead to him defeating the strawhats and by her betrayal this would be absolute. So as in the twisted way DD likes to spin things he saying that her betrayal means hes paying more attention and has a greater want to destroy the Alliance and that by her betrayal she almost wants him to crush them.
I'm finding it difficult to put into words, sorry. I just clicked on the page again to reread and the translation for the last part has been updated and corrected, so no more confusion! http://mangastream.com/r/one_piece/734/2212/18Original translation - "She's the one who insisted I break it!" New translation - "She's betting everything on it to defeat me!" This totally clears it up now as the two translations have complete opposite meanings. Thank god viola isn't a double double agent as that would break sanji's heart! People should get the idea now that mangastream, mangapanda are shit. Here's a translation which isn't rushed and makes things quite clear: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/218558/one-piece_ch734_by_powermanga2 things; 1) What's happening to Franky? Is he jumping back on his feet, or getting drowned by the swamp thing? 2) When was Cavendish exactly introduced? I'm just trying to put a timeframe on how far ahead does Oda has to plan, at least. Great chapter although a bit disappointing ending. Hey, Mangastream is good enough. Even though they tend to choose certain kind of juvenile phrasing from time to time. Franky is still being supplexed by the ground swimming guy. Cavendish was introduced shortly before the fighting tournament. Oda certainly plans way more ahead than that though. Its safe to say that all the events of this arc are already planned in detail. One of Odas more amazing pieces of foreshadowing was the mentioning of "Smile" on the Shabaody Archipelago before the timeskip. There are more cases like this that each have hundreds of chapters inbetween and still are absolutely seamless. The biggest sign of Odas planning though is the entire lack of contradictions. The biggest plothole One Piece has to date is the fact that Shanks lost his arm when Luffy was a kid. And it's been reported that Oda has laid out all the major plot points until the very end of the manga to a select few people in case he dies before he can complete it himself. I'm curious as to how that's a plot hole? The anime has a few plot holes but the manga doesn't as far as I know. I think maybe one but I can't think about it. I've definitely seen Chopper eat two Rumbles in less than 6 hours in the anime before, before the Water 7 arc. its a plot hole because if luffy could blow the sea king away when he started hes journey, there is no way shanks would lose an arm
Yeah, it's considered a plot hole because of how strong Shanks turns out to be. We're not sure if he was a Yonko at the time, but he was definitely extremely powerful and was a dueling partner of Mihawk before he lost his arm. We also later learned that he was a master of Haki, so it'd be pretty surprising for a Sea King to sneak up on him like that.
We could write it off as an extraordinary Sea King, except that Luffy knocks it out with one punch on his way off the island. So really, it seems like a plot hole, but possibly the only major plothole in the entire manga.
As for last chapter, I was a little dissapointed in how the arena turned out. I guess all that theorizing not panning out was a letdown and Meadows just turned out to be a chump. At least Oda didn't randomly bring a whole new character in that we had no chance at guessing. He also found a way for Rebecca to move on, without her actually being out of place on the power scale. Finally, he showed why Cavendish has such a high bounty, despite Luffy easily being able to stop Cavendish's sword with his bare hands. I'm glad that Cavendish turned out to be more than just a chump, otherwise bounty inflation would get silly. So overall, the conclusion of block D made sense, even if Mr. Split personality kinda came out of nowhere unless you got the reference to Cavendish Square from Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde. It will be interesting to see when Hakuba comes out next.
edit: and yes, the Power Manga translation seems to be the best for clarity. Mangastream is pretty good and fast. Mangapanda is usually okay and it's the fastest, but sometimes can totally change the meaning of a sentence during translation which leads to a lot of confusion.
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Oda has come forth and explained that shanks losing his arm is his biggest regret of the series; but there is an explanation. In the early drafts of volume 1, shanks was not concieved and it was actually garp who lost his arm and gave luffy his strawhat. When garp was swapped for shanks and Oda grudingly left the arm-sacrifisr in there because the sacrifise had recived tons of critical acclaim from various editors for its dramatic impact wich was though to grant the debut of the series a powerful sentimental startoff wich would attract more readers, something oda needed for the series to be picked up by shounen jump. So he caved in and ironicly made a sacrifise himself by making shanks give up hhis arm. You could indeed say he made a bet on the next era 
Look up romance dawn v. 2 on one piece wikia
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On January 17 2014 05:39 Afmug wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 05:21 PVJ wrote:On January 16 2014 04:41 Canucklehead wrote:On January 16 2014 04:16 sumsaR wrote:On January 16 2014 04:03 Canucklehead wrote:On January 16 2014 00:40 playnice wrote:Yes. But the translation is really off though. The part about her insisting DD breaking the alliance is like the complete opposite of the Chinese translation. Yes, I'm kind of confused about this page as doesn't it imply viola is still working for DD and planning to backstab the strawhats? No, he's just saying that it was she who insisted he should break the alliance (assumably) to spite King Riku (in essence how bad his daughter has become under Dofla's command). At the time she was on his side. It's only recently she switched. On January 16 2014 04:37 shark. wrote:
I took it as DD's way of saying Viola had betrayed him which would lead to him defeating the strawhats and by her betrayal this would be absolute. So as in the twisted way DD likes to spin things he saying that her betrayal means hes paying more attention and has a greater want to destroy the Alliance and that by her betrayal she almost wants him to crush them.
I'm finding it difficult to put into words, sorry. I just clicked on the page again to reread and the translation for the last part has been updated and corrected, so no more confusion! http://mangastream.com/r/one_piece/734/2212/18Original translation - "She's the one who insisted I break it!" New translation - "She's betting everything on it to defeat me!" This totally clears it up now as the two translations have complete opposite meanings. Thank god viola isn't a double double agent as that would break sanji's heart! People should get the idea now that mangastream, mangapanda are shit. Here's a translation which isn't rushed and makes things quite clear: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/218558/one-piece_ch734_by_powermanga2 things; 1) What's happening to Franky? Is he jumping back on his feet, or getting drowned by the swamp thing? 2) When was Cavendish exactly introduced? I'm just trying to put a timeframe on how far ahead does Oda has to plan, at least. Great chapter although a bit disappointing ending. na i dont think its disappointing. im hyped for a palace raid. enies lobby style yo, best arc to the date!
Raid is okay but the setup was what disappointed me [literally the end of the ch., not its implications].They are there in those suits wondering what to do while we see skits of the others in action (Thanks for clarifying what happens w/ Franky!) and then suddenly Viola comes around and it's just that.
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The story of the dressrosa arc is explosive and compelling. Doflamingo is a great villain and sabos reveal and upcoming battle against burgess is super exciting. But the narrative structive has been all over the place and chaotic to say the least. My two cents is that Oda should have stuck to either dwarves or toys, having both is overkill imo and has split up the narrative into at least 6 parts (law, luffy, rebecca, sunny, toys anf dwarves) constantly Jumping all over the place and neither storyline recieving proper screentime to really feel developed or interesting.
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On January 17 2014 18:00 sc2holar wrote:
The story of the dressrosa arc is explosive and compelling. Doflamingo is a great villain and sabos reveal and upcoming battle against burgess is super exciting. But the narrative structive has been all over the place and chaotic to say the least. My two cents is that Oda should have stuck to either dwarves or toys, having both is overkill imo and has split up the narrative into at least 6 parts (law, luffy, rebecca, sunny, toys anf dwarves) constantly Jumping all over the place and neither storyline recieving proper screentime to really feel developed or interesting.
It's Alabasta all over again.
Although I suspect that that the subplots will decrease towards the end of the arc. At least I hope that the splitting up of the story doesn't increase as it did in Alabasta.
If you think about what we know of the architecture, everyone (except the people on the sunny) is basically advancing towards the same location: The palace/toyhouse/colosseum
I would say that Luffy will get stalled in some way in the palace, then we will see the harbour with Usopp, Robin, the dwarves and later Franky play out, then the fighting tournament will finish, leading Rebecca and whoever else matters through the toyhouse to the palace and when everyone else is finished we will have the Luffy/Law vs. Doflamingo fight as the big finish.
At least it would make the most sense to me to do it in that order.
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On January 17 2014 17:23 RenSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 17:08 DODswe4 wrote:On January 17 2014 16:28 Incognoto wrote:On January 17 2014 08:23 Mataza wrote:On January 17 2014 05:21 PVJ wrote:On January 16 2014 04:41 Canucklehead wrote:On January 16 2014 04:16 sumsaR wrote:On January 16 2014 04:03 Canucklehead wrote:On January 16 2014 00:40 playnice wrote:Yes. But the translation is really off though. The part about her insisting DD breaking the alliance is like the complete opposite of the Chinese translation. Yes, I'm kind of confused about this page as doesn't it imply viola is still working for DD and planning to backstab the strawhats? No, he's just saying that it was she who insisted he should break the alliance (assumably) to spite King Riku (in essence how bad his daughter has become under Dofla's command). At the time she was on his side. It's only recently she switched. On January 16 2014 04:37 shark. wrote:
I took it as DD's way of saying Viola had betrayed him which would lead to him defeating the strawhats and by her betrayal this would be absolute. So as in the twisted way DD likes to spin things he saying that her betrayal means hes paying more attention and has a greater want to destroy the Alliance and that by her betrayal she almost wants him to crush them.
I'm finding it difficult to put into words, sorry. I just clicked on the page again to reread and the translation for the last part has been updated and corrected, so no more confusion! http://mangastream.com/r/one_piece/734/2212/18Original translation - "She's the one who insisted I break it!" New translation - "She's betting everything on it to defeat me!" This totally clears it up now as the two translations have complete opposite meanings. Thank god viola isn't a double double agent as that would break sanji's heart! People should get the idea now that mangastream, mangapanda are shit. Here's a translation which isn't rushed and makes things quite clear: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/218558/one-piece_ch734_by_powermanga2 things; 1) What's happening to Franky? Is he jumping back on his feet, or getting drowned by the swamp thing? 2) When was Cavendish exactly introduced? I'm just trying to put a timeframe on how far ahead does Oda has to plan, at least. Great chapter although a bit disappointing ending. Hey, Mangastream is good enough. Even though they tend to choose certain kind of juvenile phrasing from time to time. Franky is still being supplexed by the ground swimming guy. Cavendish was introduced shortly before the fighting tournament. Oda certainly plans way more ahead than that though. Its safe to say that all the events of this arc are already planned in detail. One of Odas more amazing pieces of foreshadowing was the mentioning of "Smile" on the Shabaody Archipelago before the timeskip. There are more cases like this that each have hundreds of chapters inbetween and still are absolutely seamless. The biggest sign of Odas planning though is the entire lack of contradictions. The biggest plothole One Piece has to date is the fact that Shanks lost his arm when Luffy was a kid. And it's been reported that Oda has laid out all the major plot points until the very end of the manga to a select few people in case he dies before he can complete it himself. I'm curious as to how that's a plot hole? The anime has a few plot holes but the manga doesn't as far as I know. I think maybe one but I can't think about it. I've definitely seen Chopper eat two Rumbles in less than 6 hours in the anime before, before the Water 7 arc. its a plot hole because if luffy could blow the sea king away when he started hes journey, there is no way shanks would lose an arm Yeah, it's considered a plot hole because of how strong Shanks turns out to be. We're not sure if he was a Yonko at the time, but he was definitely extremely powerful and was a dueling partner of Mihawk before he lost his arm. We also later learned that he was a master of Haki, so it'd be pretty surprising for a Sea King to sneak up on him like that. We could write it off as an extraordinary Sea King, except that Luffy knocks it out with one punch on his way off the island. So really, it seems like a plot hole, but possibly the only major plothole in the entire manga. As for last chapter, I was a little dissapointed in how the arena turned out. I guess all that theorizing not panning out was a letdown and Meadows just turned out to be a chump. At least Oda didn't randomly bring a whole new character in that we had no chance at guessing. He also found a way for Rebecca to move on, without her actually being out of place on the power scale. Finally, he showed why Cavendish has such a high bounty, despite Luffy easily being able to stop Cavendish's sword with his bare hands. I'm glad that Cavendish turned out to be more than just a chump, otherwise bounty inflation would get silly. So overall, the conclusion of block D made sense, even if Mr. Split personality kinda came out of nowhere unless you got the reference to Cavendish Square from Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde. It will be interesting to see when Hakuba comes out next. edit: and yes, the Power Manga translation seems to be the best for clarity. Mangastream is pretty good and fast. Mangapanda is usually okay and it's the fastest, but sometimes can totally change the meaning of a sentence during translation which leads to a lot of confusion.
Ive seen this "plot hole" come up alot.
Is it not just possible that luffy was about to get munched by a sea king when shanks wasn't paying attention / was too far away that all he could do was throw himself in front of its mouth in time? I cant remember the specifics about the scenes from the manga / anime but it seems a logical explanation to me. Whenever we saw shanks in luffy's flashbacks he is just relaxing and having a good time so probably wasn't paying much attention to focusing his haki on threats.
We also can't know for sure how strong he was during that period, look at the growth in luffy in just 2 years wasn't the incident something like ~12-15 years before the present / pre-timeskip? He could have been many many times weaker then he is now. This is including mihawk too, considering the only solid proof we have of his strength is him being a sparring partner of mihawk.
Where is the information that states these two were badass 12 years ago? Afterall, him and buggy were probably comparable to the weakest members of the strawhat crew on rogers ship.
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