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On March 20 2013 03:46 BurningSera wrote: I feel like zoro/samurai dude was distracted so they won't be helping luffy at the Colosseum. Dude, Zoro just got lost, as usual :D
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Zoro with the fire fruit... ahhh so OPA.
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On March 20 2013 07:00 GettingIt wrote: Why are people saying the Blind Guy is a confirmed admiral?
I'm really curious whether Luffy will want the fruit because its Ace's Fruit and he wants to treasure it as a memory or whether he wants the fruit to keep anyone else from getting it. I think it´s the second one, Luffy would be furious if a brutal pirate "defiled" Ace´s memory using that fruit.
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I still don't see why luffy should care who gets it. But maybe I just don't see the devil fruit as an item. To explain, compare df to a sword or amulet that belonged to or held great value to a person you knew you wouldn't want some random punk having it. But devilfruits are just powerboosters in my eyes, I don't really see how you can be sentimental about it without going overboard with the idea and wanting to hogg-control them forever.
The difference between df and items that hold personal value is that items generally have a story to them, something that gave them the sentimental value. Example: This item have been in my family for generations. My great grandfather crafted this item. Or I carried this item through my adventures and I want to pass it on to someone else.
Df's: I accidentally stumbled upon this fruit that gave me a usefull power, cool and lucky me.
They have a lot of personal value but not any passing-on value because they reappear randomly and you have no way to ensure you will get it. So why care at all, even if it appears in front of you. The legacy would still be lost with the next guy and the prospect of that inevitable loss of the line removes it's value as a passing on item. What if it hadn't appeared in front of you but had gone to some douche on the other side of the sea. Would you track him down and slay him just so you can hogg and control the passing on of that fruit. If you only react when it's under your nose then why care at all instead of just looking away. Luffy doesn't seem like the person who would care who got his fruit when he dies. Nor does he seem like the selfish type of guy who would want to hog the line of a fruit (that should be anyone's by right of chance) because his brother once had it.
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Oh snap, shit's gonna get real in a moment!! :O going to be a huge-ass battle maybe :O
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On March 20 2013 09:21 risk.nuke wrote: I still don't see why luffy should care who gets it. But maybe I just don't see the devil fruit as an item. To explain, compare df to a sword or amulet that belonged to or held great value to a person you knew you wouldn't want some random punk having it. But devilfruits are just powerboosters in my eyes, I don't really see how you can be sentimental about it without going overboard with the idea and wanting to hogg-control them forever.
The difference between df and items that hold personal value is that items generally have a story to them, something that gave them the sentimental value. Example: This item have been in my family for generations. My great grandfather crafted this item. Or I carried this item through my adventures and I want to pass it on to someone else.
Df's: I accidentally stumbled upon this fruit that gave me a usefull power, cool and lucky me.
They have a lot of personal value but not any passing-on value because they reappear randomly and you have no way to ensure you will get it. So why care at all, even if it appears in front of you. The legacy would still be lost with the next guy and the prospect of that inevitable loss of the line removes it's value as a passing on item. What if it hadn't appeared in front of you but had gone to some douche on the other side of the sea. Would you track him down and slay him just so you can hogg and control the passing on of that fruit. If you only react when it's under your nose then why care at all instead of just looking away. Luffy doesn't seem like the person who would care who got his fruit when he dies. Nor does he seem like the selfish type of guy who would want to hog the line of a fruit (that should be anyone's by right of chance) because his brother once had it.
Well to follow the One Piece story you are going to have to change your point of view. The DF does have the sentimental value you describe for items. Zoro's sword is the prize of the Wano Country because of the Samurai who have weld it and the feats it accomplished in their hands. Much in the same way the DF was Ace's weapon and he became a legend using its power hence they called him Fire Fist. Whenever someone thought of Ace the thought of fire. The Colosseum announcer even used the fact that Ace was the previous owner to market the DF as a valuable item. You may not agree with it, but thats just how Oda designed the fruit to be. Not a random power booster, but an item/weapon that become tied to their owners.
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On March 20 2013 10:38 GettingIt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:21 risk.nuke wrote: I still don't see why luffy should care who gets it. But maybe I just don't see the devil fruit as an item. To explain, compare df to a sword or amulet that belonged to or held great value to a person you knew you wouldn't want some random punk having it. But devilfruits are just powerboosters in my eyes, I don't really see how you can be sentimental about it without going overboard with the idea and wanting to hogg-control them forever.
The difference between df and items that hold personal value is that items generally have a story to them, something that gave them the sentimental value. Example: This item have been in my family for generations. My great grandfather crafted this item. Or I carried this item through my adventures and I want to pass it on to someone else.
Df's: I accidentally stumbled upon this fruit that gave me a usefull power, cool and lucky me.
They have a lot of personal value but not any passing-on value because they reappear randomly and you have no way to ensure you will get it. So why care at all, even if it appears in front of you. The legacy would still be lost with the next guy and the prospect of that inevitable loss of the line removes it's value as a passing on item. What if it hadn't appeared in front of you but had gone to some douche on the other side of the sea. Would you track him down and slay him just so you can hogg and control the passing on of that fruit. If you only react when it's under your nose then why care at all instead of just looking away. Luffy doesn't seem like the person who would care who got his fruit when he dies. Nor does he seem like the selfish type of guy who would want to hog the line of a fruit (that should be anyone's by right of chance) because his brother once had it. Well to follow the One Piece story you are going to have to change your point of view. The DF does have the sentimental value you describe for items. Zoro's sword is the prize of the Wano Country because of the Samurai who have weld it and the feats it accomplished in their hands. Much in the same way the DF was Ace's weapon and he became a legend using its power hence they called him Fire Fist. Whenever someone thought of Ace the thought of fire. The Colosseum announcer even used the fact that Ace was the previous owner to market the DF as a valuable item. You may not agree with it, but thats just how Oda designed the fruit to be. Not a random power booster, but an item/weapon that become tied to their owners. I kind of see it as Devil Fruits choosing their own master. If you pay close attention, many character's personalities or even physical traits are accentuated by their power. For example: Caribou is scum and fights dirty, his fruit is the swamp fruit. Or Aokiji is very chill and doesn't like to move, his fruit is the ice fruit. For Zoans: Jyabura is like the big bad wolf and likes to play tricks, and Lucci is a leopard, or a trained killer with no remorse. The most obvious example for Paramecia is luffy and his carefree attitude. Anyways, many of these personalities or body types did not simply happen after the person ate his fruit. Luffy was always carefree, Kaku always had a long square nose, and Blackbeard was always shady. So it's no coincidence that they were matched up with these fruits by some kind of force. Since Ace's fruit was drawn to him, it's like an extension of his personality. Luffy lost his brother in the most traumatic way possible and it's not surprising he would want something that was a part of Ace. It's also why I don't think anyone will eat the fruit any time soon. Partly because Luffy would not allow it and partly because the fruit (presumably) has to choose its own master.
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On March 21 2013 00:37 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 10:38 GettingIt wrote:On March 20 2013 09:21 risk.nuke wrote: I still don't see why luffy should care who gets it. But maybe I just don't see the devil fruit as an item. To explain, compare df to a sword or amulet that belonged to or held great value to a person you knew you wouldn't want some random punk having it. But devilfruits are just powerboosters in my eyes, I don't really see how you can be sentimental about it without going overboard with the idea and wanting to hogg-control them forever.
The difference between df and items that hold personal value is that items generally have a story to them, something that gave them the sentimental value. Example: This item have been in my family for generations. My great grandfather crafted this item. Or I carried this item through my adventures and I want to pass it on to someone else.
Df's: I accidentally stumbled upon this fruit that gave me a usefull power, cool and lucky me.
They have a lot of personal value but not any passing-on value because they reappear randomly and you have no way to ensure you will get it. So why care at all, even if it appears in front of you. The legacy would still be lost with the next guy and the prospect of that inevitable loss of the line removes it's value as a passing on item. What if it hadn't appeared in front of you but had gone to some douche on the other side of the sea. Would you track him down and slay him just so you can hogg and control the passing on of that fruit. If you only react when it's under your nose then why care at all instead of just looking away. Luffy doesn't seem like the person who would care who got his fruit when he dies. Nor does he seem like the selfish type of guy who would want to hog the line of a fruit (that should be anyone's by right of chance) because his brother once had it. Well to follow the One Piece story you are going to have to change your point of view. The DF does have the sentimental value you describe for items. Zoro's sword is the prize of the Wano Country because of the Samurai who have weld it and the feats it accomplished in their hands. Much in the same way the DF was Ace's weapon and he became a legend using its power hence they called him Fire Fist. Whenever someone thought of Ace the thought of fire. The Colosseum announcer even used the fact that Ace was the previous owner to market the DF as a valuable item. You may not agree with it, but thats just how Oda designed the fruit to be. Not a random power booster, but an item/weapon that become tied to their owners. I kind of see it as Devil Fruits choosing their own master. If you pay close attention, many character's personalities or even physical traits are accentuated by their power. For example: Caribou is scum and fights dirty, his fruit is the swamp fruit. Or Aokiji is very chill and doesn't like to move, his fruit is the ice fruit. For Zoans: Jyabura is like the big bad wolf and likes to play tricks, and Lucci is a leopard, or a trained killer with no remorse. The most obvious example for Paramecia is luffy and his carefree attitude. Anyways, many of these personalities or body types did not simply happen after the person ate his fruit. Luffy was always carefree, Kaku always had a long square nose, and Blackbeard was always shady. So it's no coincidence that they were matched up with these fruits by some kind of force. Since Ace's fruit was drawn to him, it's like an extension of his personality. Luffy lost his brother in the most traumatic way possible and it's not surprising he would want something that was a part of Ace. It's also why I don't think anyone will eat the fruit any time soon. Partly because Luffy would not allow it and partly because the fruit (presumably) has to choose its own master.
I dont think Oda will write that the fruits 'choose' their master, but I do like how he uses the fruits' abilities to accentuate a persons character, like you mentioned (and is obviously intended). Ofcourse it didnt 'just happen', I mean Oda made it so. But when going inside the story, ignoring the outside, it did 'just happen', and I dont believe in some kind of internal mechanism that makes it so, atleast until Oda writes otherwise. Perhaps you didnt intend it the way I wrote it either, and in that case, ignore this paragraph.
Anyhow, I kind of hope Luffy doesnt give a damn about the fruit, to show that he has gotten over Aces' death, has matured, and wont be putting his crews' life in danger just for the fruit. But it's totally possible it will go like you said, and luffy will make sort of a big deal about it.
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On March 21 2013 00:37 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 10:38 GettingIt wrote:On March 20 2013 09:21 risk.nuke wrote: I still don't see why luffy should care who gets it. But maybe I just don't see the devil fruit as an item. To explain, compare df to a sword or amulet that belonged to or held great value to a person you knew you wouldn't want some random punk having it. But devilfruits are just powerboosters in my eyes, I don't really see how you can be sentimental about it without going overboard with the idea and wanting to hogg-control them forever.
The difference between df and items that hold personal value is that items generally have a story to them, something that gave them the sentimental value. Example: This item have been in my family for generations. My great grandfather crafted this item. Or I carried this item through my adventures and I want to pass it on to someone else.
Df's: I accidentally stumbled upon this fruit that gave me a usefull power, cool and lucky me.
They have a lot of personal value but not any passing-on value because they reappear randomly and you have no way to ensure you will get it. So why care at all, even if it appears in front of you. The legacy would still be lost with the next guy and the prospect of that inevitable loss of the line removes it's value as a passing on item. What if it hadn't appeared in front of you but had gone to some douche on the other side of the sea. Would you track him down and slay him just so you can hogg and control the passing on of that fruit. If you only react when it's under your nose then why care at all instead of just looking away. Luffy doesn't seem like the person who would care who got his fruit when he dies. Nor does he seem like the selfish type of guy who would want to hog the line of a fruit (that should be anyone's by right of chance) because his brother once had it. Well to follow the One Piece story you are going to have to change your point of view. The DF does have the sentimental value you describe for items. Zoro's sword is the prize of the Wano Country because of the Samurai who have weld it and the feats it accomplished in their hands. Much in the same way the DF was Ace's weapon and he became a legend using its power hence they called him Fire Fist. Whenever someone thought of Ace the thought of fire. The Colosseum announcer even used the fact that Ace was the previous owner to market the DF as a valuable item. You may not agree with it, but thats just how Oda designed the fruit to be. Not a random power booster, but an item/weapon that become tied to their owners. I kind of see it as Devil Fruits choosing their own master. If you pay close attention, many character's personalities or even physical traits are accentuated by their power. For example: Caribou is scum and fights dirty, his fruit is the swamp fruit. Or Aokiji is very chill and doesn't like to move, his fruit is the ice fruit. For Zoans: Jyabura is like the big bad wolf and likes to play tricks, and Lucci is a leopard, or a trained killer with no remorse. The most obvious example for Paramecia is luffy and his carefree attitude. Anyways, many of these personalities or body types did not simply happen after the person ate his fruit. Luffy was always carefree, Kaku always had a long square nose, and Blackbeard was always shady. So it's no coincidence that they were matched up with these fruits by some kind of force. Since Ace's fruit was drawn to him, it's like an extension of his personality. Luffy lost his brother in the most traumatic way possible and it's not surprising he would want something that was a part of Ace. It's also why I don't think anyone will eat the fruit any time soon. Partly because Luffy would not allow it and partly because the fruit (presumably) has to choose its own master.
Thats quite a nice observation! I too think that the DF and the Person who eats it are connected and it is destiny that the pairings happen the way they do. As far as I remember, Black Beard was looking for this exact fruit (his darkness fruit) for a long time. So I guess it works both ways. To further strenghten your point: Buggy's DF also reflects the theme the whole character was built around: The Circus-Theme, where, of course, magicians can be found. One of this stereotypical circus-things is a magician who cuts someone in half. Ergo Buggy is the only one who is fit for his DF.
Regarding the DF chooses who is the rightful owner of it's power: Maybe the Fairies stealing this exact sword is also destiny which will lead Zorro in the Arena to compete? Zorro mentioning fire-cutting during the Punk-Hazard arc also points in this direction, even though it is a little different. If he ends up with the DF, it has to be his sword since Zorro needs to be able to swim to rescue Ruffy over and over again :D
I also wonder how objects can obtain DF-powers, since the owner has to "eat" it. Do you put the object and the DF into a box and wait for the wonders of Chemistry to happen (Diffusion etc.)? I know, there are so many impossible things going on that this shouldn't be a concern at all, but i still want to know.
Another thing: Kinemon sees Zorro's sword as the "National Treasure of Wano Counrty". This sword could be seen as a reflection of all the Samurai with their power to cut fire and stuff. In this case, it might be a logical consequence that the sword will be the next rightful owner of the Mera Mera No Mi.
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What if the blind guy is someone from Roger's crew. Ever since the dark king was introduced as an powerful old guy that's how I see them
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I don`t really know about that blind guy being an admiral. next ep`s will be epic.
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why does he call the dark king? He doesn't have a fruit ability and he's not a black guy.
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On March 21 2013 02:18 rei wrote: why does he call the dark king? He doesn't have a fruit ability and he's not a black guy.
had the same question in mind. i think oda will explain it someday.
@blind guy: there has to be a reason, why he dont think that it would be a good idea to tell luffy who he is. So we can assume he knows who luffy is..
if he is an admiral, he clearly has not luffy as his target. but that would be strange and differe from other admirals. they seem more like, "first shoot, than ask". this guy seems more like "first observ, than shoot"
so again, i think his target is the mera mera no me. or he wants to find out whats the reason behind Dolflamingos moves.
about what will happen with the mera mera, i think oda will supprise us. (hope so)
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On March 21 2013 06:16 Dattish wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 02:18 rei wrote: why does he call the dark king? He doesn't have a fruit ability and he's not a black guy. he's the king in the pirate kings shadow. a "dark" king
I always thought he had his nick name because he was a master of haki and would turn his sword dark or himself but your makes way more sense
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Another theory is that it's from his past before he was a pirate. Sort of like how Zoro is known as the pirate hunter.
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On March 21 2013 02:28 Garalor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 02:18 rei wrote: why does he call the dark king? He doesn't have a fruit ability and he's not a black guy. had the same question in mind. i think oda will explain it someday. @blind guy: there has to be a reason, why he dont think that it would be a good idea to tell luffy who he is. So we can assume he knows who luffy is.. if he is an admiral, he clearly has not luffy as his target. but that would be strange and differe from other admirals. they seem more like, "first shoot, than ask". this guy seems more like "first observ, than shoot" so again, i think his target is the mera mera no me. or he wants to find out whats the reason behind Dolflamingos moves. about what will happen with the mera mera, i think oda will supprise us. (hope so)
The blind guy is probably the new admiral with Dofla as target. And what a better place to find Dofla than in the big tournament he is currently organizing ?
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Does anyone else think that the blind dude resemble Admiral Kisaru very much? They might be related. Kizaru´s related to Sentomaru (the one with the huge axe, commanding the human weapons) so this might be another relative.
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On March 21 2013 09:12 Forumite wrote: Does anyone else think that the blind dude resemble Admiral Kisaru very much? They might be related. Kizaru´s related to Sentomaru (the one with the huge axe, commanding the human weapons) so this might be another relative. could be his father, it fits hes connected enough to the marines to send them the bill but not so connected he has to take out pirates he chances upon
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