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Lysteria
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
France2280 Posts
December 13 2013 17:04 GMT
#11641
On December 14 2013 01:54 Incognoto wrote:
Croco D Ile eh? Nah I don't buy it.

That was the part I didn't like either, the thing with the "D" was kinda random. We don't need to link Crocodile to Luffy in any way. But the part with Crocodile as a woman, even if unlikely, is not impossible. He trully hates Ivankov, and we had some examples during Impel Down of people who hated him too, and they all had a sex change.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
December 13 2013 17:08 GMT
#11642
On December 14 2013 02:04 Lysteria wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2013 01:54 Incognoto wrote:
Croco D Ile eh? Nah I don't buy it.

That was the part I didn't like either, the thing with the "D" was kinda random. We don't need to link Crocodile to Luffy in any way. But the part with Crocodile as a woman, even if unlikely, is not impossible. He trully hates Ivankov, and we had some examples during Impel Down of people who hated him too, and they all had a sex change.

by people do you mean that one dude?
DODswe4
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden2157 Posts
December 13 2013 17:14 GMT
#11643
On December 14 2013 01:54 Incognoto wrote:
It's too preposterous so I don't buy it. The second reason I don't buy is that people have theories about it's automatically wrong because Oda never does things the way we think he will.

I guess.

Croco D Ile eh? Nah I don't buy it.

I dont think everyone with a d in their name is automaticly a D (I know you dont think its Croco D Ile)
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
December 13 2013 18:14 GMT
#11644
On December 14 2013 02:14 DODswe4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2013 01:54 Incognoto wrote:
It's too preposterous so I don't buy it. The second reason I don't buy is that people have theories about it's automatically wrong because Oda never does things the way we think he will.

I guess.

Croco D Ile eh? Nah I don't buy it.

I dont think everyone with a d in their name is automaticly a D (I know you dont think its Croco D Ile)

especially since Gold Roger is the only D where people have tried to hide it, everyone elses D is shown with pride right out there for everyone to see, Luffy's D is even right on the wanted poster (pretty sure) so its not like the WG is even trying to cover the D's up so if Croc had a D hed probably not hide it either, only whitebeard supposedly even understood the importance of D
shark.
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
593 Posts
December 13 2013 18:21 GMT
#11645
I'm pretty certain there have been multiple people throughout the story who understand the meaning of the D. I just reread the drum island arc and the old witch lady mentions the "D" as they leave. On a side note this reminds of when people said Whitebeard was Edwar D. Newgate. No one with a D in their is safe.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
December 13 2013 18:27 GMT
#11646
On December 14 2013 03:21 shark. wrote:
I'm pretty certain there have been multiple people throughout the story who understand the meaning of the D. I just reread the drum island arc and the old witch lady mentions the "D" as they leave. On a side note this reminds of when people said Whitebeard was Edwar D. Newgate. No one with a D in their is safe.

people may know about the "will of D" but im guessing only Roger and Whitebeard truly knew exactly what it means
shark.
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
593 Posts
December 13 2013 18:34 GMT
#11647
On December 14 2013 03:27 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2013 03:21 shark. wrote:
I'm pretty certain there have been multiple people throughout the story who understand the meaning of the D. I just reread the drum island arc and the old witch lady mentions the "D" as they leave. On a side note this reminds of when people said Whitebeard was Edwar D. Newgate. No one with a D in their is safe.

people may know about the "will of D" but im guessing only Roger and Whitebeard truly knew exactly what it means

Ofc people know about it but the Roger Pirates and people closely affiliated with the crew will know what it means. I highly doubt only Roger and WB know considering Rayleigh stated that "we know" in regards to Robins questions which I would bet highly on means the crew. This would mean that all the members of the crew are aware of the "Will of D" and the events of the void century though im pretty sure thats already been stated in the manga.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
December 13 2013 21:52 GMT
#11648
The "Crocodile is Luffy's mother" theory is absurd. Crocodile hated Whitebeard even more than Ivankov, and I'm fairly sure Whitebeard didn't give him a sex change. If it turns out to be sure, my brain is just going to melt.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8842 Posts
December 13 2013 21:53 GMT
#11649
law also seemed to know what the will of d was
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
December 13 2013 22:32 GMT
#11650
Well it's not like I believe the Crocodile is Luffy's mother story either my point was we know so little about Luffy's mother that almost any crazy theory is possible. I don't think Crocodile hates Ivankov for a reason besides Ivankov using Crocodile's secret weakness to keep him in line and I don't see how Whitebeard would be relevant to this thoery. Given how late it is in the series who knows if we'll ever see Luffy's mother. It would seem to make the most sense for her to be a yet revealed Revolutionary or dead.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-13 22:52:29
December 13 2013 22:51 GMT
#11651
The theory is primarily based on Crocodile hating Ivankov, and then "many" other people also hating Ivankov for changing their sex. But thats ridiculous since we have barely see anyone hate Iva for that (I think we only saw one?) AND we know that Crocodile also hates other people even more than Iva.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-13 23:30:56
December 13 2013 23:09 GMT
#11652
Why couldn't Crocodile just not want other people to know about his past and willingly changed his gender. A lot of people hate Ivankov for the forced gender changes, but not everyone did. The pirate that Ivankov demonstrated his abilities on had a father who wanted to become a woman.
http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2644-14/one-piece/chapter-537.html

Crocodile would just have his gender changed not his sex so there wouldn't be anything down below.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-14 04:04:52
December 14 2013 03:06 GMT
#11653
IMO the theory just isnt't crackpot enough. Lets make a better one.

Who is Luffy's Mother? I think the answer is obvious. Luffy's mother is none other than Monkey D. Dragon. Why? There are many pieces of evidence pointing to this. First off, Dragon is good friends with Ivankov. And we know that people have previously willingly asked him/her for a sex change. So of course, this happened with Dragon. Want further proof? It has been noted by many people that Dragon hasn't been much of a father to Luffy. Well, of course he hasn't been a father to Luffy. Thats because he isn't Luffy's father, hes his mother. Isn't it obvious? But with this question answered, who is Luffy's father? Well, people are always comparing Luffy to Gold Roger, right? That is because that Roger is Luffy's father... Which makes Luffy half brothers with Ace! Imagine the scene when Luffy finds out he is a blood related brother to Ace! Gold Roger was clearly a baller, so it is well within reason that he would have multiple women. And if Ace's mother, some no-name scrub can keep Ace in her belly for an insanely long time, imagine how long Dragon could do for Luffy. That is why there is an age difference.

But what about Crocodile? Why can't he be a woman too? Well, sure, why not, but he isn't Luffy's mother, that is just silly. Hes Smoker's sister. They both were young when they saw Roger's execution at Loguetown, and both have a love for big ass cigars and being Logias. Clearly they are blood related. And Crocodile loved being a cute little sister, until Ivankov changed her sex to a man. The change broke little Crocodile-chan's heart, and turned him into the cruel person he is today. The scar on his face is a reminder to never forget.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
December 14 2013 04:23 GMT
#11654
So after watching the Arabasta Arc again it blew my mind when Luffy and Zoro fell down some random hole and stumbled upon a Ponegylph. Since Robin already admitted that the Ponegylph at the Arabasta catacombs contains the location of the ancient weapon, I wonder what information the one Luffy and Zoro found contains and if it will ever be brought up again (knowing Oda it probably will).
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
December 14 2013 04:30 GMT
#11655
On December 14 2013 12:06 Sentenal wrote:
IMO the theory just isnt't crackpot enough. Lets make a better one.

Who is Luffy's Mother? I think the answer is obvious. Luffy's mother is none other than Monkey D. Dragon. Why? There are many pieces of evidence pointing to this. First off, Dragon is good friends with Ivankov. And we know that people have previously willingly asked him/her for a sex change. So of course, this happened with Dragon. Want further proof? It has been noted by many people that Dragon hasn't been much of a father to Luffy. Well, of course he hasn't been a father to Luffy. Thats because he isn't Luffy's father, hes his mother. Isn't it obvious? But with this question answered, who is Luffy's father? Well, people are always comparing Luffy to Gold Roger, right? That is because that Roger is Luffy's father... Which makes Luffy half brothers with Ace! Imagine the scene when Luffy finds out he is a blood related brother to Ace! Gold Roger was clearly a baller, so it is well within reason that he would have multiple women. And if Ace's mother, some no-name scrub can keep Ace in her belly for an insanely long time, imagine how long Dragon could do for Luffy. That is why there is an age difference.

But what about Crocodile? Why can't he be a woman too? Well, sure, why not, but he isn't Luffy's mother, that is just silly. Hes Smoker's sister. They both were young when they saw Roger's execution at Loguetown, and both have a love for big ass cigars and being Logias. Clearly they are blood related. And Crocodile loved being a cute little sister, until Ivankov changed her sex to a man. The change broke little Crocodile-chan's heart, and turned him into the cruel person he is today. The scar on his face is a reminder to never forget.

Dragon is obviously Luffys father....

and his mother, he stored some sperm from when he was a man and impregnated himself using Iva's powers
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
December 14 2013 04:33 GMT
#11656
That's impossible, Dragon has never been a father to Luffy. Roger has an excuse because dead.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
December 14 2013 04:36 GMT
#11657
Sentenal, you are forgetting the biggest proof. Oda never said Dragon wasn't Luffy's mother. Case closed.
"Because I know this promise that won’t disappear will turn even a cause of tears into strength. You taught me that if I can believe, there is nothing that cannot come true." - Nana Mizuki (Yakusoku) 17:36 ils kaze got me into nana 17:36 ils by his blog
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
December 14 2013 04:37 GMT
#11658
On December 14 2013 13:33 Sentenal wrote:
That's impossible, Dragon has never been a father to Luffy. Roger has an excuse because dead.

what if that big bandit chick is dragon in woman form?
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
December 14 2013 05:24 GMT
#11659
On December 14 2013 13:36 KazeHydra wrote:
Sentenal, you are forgetting the biggest proof. Oda never said Dragon wasn't Luffy's mother. Case closed.

Oh yeah, I forgot. That is even more evidence, thanks! And plus, even if Oda did say that Dragon wasn't Luffy's mother, Oda is wrong, so either way, the theory has to be true.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
December 14 2013 06:46 GMT
#11660
On December 14 2013 13:23 GettingIt wrote:
So after watching the Arabasta Arc again it blew my mind when Luffy and Zoro fell down some random hole and stumbled upon a Ponegylph. Since Robin already admitted that the Ponegylph at the Arabasta catacombs contains the location of the ancient weapon, I wonder what information the one Luffy and Zoro found contains and if it will ever be brought up again (knowing Oda it probably will).

IIRC that episode was anime-only content, so it may not be canon.
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