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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
December 04 2023 19:41 GMT
#32961
The inflation could be the WG wanting to crack down harder on pirates by upping the rewards because they are starting to get nervous about the emergence of figures like Luffy and the worst generation.
Never Knows Best.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 05 2023 04:08 GMT
#32962
I mean, Rodger had a massive bounty 20 years ago. Kuma's bounty doesn't irk me. Most of his feats are things the WG really doesn't care about. Some podunck kingdom not even in the Grand Line? They probably sent a Rear Admiral if King whatshisface was lucky. Luffy's bounty has always seemed the comically low one, although we don't know what Kidd and Law actually did pre-Sabody.
Freeeeeeedom
Nirli
Profile Joined February 2023
Bulgaria387 Posts
December 05 2023 06:34 GMT
#32963
Yeah but we learned what Roger's bounty is in chapter 957 while Kuma's was shown in 243 or something.
Also, the WG had possession of the Paw Paw fruit so for sure they knew that it's really powerful. Tbh, we probably still haven't seen its full potential.
Again, we can play the "they didn't want to shed too much light on how strong Kuma was" card.
I guess my underlying point is Oda is making stuff as he goes way more than people think. But it's not as bullshit as Kubo ofc.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18760 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-12-05 07:08:49
December 05 2023 07:08 GMT
#32964
On December 05 2023 15:34 Nirli wrote:
Yeah but we learned what Roger's bounty is in chapter 957 while Kuma's was shown in 243 or something.
Also, the WG had possession of the Paw Paw fruit so for sure they knew that it's really powerful. Tbh, we probably still haven't seen its full potential.
Again, we can play the "they didn't want to shed too much light on how strong Kuma was" card.
I guess my underlying point is Oda is making stuff as he goes way more than people think. But it's not as bullshit as Kubo ofc.


Kuma having a weird reason for changing allegiance is almost as old as One Piece? Why do you think he is making stuff up along the way? Kuma was introduced the same time Doflamingo was, we all knew they are both really strong
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 05 2023 07:16 GMT
#32965
On December 05 2023 15:34 Nirli wrote:
Yeah but we learned what Roger's bounty is in chapter 957 while Kuma's was shown in 243 or something.
Also, the WG had possession of the Paw Paw fruit so for sure they knew that it's really powerful. Tbh, we probably still haven't seen its full potential.
Again, we can play the "they didn't want to shed too much light on how strong Kuma was" card.
I guess my underlying point is Oda is making stuff as he goes way more than people think. But it's not as bullshit as Kubo ofc.


We learned Kuma's just now. He has a low bounty because he's a bit player in what they consider a bit game. If he comes back at 100% and is going to be a commander for Dragon again, his bounty will be around Luffy post Whole Cake Levels.
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Nirli
Profile Joined February 2023
Bulgaria387 Posts
December 05 2023 10:02 GMT
#32966
On December 05 2023 16:08 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2023 15:34 Nirli wrote:
Yeah but we learned what Roger's bounty is in chapter 957 while Kuma's was shown in 243 or something.
Also, the WG had possession of the Paw Paw fruit so for sure they knew that it's really powerful. Tbh, we probably still haven't seen its full potential.
Again, we can play the "they didn't want to shed too much light on how strong Kuma was" card.
I guess my underlying point is Oda is making stuff as he goes way more than people think. But it's not as bullshit as Kubo ofc.


Kuma having a weird reason for changing allegiance is almost as old as One Piece? Why do you think he is making stuff up along the way? Kuma was introduced the same time Doflamingo was, we all knew they are both really strong


I was still referring to the bounties thing.

It's obvious Kuma had an agenda from the fact that he basically helped the SHs by throwing them all over and consequently when he was guarding the Sunny.

ClutZ, his bounty was revealed way back, when they introducted him, so my argument stands.
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2554 Posts
December 05 2023 20:54 GMT
#32967
We learned Kuma's bounty in chapter 234, which was one chapter after Luffy 1 Hit KO'd Bellamy and his bounty was revealed to be 100 Million. At the time, this was meant to be a shocking revelation. Luffy's bounty was 30 Million since his battle with Arlong and after a fight with a big shot like Crocodile (with a former bounty of 81 Million), the 100 Million number was huge by comparison. Now, two more Shichibukai are introduced: Doflamingo and Kuma, and they're given massive bounties by comparison, roughly 300 Million each. This was very shocking at the time since up until that point, 100 Million was the highest bounty we ever saw and now there's two more dudes that completely outclass Luffy.

Do you get where I'm going with this? Stop thinking about bounties logically. They are there to hype up characters. They're not supposed to make any sense.
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CHEONSOYUN
Profile Joined August 2017
623 Posts
December 06 2023 04:39 GMT
#32968
On December 06 2023 05:54 Hyperbola wrote:
We learned Kuma's bounty in chapter 234, which was one chapter after Luffy 1 Hit KO'd Bellamy and his bounty was revealed to be 100 Million. At the time, this was meant to be a shocking revelation. Luffy's bounty was 30 Million since his battle with Arlong and after a fight with a big shot like Crocodile (with a former bounty of 81 Million), the 100 Million number was huge by comparison. Now, two more Shichibukai are introduced: Doflamingo and Kuma, and they're given massive bounties by comparison, roughly 300 Million each. This was very shocking at the time since up until that point, 100 Million was the highest bounty we ever saw and now there's two more dudes that completely outclass Luffy.

Do you get where I'm going with this? Stop thinking about bounties logically. They are there to hype up characters. They're not supposed to make any sense.


yeup. bounties are less of an in-world thing and more of a dbz "power level" thing where the numbers escalate as the story escalates.

"big number!" is pretty much the effect in-world. luffy has a "big number!" bounty that's bigger than his previous big number!
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Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2554 Posts
December 07 2023 15:44 GMT
#32969
New chapter just dropped.

Still not done with the flashback... It's been 7 chapters already. I feel like it could have been resolved in 3-4 chapters easily. Maybe I have a heart of coal but I don't really care about Kuma or Bonney, I just want plot progression. It feels like we've been reading filler for 2 months now.
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PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
December 21 2023 19:07 GMT
#32970
What about Bonney's weird attack against Alpha? I don't really get how she'd do that, I think I'm missing something
The heart's eternal vow
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8928 Posts
December 22 2023 05:35 GMT
#32971
i thought the backstory of kuma was generally great. a lot of callbacks to key moments in the story and huge feels at the end.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
December 22 2023 19:15 GMT
#32972
On December 22 2023 04:07 PVJ wrote:
What about Bonney's weird attack against Alpha? I don't really get how she'd do that, I think I'm missing something

I think the running theory is that her fruit can incorporate her imagination in a way so she transformed her arm into an imaginary future where she had Nika powers. Kuma had at least told her Nika had a rubber body as for why it made her arm giant maybe because the buccaneer race is huge? Idk. Seems like her fruit could be extremely broken if this is the case though. It already seems pretty strong
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18760 Posts
December 22 2023 20:07 GMT
#32973
On December 22 2023 14:35 evilfatsh1t wrote:
i thought the backstory of kuma was generally great. a lot of callbacks to key moments in the story and huge feels at the end.


I just became a father of a daughter a year ago and the whole Kuma story is hitting me hard. The end of the current chapter is just too much
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2554 Posts
December 23 2023 19:25 GMT
#32974
Kuma's alive, isn't he?

[image loading]
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 25 2023 17:03 GMT
#32975
On December 24 2023 04:25 Hyperbola wrote:
Kuma's alive, isn't he?

[image loading]

Saturn said he'd know if vegapunk did that. But who's to say who's the greater scientist
Freeeeeeedom
Warfie
Profile Joined February 2009
Norway2849 Posts
December 28 2023 08:03 GMT
#32976
Why did Kuma climb to Mary Geoise only to pop himself over to egghead?
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2554 Posts
December 28 2023 11:33 GMT
#32977
I guess he couldn't jump over the red line? Which honestly makes no sense, but it's just there for dramatic effect. The better question is why did Kuma's face and foot regenerate after they were burned off by Akainu?

Also, I'm not so sure if Kuma's still alive anymore. It could be that he's just programmed to protect whoever has that necklace Bonney got from vegapunk. However, that doesn't explain why he randomly started moving before Bonney got it and the egghead incident started. It could also just be "instinct" as Dragon and Iva proposed. The same thing happened to Cindry from Thriller Bark where even though her personality was wiped, her body still started crying and stopped responding to Hogback's commands. I'm thinking that's probably how it's going to end, Kuma will fight Saturn without saying a word and then smile at Bonney once Saturn activates his self destruct.
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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
December 30 2023 23:05 GMT
#32978
We saw Kuma's foot get caught by Akainu's attack, but we didn't see it get burned off. Which implies that it was burned, but not burned off.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
December 31 2023 01:00 GMT
#32979
Kuma is just built different. Kinda like Oden on the oil
Freeeeeeedom
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4243 Posts
December 31 2023 06:03 GMT
#32980
On December 06 2023 13:39 CHEONSOYUN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2023 05:54 Hyperbola wrote:
We learned Kuma's bounty in chapter 234, which was one chapter after Luffy 1 Hit KO'd Bellamy and his bounty was revealed to be 100 Million. At the time, this was meant to be a shocking revelation. Luffy's bounty was 30 Million since his battle with Arlong and after a fight with a big shot like Crocodile (with a former bounty of 81 Million), the 100 Million number was huge by comparison. Now, two more Shichibukai are introduced: Doflamingo and Kuma, and they're given massive bounties by comparison, roughly 300 Million each. This was very shocking at the time since up until that point, 100 Million was the highest bounty we ever saw and now there's two more dudes that completely outclass Luffy.

Do you get where I'm going with this? Stop thinking about bounties logically. They are there to hype up characters. They're not supposed to make any sense.


yeup. bounties are less of an in-world thing and more of a dbz "power level" thing where the numbers escalate as the story escalates.

"big number!" is pretty much the effect in-world. luffy has a "big number!" bounty that's bigger than his previous big number!

Yeah, up until the Cross Guild thing, I always thought the bounty system was so undercooked..... Do we even know of anyone cashing in on a bounty? I know Zoro used to be a bounty hunter but besides that tidbit I wish it was fleshed out more.


On December 08 2023 00:44 Hyperbola wrote:
New chapter just dropped.

Still not done with the flashback... It's been 7 chapters already. I feel like it could have been resolved in 3-4 chapters easily. Maybe I have a heart of coal but I don't really care about Kuma or Bonney, I just want plot progression. It feels like we've been reading filler for 2 months now.

I hope you changed your mind because this is the saddest heartbreaking story I think Oda has put out. To the extent, I don't really care about the Strawhat's dreams. I wanna see Kuma and Bonney burn the world government down.
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