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On November 16 2013 21:58 sumsaR wrote:
That's the thing though, his subordinates are willing to give their lives up for his, but he's not willing to do the same (going by the information we've gotten so far). And he readily accepts/asks his crew to give their lives up at his whim. Those are not qualities Luffy would appreciate. Especially the 'please die for our cause even though it makes me a little sad that you have to die' thing.
I never said Dofla is an angel. Just wanted to point out that he's much different from other Captains who have, in the past, shown to be inconsiderate towards their crew. No one is really on par with Luffy in terms of being there for his crew except perhaps Whitebeard (probably Shanks though we've never seen it).
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On November 16 2013 21:58 sumsaR wrote:
That's the thing though, his subordinates are willing to give their lives up for his, but he's not willing to do the same (going by the information we've gotten so far). And he readily accepts/asks his crew to give their lives up at his whim. Those are not qualities Luffy would appreciate. Especially the 'please die for our cause even though it makes me a little sad that you have to die' thing.
why would he die to save to a random member of his crew? he was willing to go in person to punk hazard which is as far as a lleader can really go
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On November 16 2013 23:48 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 21:58 sumsaR wrote:
That's the thing though, his subordinates are willing to give their lives up for his, but he's not willing to do the same (going by the information we've gotten so far). And he readily accepts/asks his crew to give their lives up at his whim. Those are not qualities Luffy would appreciate. Especially the 'please die for our cause even though it makes me a little sad that you have to die' thing. why would he die to save to a random member of his crew? he was willing to go in person to punk hazard which is as far as a lleader can really go
The patented "Forik Point Miss". Well done demonstrating it for us.
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On November 16 2013 23:51 sumsaR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2013 23:48 Forikorder wrote:On November 16 2013 21:58 sumsaR wrote:
That's the thing though, his subordinates are willing to give their lives up for his, but he's not willing to do the same (going by the information we've gotten so far). And he readily accepts/asks his crew to give their lives up at his whim. Those are not qualities Luffy would appreciate. Especially the 'please die for our cause even though it makes me a little sad that you have to die' thing. why would he die to save to a random member of his crew? he was willing to go in person to punk hazard which is as far as a lleader can really go The patented "Forik Point Miss". Well done demonstrating it for us.
at this point in time he has done everything to risk his life aside from sacrificing himself to save a crewmate
hes already more then demonstrated his willingness to get his own hands dirty time and time again so since all of that hasnt been enough to demonstrate his willingness to die then i cant imagine what more he could ahve done
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Sure. He's gotten his hands dirty to salvage his investment in SAD (i.e. Ceasar). Had Ceasar not been the only one who could make him more SAD though? Who knows. Probably not. He disgarded Monet as necessary collateral damage. "You have to die in the process of making all these other people die."
You argue that Dofla has demonstrated a willingness to die for someone else. Getting your hands dirty is not willingness to die if you're not in danger of dying.
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DD chose to save the art lady from law than kill the strawhats. He got angry when he found buffalo and baby5 without their bodies plus he put up with baby5 shooting him multiple times and didn't even break his smile. He definitely cares about his crew and his crew care about him. That is certain. He knows that his crew are willing to die for him at any point if he told them to which shows just how loyal they are to him and his dream. Its similar to Zoro taking luffys pain so that luffy could carry on his journey. Monet was going to do it because she was happy to die for his dream.
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And I'm not disagreeing. I'm just saying that he still readily allows, and in the case of Monet requests, his crew to die for him/his cause/to kill their opponents. Such a thing is what still makes him "the bad guy" (and what would make Luffy pissed as hell — sacrificing your own nakama, no matter if they want to or not).
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Maybe he requested it because he knew Monet would die for him in this situation anyway, to make her happy one last time, we don't know.
You can't really just compare DD with Luffy, they have their own ways of dealing with their nakamas, and with a little twisted logic, you can even say DD understand more his crew. The fact Luffy's crew will never die makes his recklessness towards them a bit easy sometimes.
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There's only one way to settle this:
Poll: Will a Straw Hat die before the end of the manga?Yes, near the end, and it's going to be horrible (13) 68% NEVAR LUL (6) 32% 19 total votes Your vote: Will a Straw Hat die before the end of the manga? (Vote): Yes, near the end, and it's going to be horrible
(Vote): NEVAR LUL
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if one died, above two would be surprising though. I'm talking about probably the end where you have the huge war of the world. Pretty sure that whoever dies (could be Luffy really) will fulfill his or her dream first though.
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The only one I can see dying is Luffy himself, if he's considered a Strawhat, I'll vote yes. 
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Of course he's a Straw Hat.
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I could defiantly see a straw hat dieing. I can imagine pretty much any of zoro, sanji or ussop dieing tbh. If a strawhat dies it's gonna be one of the founders from east blue though imo.
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i dont see usopp dying. he just has too much luck, i mean the fact that hes survived till now is pretty indicative of his immortality
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On November 17 2013 02:28 evilfatsh1t wrote:
i dont see usopp dying. he just has too much luck, i mean the fact that hes survived till now is pretty indicative of his immortality
lolol
true
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On November 17 2013 02:28 evilfatsh1t wrote:
i dont see usopp dying. he just has too much luck, i mean the fact that hes survived till now is pretty indicative of his immortality
Ah hahah, you spoke the truth.
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He lost his memory of his grandchildren after they were turned into toys like all the citizens who can't remember their lovers/fathers/sons although they still accompany them as toys.
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And in turn the king confirmed that he had forgotten about someone 10 years ago (the toy soldier being his son).
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Ah that scene makes a lot more sense now that I think about it.
Basically anyone who becomes a toy is forgotten. Pretty sick.
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I actually have kinda correct my statement, because at this point we don't know if it's a side effect of being turned into a toy or if there is a dedicated "memory loss" user.
It seems like everyone forgets about the people turned into toys but some toys keep their memories like toysoldier and some lose it.
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