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SimilarDisaster7033
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On February 06 2021 15:34 Zambrah wrote: Attack on Titan says hi. It's not so much as capable of death but that One Piece just takes the no dying to ridiculous levels to the point that until we see a grave and an entire arc dedicated to telling us over and over that person is well and truly dead, we don't believe they are dead. Point in case: does anyone believe Orochi is dead. We have been shown his decapitated head again this chapter. Is that Oda telling us he is truly dead or is it oda foreshadowing his revival? Who knows.This is a shonen, why would you expect any of the primary characters to be capable of death? There was never any chance any mainstay of the Straw Hats was ever going to die except maybe at the very last chapter or two | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8664 Posts
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Archeon
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On February 07 2021 00:51 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Attack on Titan says hi. It's not so much as capable of death but that One Piece just takes the no dying to ridiculous levels to the point that until we see a grave and an entire arc dedicated to telling us over and over that person is well and truly dead, we don't believe they are dead. Point in case: does anyone believe Orochi is dead. We have been shown his decapitated head again this chapter. Is that Oda telling us he is truly dead or is it oda foreshadowing his revival? Who knows. Attack on Titan really is Seinen though and has a different target audience. Expecting the optimistic, at times childish humorous adventure about exploring the world that OP is to do the same things as to a story where the protagonist's mother gets eaten by monsters during a cataclysmic event in the first scene seems very weird to me. I like both series, but they really aren't comparable in any way outside of addressing primarily a male audience. The adequate comparison would be how Jiraya dies in Naruto, but a lot of people are low key expecting to see Shanks or Rayleigh bite the dust eventually. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7312 Posts
On February 07 2021 00:51 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Attack on Titan says hi. It's not so much as capable of death but that One Piece just takes the no dying to ridiculous levels to the point that until we see a grave and an entire arc dedicated to telling us over and over that person is well and truly dead, we don't believe they are dead. Point in case: does anyone believe Orochi is dead. We have been shown his decapitated head again this chapter. Is that Oda telling us he is truly dead or is it oda foreshadowing his revival? Who knows. In what world is Attack on Titan similar to One Piece, Attack on Titan has more in common with Game of Thrones than it does One Piece. You'd be better of comparing to Naruto, or Bleach (gag), or Black Clover. Chainsawman also has very mortal main characters, and they've displayed a willingness to off anyone at anytime, but its also not really all that similar to One Piece, even though its published in Jump too. | ||
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Shinokuki
United States861 Posts
On February 06 2021 17:05 sharkie wrote: And when was this different in one piece? it's kinda more like.. we're in yonko territory. We were in heart of yonko territory before. We are literally outnumbered and yet... no one has truly died so far. There is no sense of danger. It's just our protagonist strugglin a little and winnin at the end of the day. idk how one piece being shonen has to prevent oda from giving real deaths to our favorite characters? Anyway, I get why oda didnt really kill off people before time skip but this is supposedly new world? Heck, we are in yonko territory now.. lol just imagine if ussop died during this arc? just how anxious and exciting would future arcs be? we would legit be hyped up and scared for every situations in new world | ||
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Zambrah
United States7312 Posts
Like One Piece doesn't have that kind of tone, its not like Chainsawman that can get away with, "fuck they really just killed one of the main fucking characters" because of its more brutal tone. One Piece is very much about the whimsy and about the characters achieving their dreams, its not meant to be an adrenaline rollercoaster of crazy GoT-like, "will they die here?!" Reading One Piece (or any of the stuff like Black Clover, or Naruto, etc.) expecting that sort of thing just feels like you're looking for something One Piece isn't really even pretending like its going to give you. Chainsawman is really good though and if you are in for that sort of more legitimate lacking of plot armor then its an awesome manga that does it. Genuinely surprised that they let the man who made fuckin' FIREPUNCH into Shonen Jump. | ||
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Shinokuki
United States861 Posts
On February 07 2021 18:05 Zambrah wrote: If Usopp died he'd have a cataclysmically terrible story arc though, part of One Piece is seeing the crew realize each of their dreams, killing them off before they achieve their dreams (which realistically is only going to happen at the end) just... sucks? Like One Piece doesn't have that kind of tone, its not like Chainsawman that can get away with, "fuck they really just killed one of the main fucking characters" because of its more brutal tone. One Piece is very much about the whimsy and about the characters achieving their dreams, its not meant to be an adrenaline rollercoaster of crazy GoT-like, "will they die here?!" Reading One Piece (or any of the stuff like Black Clover, or Naruto, etc.) expecting that sort of thing just feels like you're looking for something One Piece isn't really even pretending like its going to give you. Chainsawman is really good though and if you are in for that sort of more legitimate lacking of plot armor then its an awesome manga that does it. Genuinely surprised that they let the man who made fuckin' FIREPUNCH into Shonen Jump. i get ya. I admit killing of ussopp will ruin the story since we're literally going against the story's main theme. However, you don't think people would be fine with oda killing off kid, one of the scabbards, or even jinbei? like.. no one has really died so far in new world man.. there is absolutely no danger. i hope u understand what i mean | ||
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Zambrah
United States7312 Posts
On February 07 2021 18:19 Shinokuki wrote: i get ya. I admit killing of ussopp will ruin the story since we're literally going against the story's main theme. However, you don't think people would be fine with oda killing off kid, one of the scabbards, or even jinbei? like.. no one has really died so far in new world man.. there is absolutely no danger. i hope u understand what i mean Yeah I get you, One Piece HAS killed characters in the past (Ace, I still remember seeing them literally put his crying face during Marineford on a shirt during one of the Jump tshirt releases for Uniqlo and thinking... they did the poor boy dirty, lol) but its definitely been a rare thing done for maximum impact. I wouldnt be surprised if we do see a death or two sometime soon, but I like that when OP does it its rare and really impactful. I think looking for death flags is going to have to be done kind of in parallel with Roger, like if Luffy is the Roger parallel anyone who has a vague Roger-era parallel (Law might be the Whitebeard of now, as an example) likely means they've got bullet proof plot armor. Someone like Jinbei though? Hes a prime candidate, has no really serious character arc-y dream, is relatively older, hasn't been with the crew long in any real official capacity but s also pretty beloved. Marco is also someone who could feasibly die. Now that I think about it, characters of an older age are probably generally more likely to get killed right now. Maybe when we're really close to the actual End End we'll see the younger ones be off'ed for maximum impact and sacrifice when they've given to the story everything they have to give, but I think its too early for that atm, imo. The Big Three Supernovas a la Law, Luffy, and Kidd, their orbit is bulletproof plot armor wise imo. I'd say probably none of the Supernovas are likely to bite it anytime soon. Its just not One Piece's style. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
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Archeon
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Even Usopp and Nami have a higher chance to get killed than Momosuke imo, him dying would destroy the entire arc. As a result he's had plot armor thick enough to keep a Yonko from killing him. Oden is the old guy that is supposed to connect the pirates with | ||
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Shinokuki
United States861 Posts
On February 08 2021 18:05 PVJ wrote: Well for example I gave like 15-20% chance that momonosuke would die. Also the way Oden died for example was there to present the dangers the heroes face. You are looking at it in the wrong direction. Lmao what dangers? I couldnt care less if kinemon died tbh. If chopper died suddenly in this arc i’d be shitting bricks and be way more hyped for future arcs. Heck oden was supposed to die. That guy had death flag all over him lmao. How does that give story sense of danger? | ||
Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8664 Posts
On February 10 2021 14:31 Shinokuki wrote: Lmao what dangers? I couldnt care less if kinemon died tbh. If chopper died suddenly in this arc i’d be shitting bricks and be way more hyped for future arcs. Heck oden was supposed to die. That guy had death flag all over him lmao. How does that give story sense of danger? this is one piece. its not supposed to have a sense of danger. when the main character literally fears nothing but probably going hungry because everything to him is an adventure, the reader isnt supposed to be worried for the main characters and be fearful for the crew. | ||
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herMan
Japan2053 Posts
People have pointed out that One Piece is not a manga where main characters are suddenly offed, yeah. However, I would be pumped to at least see important people around them get killed. Kidd, Law, some scabbards dying would really show that this was a big battle with lots of people dead as a result, taking down Kaido definitely was not fun and games. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18417 Posts
I can understand these sorts of criticism in the first few years but OP is over 20 years old now! Nothing has changed from when it started to now... | ||
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Zexion
Sweden971 Posts
On a sidenote: The whole "being strong enough to protect his crewmates"-thing with Luffy. Isn't the point that he keeps getting stronger so no one has to die? Not saying it's good or bad storywise but that's just how One Piece is. These childish/naive elements exists in the rest of the manga as well, and personally I think it has its charms. The main character is super childish, but he still wins in the end. The story definitely has serious/dark elements but the overall tone is lighthearted/carefree, even when stakes are high. It's not like OP is the best manga ever. It's just...One Piece, and I sure enjoy it far more than most shonen mangas who take themselves way too serious. If I want to read something really dark and serious, there are a lot of other mangas. With this being said, I don't mean it would be bad if some characters actually died this arc. Just saying it makes total sense in the OP manga that no one really does, even with cracked skulls/bones/whatever. | ||
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herMan
Japan2053 Posts
Not asking for anything drastic, just the acknowledgment that not everybody is going to make it to the end, whether it's a crewmember or some friends. Shanks and Jinbei will kick the bucket, but it probably has nothing to do with Straw Hat crew directly. It's a bit boring to see these chaotic guys running around without realizing that there are consequences to the havoc they're causing. Again, not that type of manga but such a little thing could give give soooo much weight and TENSION to the story | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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