[Manga] One Piece - Page 1565

On March 31 2021 06:42 Sentenal wrote:

I mean... Remember when Crocodile thrust his whole hooked arm through Luffy's torso?

On March 31 2021 13:32 evilfatsh1t wrote:
whitebeard was missing half his face and still wrecking akainu.

On March 31 2021 13:32 evilfatsh1t wrote:
whitebeard was missing half his face and still wrecking akainu.

On April 01 2021 03:49 cLutZ wrote:

People imo vastly misunderstand marineford in general. If the goal was to fight the marines WB would have wrecked everyone save possibly Garp and Sengoku. The goal was to save Ace which nerfed them significantly and Ace's death was the turning point of the battle after which the WB pirates kinda lost faith.

On April 01 2021 03:49 cLutZ wrote:

People imo vastly misunderstand marineford in general. If the goal was to fight the marines WB would have wrecked everyone save possibly Garp and Sengoku. The goal was to save Ace which nerfed them significantly and Ace's death was the turning point of the battle after which the WB pirates kinda lost faith.

On April 01 2021 05:17 Elentos wrote:
Whitebeard was terminally ill on top of his old age. He could neither move like he wanted nor use his haki to its fullest. And with the nature of his DF, it's pretty safe to he had to constantly hold back on that front in every instance we've seen because of friendly fire.

If there was no rescue mission, Whitebeard could have sunk the island without stepping on it. If he was ruthless with no regard for the lives of his subordinates, who knows what damage he could have done in a straight up fight. But the chances of him and his crew + allies winning the war were extremely low.

On April 01 2021 04:41 Shinokuki wrote:


You're saying wb could've solo'd mihawk, 3 admirals, rest of the shichibukais all by himself?

On April 01 2021 04:42 Shinokuki wrote:


Had oda written marine ford accurately, marines should've speed blitz wreck wb pirates. We saw akainu no sell attacks from vista/marco. Get aokiji to solo entire wb pirates like what akainu did and then akainu can solo wb all by himself (wb was losing to akainu before wb sneak attacked akainu anyway). We're not even utilizing mihawk, bosalino, garp, nor sengoku.

On April 01 2021 05:17 Elentos wrote:
Whitebeard was terminally ill on top of his old age. He could neither move like he wanted nor use his haki to its fullest. And with the nature of his DF, it's pretty safe to he had to constantly hold back on that front in every instance we've seen because of friendly fire.

If there was no rescue mission, Whitebeard could have sunk the island without stepping on it. If he was ruthless with no regard for the lives of his subordinates, who knows what damage he could have done in a straight up fight. But the chances of him and his crew + allies winning the war were extremely low.

On April 01 2021 12:43 cLutZ wrote:


No, I'm saying the WB Pirates would have beaten the Marines if they had been attacking Marineford for the purpose of attacking and both Garp and Sengoku were not there. Mihawk is, however a wildcard as he might be Shanks-level or Shanks +. But certainly the admirals would have gotten smacked around.



Marco was going to easily rescue Ace, getting around the 3 admirals with ease until Garp bitch slapped him. Akainu was never beating WB in a straight fight, to think so is pure insanity. Indeed, Marco and Jozu were both fighting on par with Admirals at times during the fight, and showed no sign of being weaker than Kizaru. This is further cemented by Ace's near-even fight with Blackbeard at the time, a guy who was only about a year from becoming a Yonko himself, and who won against Ace mostly due to a favorable DF matchup, and Vista's fun sparring match with Mihawk.

The WB pirates, at the time, were way stronger than the current Big Mom and Beasts pirates are. His top 4 commanders were all at or around the strength of Kizaru/Blackbeard.



True, but that is partially because it was a rescue mission that gimped them, and because the the Warlords, of which Mihawk and Doffy (at least) huge bonuses, plus having all 3 admirals + Garp + Sengoku. The Marines stacked the deck for them as much as possible and...were kinda going to fail the mission of publicly executing Ace if he hadn't made an extremely hotheaded move.

Edit:

Also note that Garp in chapter 501 highly implies that if the marines sent enough manpower to deal with Raleigh on Sabody (more than Kizaru + Sentamaru + Pacifistas for sure, because he's toying with that level of assault while still defending the Straw Hats) that it would be a critical blow to winning at Marineford. The subordinates in these legendary crews are not like the commanders in Big Mom and Kaido's crew. Those two might be comparable as individuals, but their crews don't like them, are insubordinate, and aren't nearly as strong as those from Rodger and WB's crews.

On April 02 2021 04:17 Archeon wrote:
And we're back to Marineford and Shinoku is back to talk about how op Admirals are based on his interpretation of stuff that happened 400 chapters ago and which apparently most people don't see as clear cut.

Can we go back to discussing the chances of Enel healing the Samurais please? Feels more productive and at least people remember stuff clearly enough.

On April 02 2021 07:10 Shinokuki wrote:


I mean there is really not much to talk about other than power levels. Seems like that's what one piece has been focusing on in the story as of lately. Like have we forgotten Nami's dream was to draw the map of the enire world? When is that ever gonna happen? Instead we see scabbards for 100+ chapters lol

On April 01 2021 17:01 Shinokuki wrote:


wow this is pretty interesting take... Do you still believe YC = admiral even after all of this and few hints?.. I thought that was the common take right after time skip and then many realized YCs are shit compared to yonkos/admirals..

On April 02 2021 12:04 RenSC2 wrote:
Power scaling in OP is pretty wonky. I think fights in OP were initially about "counters" or finding weaknesses, but eventually Oda realized he couldn't find ways for the Strawhats to consistently find the counter and thus introduced Haki. Fights in OP have not been as good since haki took over.

Still a good adventure manga with all the crazy world building that Oda throws at us, but it seems to get bogged down every time there's a long fight because they're much less interesting than they used to be.

The good news is that when you binge read, the fights fly by fast, and you can take your time absorbing the world and plot and getting surprised by the reveals.