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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On September 15 2023 04:18 Zambrah wrote: There was never a good argument for the Goro Goro no Mi being superior to the Pika Pika no Mi I think there is a fine argument. In the real world, moving at the speed of light requires you to...become light. And light hitting you isn't actually all that intimidating most of the time (particularly because Kizaru's light is in the visible spectrum). All of us have been "kicked" at the speed of light. Its called waving a flashlight. In that formulation, the Pika Pika would be basically a 100% speed fruit. What Oda's allowed the fruit to do here is break that rule and let him have speed while maintaining mass. Even at Marineford it wasn't clear the full extent of what he could do, the finger lasers were not that impressive, given he was an admiral, and one would have thought an Admiral-Level Enel would have lightning powers on par with the Ice and Magma powers of his counterparts. Aokiji froze two massive tsunamis and the entire battlefield area. Akainu created a rainstorm of magma that encompassed basically the entire bay at marineford. An admiral Goro-Goro would be expected to drop enough lightning to cover the whole battlefield as well. Meanwhile he did a little barrage of finger lasers. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2540 Posts
On September 15 2023 11:40 cLutZ wrote: I think there is a fine argument. In the real world, moving at the speed of light requires you to...become light. And light hitting you isn't actually all that intimidating most of the time (particularly because Kizaru's light is in the visible spectrum). All of us have been "kicked" at the speed of light. Its called waving a flashlight. In that formulation, the Pika Pika would be basically a 100% speed fruit. What Oda's allowed the fruit to do here is break that rule and let him have speed while maintaining mass. Even at Marineford it wasn't clear the full extent of what he could do, the finger lasers were not that impressive, given he was an admiral, and one would have thought an Admiral-Level Enel would have lightning powers on par with the Ice and Magma powers of his counterparts. Aokiji froze two massive tsunamis and the entire battlefield area. Akainu created a rainstorm of magma that encompassed basically the entire bay at marineford. An admiral Goro-Goro would be expected to drop enough lightning to cover the whole battlefield as well. Meanwhile he did a little barrage of finger lasers. Even moving 1% the speed of light is already enough to destroy entire islands. So, even if Kizaru lost 99% of his speed when he turned back into an object with mass that would be more than enough to bring down the Red Line with a single kick. As for large elemental AOE, are you forgetting about this: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/UFPKPS1.png) Kizaru is just too damn lazy to ever use his fruit properly. Imagine Akainu with the Pika Pika no mi. There wouldn't be a single pirate left alive in the OP world. | ||
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CHEONSOYUN
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On September 15 2023 12:33 Hyperbola wrote: Even moving 1% the speed of light is already enough to destroy entire islands. So, even if Kizaru lost 99% of his speed when he turned back into an object with mass that would be more than enough to bring down the Red Line with a single kick. As for large elemental AOE, are you forgetting about this: Kizaru is just too damn lazy to ever use his fruit properly. Imagine Akainu with the Pika Pika no mi. There wouldn't be a single pirate left alive in the OP world. Moving 1%-99% of the speed of light requires massive energy investment in the real world. I was merely stating the hypo. Obviously the OP reality is not a physics compliant end. Even in our current chapter, clearly Luffy is immortal, or the attack isnt light speed, l. If he was not, the attack would have impacted him with infinite power. | ||
Olli
Austria24420 Posts
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
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Merany
France890 Posts
It’ obviously a bit cringe sometimes and the special effects are hit or miss but IMO they’ve managed to land the most important bit, they’ve kept true to the spirit of the manga and that alone makes it a success in my eyes. My gf who’s not at all into OP is completely hooked and I’m really hoping we get a followup season. The Nami stabbing her tattoo scene was as emotional as the manga one. Not seeing a lot of discussion around it. Have you guys watched it? | ||
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Warfie
Norway2846 Posts
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goody153
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Was pleasantly surprised it was fun. It was obviously not a 1 to 1 adaptation but it had the spirit of One Piece. The casting felt spot on. Also this is gonna be weird to say but typically with japanese media I prefer jap dub and eng sub. Just this once I actually preferred the english dub cause well idk it felt more natural on screen when I tested out both Eng sub and Jap Dub. I heard it had enough mainstream people watching and liking it (well i dont have the numbers to back them up so dont quote me). It felt like a goofier variation of a pirates of the carribean which did well so it's probably fine for non-OP or non-anime people who are more openminded about watching shows On September 15 2023 15:31 PVJ wrote: Does haki work at the speed of light? Unless it does, it makes sense that kizaru's attack is sub-light speed Not sure what you mean but I would assume haki still works with Kizaru logia people since Kuzan and Akainu(i think) has showed the same feat. Probably safe to assume alot of their attacks at this level is haki coated although they have visual confirmation about it now | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
On September 18 2023 22:59 goody153 wrote: Not sure what you mean but I would assume haki still works with Kizaru logia people since Kuzan and Akainu(i think) has showed the same feat. Probably safe to assume alot of their attacks at this level is haki coated although they have visual confirmation about it now There was a discussion here on what is the velocity / energy output of being Kizaru or being attacked by him and whether it is still speed of light or below it. So I was just thinking out loud from an almost theological perspective. Haki is the will, that is strong enough to manifest. So is your will as quick as light? Can you block light with will? My impression is that you have to take a dip in light-speed in order to have time for "willing" By the way this final page with god-mode luffy was for me a big fuck this shit similar to how many posters here felt during the battles with Kaidou. I'm just like okay, how will anything be tense anymore? I'm especially in disarray since it just started to get interesting in the past year lore-wise: Elbaf, D., void century etc. EDIT: Wait ELBAF is just FABLE backwards????? I can't believe I am only discovering this after 20 years. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On September 20 2023 21:25 PVJ wrote: There was a discussion here on what is the velocity / energy output of being Kizaru or being attacked by him and whether it is still speed of light or below it. So I was just thinking out loud from an almost theological perspective. Haki is the will, that is strong enough to manifest. So is your will as quick as light? Can you block light with will? My impression is that you have to take a dip in light-speed in order to have time for "willing" By the way this final page with god-mode luffy was for me a big fuck this shit similar to how many posters here felt during the battles with Kaidou. I'm just like okay, how will anything be tense anymore? I'm especially in disarray since it just started to get interesting in the past year lore-wise: Elbaf, D., void century etc. EDIT: Wait ELBAF is just FABLE backwards????? I can't believe I am only discovering this after 20 years. Because tension in OP is not derived from the fights. Most of East Blue was stomps by Luffy/Zoro, the rest were self-nerfs, otherwise would be stomps. Situation is what creates tension. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
On September 21 2023 03:00 cLutZ wrote: Because tension in OP is not derived from the fights. Most of East Blue was stomps by Luffy/Zoro, the rest were self-nerfs, otherwise would be stomps. Situation is what creates tension. Indeed, and it keeps me interested and engaged still. What I mean is that the majority of arcs are built around match-ups and fights, with many of them displaying interesting strategies, some heroic comebacks or major tragedies but most of all a lot of weird mechanics and spells that gave the fights some dynamic. At those times I got to wonder while reading, what is the next move? How will this resolve? etc. I'm not too hung up on the first Luffy vs. Lucci fight -- by this I mean to say, I'm not a fight-nerd in general or nostalgic, I think -- for me even the Kaidou-war had a lot of cool things. (ROBIN!!!!) Now a giant god-hand just captures a being of light. I don't know what will happen of course (and I'm quite sure I will be pleasantly surprised) but for some reason for me that page took all the heat or intensity out of this one. On the other hand, if this means the story progresses faster I will be generally OK with the fights being bland. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Hyperbola
United States2540 Posts
On September 21 2023 10:55 cLutZ wrote: Fights will still be interesting at times, but I've always kid of loathed them since Marineford for being too long. Once Luffy cleared Kaido it always meant his opponents would be even at best, and admirals on the back foot. If Admirals=Yonkos they could just send in two, keep one in reserve, and keep Sengoku/Akainu at home. I always thought the balance of power worked more due to the preponderance of Yonko. If the Marines send 2 Admirals at Kaido then another Yonko would make their move against the Marines. And even if they don't, there's also a fairly large chance that an Admiral could go down in that fight and then the Marines would lose a huge percentage of their power. Finally, I think the Marines were actually comfortable with the old Yonko system. The world was locked in place and there were no major wars, just small conflicts between minor pirates which could easily be handled by a Vice admiral or maybe a Shichibukai. If you recall, as soon as Whitebeard went down, the New World was thrown into chaos. things kinda settled down but now, with Kaido and Big Mom out of the picture there's another massive power vacuum and now there's revolutions all across the world and now the war for Pirate King has started. So basically, just because you could doesn't mean you should. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2540 Posts
First it was Doffy and now it's Kizaru. Looks like every other Devil Fruit power allows you to make shadow clones of yourself. Kizaru's fruit was OP without this but hot damn now it's just absurd. What's next, will he be able to suck all the light out of an area and turn everyone blind? | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On September 21 2023 23:28 Hyperbola wrote: I always thought the balance of power worked more due to the preponderance of Yonko. If the Marines send 2 Admirals at Kaido then another Yonko would make their move against the Marines. And even if they don't, there's also a fairly large chance that an Admiral could go down in that fight and then the Marines would lose a huge percentage of their power. Finally, I think the Marines were actually comfortable with the old Yonko system. The world was locked in place and there were no major wars, just small conflicts between minor pirates which could easily be handled by a Vice admiral or maybe a Shichibukai. If you recall, as soon as Whitebeard went down, the New World was thrown into chaos. things kinda settled down but now, with Kaido and Big Mom out of the picture there's another massive power vacuum and now there's revolutions all across the world and now the war for Pirate King has started. So basically, just because you could doesn't mean you should. Yes, I think the WG was fairly comfortable with Yonkos because they would weed out potential Luffys most of the time (see the current predicaments of kid & law). But if Admirals= Yonkos two crews would have to team up to even threaten Marineford with all 3 admirals missing if Garp & Sengoku were there, and as real MF showed pirates are more likely to backstab than team up (Kaido was gonna do that to WB). | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2540 Posts
On September 22 2023 06:54 cLutZ wrote: Yes, I think the WG was fairly comfortable with Yonkos because they would weed out potential Luffys most of the time (see the current predicaments of kid & law). But if Admirals= Yonkos two crews would have to team up to even threaten Marineford with all 3 admirals missing if Garp & Sengoku were there, and as real MF showed pirates are more likely to backstab than team up (Kaido was gonna do that to WB). You can't really assume that all Yonko are the same. I think Whitebeard was a special case. Him and Roger were clearly in a league of their own. Furthermore, his goal wasn't to destroy the Marines, he just wanted to save Ace. A single Yonko like him can easily raid Marineford and then leave (assuming he's in good health). So even if he's equal in power to Akainu, he can spar with all 3 Admirals and then peace out. Also, Marines are in charge of global security. While the Yonko are the biggest threat, there are other lurking legends out there. If you commit all your troops to one region then you're pulling them away from somewhere else. Green Bull and Fujitora are a good example. Where the fuck are they from? What were they doing 2 years ago? Are there more out there like them? If the Marines send Aokiji and Kizaru after Kaido then what happens when Fujitora attacks Marineford? You could send Akainu after him but then Green Bull destroys G5 and Big Mom invades Mariejois and Shanks destroys Impel Down and Whitebeard takes control of Egghead. See what I'm getting at here? The Marines are spread way too thin to commit to destroying a single Yonko. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18478 Posts
Otherwise pirates are just stronger than the WG and marinea | ||
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