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On April 02 2021 12:04 RenSC2 wrote:
Power scaling in OP is pretty wonky. I think fights in OP were initially about "counters" or finding weaknesses, but eventually Oda realized he couldn't find ways for the Strawhats to consistently find the counter and thus introduced Haki. Fights in OP have not been as good since haki took over.
Still a good adventure manga with all the crazy world building that Oda throws at us, but it seems to get bogged down every time there's a long fight because they're much less interesting than they used to be.
The good news is that when you binge read, the fights fly by fast, and you can take your time absorbing the world and plot and getting surprised by the reveals.
For sure. The story was best when I was binging it. Even so, I think pre-timeskip was better paced in general. Dressrossa was like 3x as long as Alabasta.
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Yeah I think OP has power level syndrome where everything needs to be bigger now because it's entirely unrealistic that a small fish is going to give Luffy + crew a challenge. So Luffy's actions need to free a huge nation with tons of setup because we can't tell small stories anymore.
Which is a shame imo, because these large arcs suffer from character overbloat. That being said I thought Dressrossa was fine, the Yonko arcs are imo where it started to drag. And Dressrossa into BM into Kaido really could have used a smaller arc with a different structure in between (and no, Reverie wasn't really an arc).
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On April 03 2021 03:42 Archeon wrote:
Yeah I think OP has power level syndrome where everything needs to be bigger now because it's entirely unrealistic that a small fish is going to give Luffy + crew a challenge. So Luffy's actions need to free a huge nation with tons of setup because we can't tell small stories anymore.
Which is a shame imo, because these large arcs suffer from character overbloat. That being said I thought Dressrossa was fine, the Yonko arcs are imo where it started to drag. And Dressrossa into BM into Kaido really could have used a smaller arc with a different structure in between (and no, Reverie wasn't really an arc).
Oda could honestly take out the "free the town from evil" element out of story now. This set up was fine before time skip but it's getting unbearable as of lately. I don't even know half of the names introduced at Wano Kuni.
The biggest problem is lack of tension. It feels like strawhats can NEVER die. It feels like if they fight vs 4 yonkos they will live without even losing a limb. Takes away the fun of the story IMO
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You know what bothers me more than power levels? Just the scale of the characters. It seems so grossly disproportionate. It seems like every arc the characters get taller and wider. It makes zero sense for a 6 foot tall dude to be fighting a 20 foot tall dude and for it to be an even fight.
I realize it's anime logic to basically not have any laws of physics apply, but seriously, how in the fuck can Luffy do any damage to someone like Kaido who looks like he weighs 100 times his weight? And is it really necessary to have every new villain be slightly taller than the last? I think there's a hidden One Piece rule that the more powerful you are the taller you get... until you get to the "giant" category in which case you turn into a total scrub and are just there to get taken out by smaller characters to show how tough they are.
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The thing about freakishly tall guys has been around forever though. Alvida was huge, and Morgan was like 10 feet tall. I'm pretty sure that's one of the points Oda is into. The normal size people holding their own, just like low he loves having old guys like Garp and Raliegh still kicking ass.
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I’m more concerned about how the people or disproportionate size have children with normal sized people
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So Big Mom seems to have been kicked out of the fight. Kaido against five guys seems doable. I wonder what will happen to Big Mom, dying is surely not an option.
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On April 05 2021 13:29 cLutZ wrote:
The thing about freakishly tall guys has been around forever though. Alvida was huge, and Morgan was like 10 feet tall. I'm pretty sure that's one of the points Oda is into. The normal size people holding their own, just like low he loves having old guys like Garp and Raliegh still kicking ass.
Yeah but now people are just casually huge. For example, Kinemon is almost 10 feet tall and I'm pretty sure he's one of the shortest scabbards. Why? Why is it necessary for all these new characters to be 10 feet tall? What narrative purpose does it serve to have these side characters be NBA players? Are they meant to be intimidating somehow? Why can't they just be normal sized humans like the rest of the Straw Hats? It seems like all the normal people we've encountered in east blue are now midgets in comparison to grand line / new world characters... for what reason? Does Oda even have a reason? It frankly makes the world building look sloppy and takes me completely out of the series when reading it. There's a massive elephant in the room every time you read One Piece which makes you wonder why these 10 foot or 20 foot tall people aren't completely obliterating the 6 foot tall "midgets" which have less reach, muscle mass, force on their punches, torque on their sword swings, etc...
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Oda just likes drawing weird, wacky characters
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It's obvious why some characters are drawn much larger than others, because it's an easy way to make them look intimidating. It has grown to ridiculously over time. Before "normal" size was the norm and being somewhat tall was intimidating enough. The admirals and Whitebeard were huge enough and intimidating. Now every other adult male seems to be twice the height of Luffy as the new normal.
The proportions are so out of wack now like triangle shaped people or that man with the massive head who is the father or the twin daughters of Big Mom (I can't remember their names right now) to the point you can't really call them humans anymore, much like you can't call the actual species of Giants as humans.
Heck even former normal looking humans when they were younger adults like that female ninja (forgot her name) and Orochi are drawn with faces bigger than their bodies for no reason. Do people in Wano grow bigger faces naturally as they grow older? I think Oda has ran out of faces so he draws random shapes as bodies instead. I'm looking forward to Oda eventually drawing a 20 foot man with hands bigger than the rest of his body as he ran out of funny proportions.
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I mean Oda always had weird proportions and weird size differences. The Aarlong crew was pretty much collectively larger than Luffy's and the size difference between the captains was massive f.e..
That being said I have the impression that Luffy is just small for a seafarer. Like I don't think Luffy has ever fought someone smaller than him, his father and grandfather are both huge in comparison and even most people in his crew are larger than him. It makes for a good David vs Goliath story.
On a side note a correlation between strongest fighter and largest person makes sense in the real world, so Luffy fighting increasingly large guys the stronger his enemies become is somewhat reasonable. Naturally real world fighting benefits don't really play a large role in a world with Haki and DFs though, so I assume the SHs are simply small to make them look like underdogs.
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On April 06 2021 06:50 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
It's obvious why some characters are drawn much larger than others, because it's an easy way to make them look intimidating. It has grown to ridiculously over time. Before "normal" size was the norm and being somewhat tall was intimidating enough. The admirals and Whitebeard were huge enough and intimidating. Now every other adult male seems to be twice the height of Luffy as the new normal.
The proportions are so out of wack now like triangle shaped people or that man with the massive head who is the father or the twin daughters of Big Mom (I can't remember their names right now) to the point you can't really call them humans anymore, much like you can't call the actual species of Giants as humans.
Heck even former normal looking humans when they were younger adults like that female ninja (forgot her name) and Orochi are drawn with faces bigger than their bodies for no reason. Do people in Wano grow bigger faces naturally as they grow older? I think Oda has ran out of faces so he draws random shapes as bodies instead. I'm looking forward to Oda eventually drawing a 20 foot man with hands bigger than the rest of his body as he ran out of funny proportions.
Chiffon and Lola are the daughters
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One Piece has been going for 20 years or so. Art and style tastes and Oda being comfortable (his tastes are weird and eccentric) to design characters without fear of sales or reception I think that’s all resulted in the shift in character design. That all being said I really do miss the pre-time skip designs for the strawhats; robin, frankly and chopper especially.
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I must be the only one who assumed giant genetics have been making their way through bloodlines for thousands of years from back when giants were more integrated.
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On April 06 2021 09:08 Archeon wrote:
I mean Oda always had weird proportions and weird size differences. The Aarlong crew was pretty much collectively larger than Luffy's and the size difference between the captains was massive f.e..
That being said I have the impression that Luffy is just small for a seafarer. Like I don't think Luffy has ever fought someone smaller than him, his father and grandfather are both huge in comparison and even most people in his crew are larger than him. It makes for a good David vs Goliath story.
On a side note a correlation between strongest fighter and largest person makes sense in the real world, so Luffy fighting increasingly large guys the stronger his enemies become is somewhat reasonable. Naturally real world fighting benefits don't really play a large role in a world with Haki and DFs though, so I assume the SHs are simply small to make them look like underdogs.
Aarlong's crew are not humans, they are fishmen.
On April 06 2021 11:11 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2021 06:50 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
It's obvious why some characters are drawn much larger than others, because it's an easy way to make them look intimidating. It has grown to ridiculously over time. Before "normal" size was the norm and being somewhat tall was intimidating enough. The admirals and Whitebeard were huge enough and intimidating. Now every other adult male seems to be twice the height of Luffy as the new normal.
The proportions are so out of wack now like triangle shaped people or that man with the massive head who is the father or the twin daughters of Big Mom (I can't remember their names right now) to the point you can't really call them humans anymore, much like you can't call the actual species of Giants as humans.
Heck even former normal looking humans when they were younger adults like that female ninja (forgot her name) and Orochi are drawn with faces bigger than their bodies for no reason. Do people in Wano grow bigger faces naturally as they grow older? I think Oda has ran out of faces so he draws random shapes as bodies instead. I'm looking forward to Oda eventually drawing a 20 foot man with hands bigger than the rest of his body as he ran out of funny proportions. Chiffon and Lola are the daughters Thanks. There are just too many names to remember. Who can remember the name of the father? I'm sure I can find it if i can be botherede to search for it though.
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On April 07 2021 07:33 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2021 09:08 Archeon wrote:
I mean Oda always had weird proportions and weird size differences. The Aarlong crew was pretty much collectively larger than Luffy's and the size difference between the captains was massive f.e..
That being said I have the impression that Luffy is just small for a seafarer. Like I don't think Luffy has ever fought someone smaller than him, his father and grandfather are both huge in comparison and even most people in his crew are larger than him. It makes for a good David vs Goliath story.
On a side note a correlation between strongest fighter and largest person makes sense in the real world, so Luffy fighting increasingly large guys the stronger his enemies become is somewhat reasonable. Naturally real world fighting benefits don't really play a large role in a world with Haki and DFs though, so I assume the SHs are simply small to make them look like underdogs. Aarlong's crew are not humans, they are fishmen. Show nested quote +On April 06 2021 11:11 cLutZ wrote:On April 06 2021 06:50 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
It's obvious why some characters are drawn much larger than others, because it's an easy way to make them look intimidating. It has grown to ridiculously over time. Before "normal" size was the norm and being somewhat tall was intimidating enough. The admirals and Whitebeard were huge enough and intimidating. Now every other adult male seems to be twice the height of Luffy as the new normal.
The proportions are so out of wack now like triangle shaped people or that man with the massive head who is the father or the twin daughters of Big Mom (I can't remember their names right now) to the point you can't really call them humans anymore, much like you can't call the actual species of Giants as humans.
Heck even former normal looking humans when they were younger adults like that female ninja (forgot her name) and Orochi are drawn with faces bigger than their bodies for no reason. Do people in Wano grow bigger faces naturally as they grow older? I think Oda has ran out of faces so he draws random shapes as bodies instead. I'm looking forward to Oda eventually drawing a 20 foot man with hands bigger than the rest of his body as he ran out of funny proportions. Chiffon and Lola are the daughters Thanks. There are just too many names to remember. Who can remember the name of the father? I'm sure I can find it if i can be botherede to search for it though.
Its Pound. Easiest to remember if you remember Chiffon is also a type of cake.
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On April 07 2021 07:33 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2021 09:08 Archeon wrote:
I mean Oda always had weird proportions and weird size differences. The Aarlong crew was pretty much collectively larger than Luffy's and the size difference between the captains was massive f.e..
That being said I have the impression that Luffy is just small for a seafarer. Like I don't think Luffy has ever fought someone smaller than him, his father and grandfather are both huge in comparison and even most people in his crew are larger than him. It makes for a good David vs Goliath story.
On a side note a correlation between strongest fighter and largest person makes sense in the real world, so Luffy fighting increasingly large guys the stronger his enemies become is somewhat reasonable. Naturally real world fighting benefits don't really play a large role in a world with Haki and DFs though, so I assume the SHs are simply small to make them look like underdogs. Aarlong's crew are not humans, they are fishmen. Show nested quote +On April 06 2021 11:11 cLutZ wrote:On April 06 2021 06:50 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
It's obvious why some characters are drawn much larger than others, because it's an easy way to make them look intimidating. It has grown to ridiculously over time. Before "normal" size was the norm and being somewhat tall was intimidating enough. The admirals and Whitebeard were huge enough and intimidating. Now every other adult male seems to be twice the height of Luffy as the new normal.
The proportions are so out of wack now like triangle shaped people or that man with the massive head who is the father or the twin daughters of Big Mom (I can't remember their names right now) to the point you can't really call them humans anymore, much like you can't call the actual species of Giants as humans.
Heck even former normal looking humans when they were younger adults like that female ninja (forgot her name) and Orochi are drawn with faces bigger than their bodies for no reason. Do people in Wano grow bigger faces naturally as they grow older? I think Oda has ran out of faces so he draws random shapes as bodies instead. I'm looking forward to Oda eventually drawing a 20 foot man with hands bigger than the rest of his body as he ran out of funny proportions. Chiffon and Lola are the daughters Thanks. There are just too many names to remember. Who can remember the name of the father? I'm sure I can find it if i can be botherede to search for it though.
Sure, but there are massive size differences between the fishmen too and f.e. Hatchan and his not-gf are within the range of normal humans, so it's not like fishmen are always larger. Other somewhat early major antagonists like Crocodile, Don Krieg or the corrupt axe marine captain are easily 1.5x the size of Luffy too while being humans.
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To elaborate on my earlier post, I see it 2 different ways:
1. Giant DNA perhaps making its way through bloodlines
2. Maybe a world where devil fruits exist is also a world where all life forms have wildly variable shapes and sizes. Reflecting on something seeming unrealistic in an anime has never felt like a good use of time. It makes sense to me that the larger beings would end up being kind of overpowered and that enemies have somewhat linearly gotten bigger over the course of the show.
As for people like Kinemon, I've always just thought "yeah dude is really tall" and end it there.
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On April 07 2021 17:34 Archeon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2021 07:33 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On April 06 2021 09:08 Archeon wrote:
I mean Oda always had weird proportions and weird size differences. The Aarlong crew was pretty much collectively larger than Luffy's and the size difference between the captains was massive f.e..
That being said I have the impression that Luffy is just small for a seafarer. Like I don't think Luffy has ever fought someone smaller than him, his father and grandfather are both huge in comparison and even most people in his crew are larger than him. It makes for a good David vs Goliath story.
On a side note a correlation between strongest fighter and largest person makes sense in the real world, so Luffy fighting increasingly large guys the stronger his enemies become is somewhat reasonable. Naturally real world fighting benefits don't really play a large role in a world with Haki and DFs though, so I assume the SHs are simply small to make them look like underdogs. Aarlong's crew are not humans, they are fishmen. On April 06 2021 11:11 cLutZ wrote:On April 06 2021 06:50 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
It's obvious why some characters are drawn much larger than others, because it's an easy way to make them look intimidating. It has grown to ridiculously over time. Before "normal" size was the norm and being somewhat tall was intimidating enough. The admirals and Whitebeard were huge enough and intimidating. Now every other adult male seems to be twice the height of Luffy as the new normal.
The proportions are so out of wack now like triangle shaped people or that man with the massive head who is the father or the twin daughters of Big Mom (I can't remember their names right now) to the point you can't really call them humans anymore, much like you can't call the actual species of Giants as humans.
Heck even former normal looking humans when they were younger adults like that female ninja (forgot her name) and Orochi are drawn with faces bigger than their bodies for no reason. Do people in Wano grow bigger faces naturally as they grow older? I think Oda has ran out of faces so he draws random shapes as bodies instead. I'm looking forward to Oda eventually drawing a 20 foot man with hands bigger than the rest of his body as he ran out of funny proportions. Chiffon and Lola are the daughters Thanks. There are just too many names to remember. Who can remember the name of the father? I'm sure I can find it if i can be botherede to search for it though. Sure, but there are massive size differences between the fishmen too and f.e. Hatchan and his not-gf are within the range of normal humans, so it's not like fishmen are always larger. Other somewhat early major antagonists like Crocodile, Don Krieg or the corrupt axe marine captain are easily 1.5x the size of Luffy too while being humans. So what? We are talking about humans. Kaido and Big Mom are supposed to be humans, which is why it is so strange they are huge. Same with every other human. They are so huge or have such bizarre shapes you can't really call them human anymore. It's a real dissonance, especially when Luffy asserts that these people as big as houses are humans.
Some fishmen who are size of whales, some have fish tails, some look like octopus, one vene looks like a starfish, which no-one cares particularily about precisely as they are not humans.
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On April 08 2021 04:50 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2021 17:34 Archeon wrote:On April 07 2021 07:33 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On April 06 2021 09:08 Archeon wrote:
I mean Oda always had weird proportions and weird size differences. The Aarlong crew was pretty much collectively larger than Luffy's and the size difference between the captains was massive f.e..
That being said I have the impression that Luffy is just small for a seafarer. Like I don't think Luffy has ever fought someone smaller than him, his father and grandfather are both huge in comparison and even most people in his crew are larger than him. It makes for a good David vs Goliath story.
On a side note a correlation between strongest fighter and largest person makes sense in the real world, so Luffy fighting increasingly large guys the stronger his enemies become is somewhat reasonable. Naturally real world fighting benefits don't really play a large role in a world with Haki and DFs though, so I assume the SHs are simply small to make them look like underdogs. Aarlong's crew are not humans, they are fishmen. On April 06 2021 11:11 cLutZ wrote:On April 06 2021 06:50 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
It's obvious why some characters are drawn much larger than others, because it's an easy way to make them look intimidating. It has grown to ridiculously over time. Before "normal" size was the norm and being somewhat tall was intimidating enough. The admirals and Whitebeard were huge enough and intimidating. Now every other adult male seems to be twice the height of Luffy as the new normal.
The proportions are so out of wack now like triangle shaped people or that man with the massive head who is the father or the twin daughters of Big Mom (I can't remember their names right now) to the point you can't really call them humans anymore, much like you can't call the actual species of Giants as humans.
Heck even former normal looking humans when they were younger adults like that female ninja (forgot her name) and Orochi are drawn with faces bigger than their bodies for no reason. Do people in Wano grow bigger faces naturally as they grow older? I think Oda has ran out of faces so he draws random shapes as bodies instead. I'm looking forward to Oda eventually drawing a 20 foot man with hands bigger than the rest of his body as he ran out of funny proportions. Chiffon and Lola are the daughters Thanks. There are just too many names to remember. Who can remember the name of the father? I'm sure I can find it if i can be botherede to search for it though. Sure, but there are massive size differences between the fishmen too and f.e. Hatchan and his not-gf are within the range of normal humans, so it's not like fishmen are always larger. Other somewhat early major antagonists like Crocodile, Don Krieg or the corrupt axe marine captain are easily 1.5x the size of Luffy too while being humans. So what? We are talking about humans. Kaido and Big Mom are supposed to be humans, which is why it is so strange they are huge. Same with every other human. They are so huge or have such bizarre shapes you can't really call them human anymore. It's a real dissonance, especially when Luffy asserts that these people as big as houses are humans. Some fishmen who are size of whales, some have fish tails, some look like octopus, one vene looks like a starfish, which no-one cares particularily about precisely as they are not humans.
Is this not a strange thing to say while watching an anime? I can think of numerous humans in anime with qualities that do not match what I see when I walk outside.
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