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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

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CHEONSOYUN
Profile Joined August 2017
611 Posts
February 01 2021 08:41 GMT
#31101
Law is the Shikamaru/Batman of One Piece. His power level depends on the whims of the writer.
JAEDONG...!!! EFFORT IS ANGRY. ZERG...?!
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
February 01 2021 11:36 GMT
#31102
On January 31 2021 01:43 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Laws ability should be able to instant kill anybody really. What stops him from removing parts of the body like the brain and destroying it instantly?

Also Zoro missing with his sword. Somehow.


Even Gamma Knifing someone in the brain should be enough to basically put anyone down, hes definitely one of those, "well technically shouldnt he able to..." type of characters that should be capable of a fair number of pretty busted things.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18723 Posts
February 01 2021 11:51 GMT
#31103
But wouldnt it make sense that Haki can protect you from the effects of devil fruits just like haki makes it possible to hit logia?
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
February 01 2021 12:54 GMT
#31104
I think part of the point of Luffy's new special Wano armament Haki is that it goes directly into someone, so I imagine that means that Haki is only hardening their exterior? So I'd imagine any attack that can bypass the hardened exterior of a haki user would be dealing full damage.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3271 Posts
February 01 2021 20:15 GMT
#31105
Isn't haki just basic strengthening? Similarly to how you can strengthen a blade, eye-/foresight or your ability to command people people are strengthening the hardness of their skin.

So I assume most people defensively strengthen the surface, but theoretically you could strengthen the part behind the surface to block Luffy's and possibly Law's attacks.

But yes Law's ability is totally busted on paper and so far lacks any checking rules (cost/limitations). As such Oda can't let it fully work on strong people, because else he'd have to be taken out of the fight every time at the start for the fight to be interesting.
low gravity, yes-yes!
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
February 01 2021 21:05 GMT
#31106
Well, we now have a new haki that can transmit through the body without having to touch the opponent, so I don't see why there can't be haki that can protect against that or harden the internal body. And then a new haki that can bypass that too and so on ad infinitum. All Oda has to do is come up with sillier names.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-02 03:44:55
February 02 2021 03:44 GMT
#31107
Its easy enough for me to just chalk up the lack of Law being completely OP with his fruit to 'difficulty of use'. We see him use it, but we don't really know much about what all is involved in doing so (other than it uses his stamina). Maybe all the OP possibilities are just either too hard to do consistently, or too strenuous?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
February 02 2021 04:27 GMT
#31108
On February 02 2021 12:44 Sentenal wrote:
Its easy enough for me to just chalk up the lack of Law being completely OP with his fruit to 'difficulty of use'. We see him use it, but we don't really know much about what all is involved in doing so (other than it uses his stamina). Maybe all the OP possibilities are just either too hard to do consistently, or too strenuous?


I kinda assume Law has to have intensive knowledge of what he's swapping or has to physically see it. Human hearts he knows about because it's in journals and shit and it's easily accessible info to obtain. Dragon hearts, he probably no jack shit about. Hence why he couldn't nab Kaido's heart even when he tried. He has to have this distinct visualizing of knowing what he swapping and where it's currently located.

Outside of that, ya... his ability is just straight up god mode and he should be instantly able to kill anyone in like 2sec. Stab in brain, done. Only reason he doesn't is because Oda is writing a story and Law isn't the MC.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3271 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-02 09:41:47
February 02 2021 09:39 GMT
#31109
On February 02 2021 12:44 Sentenal wrote:
Its easy enough for me to just chalk up the lack of Law being completely OP with his fruit to 'difficulty of use'. We see him use it, but we don't really know much about what all is involved in doing so (other than it uses his stamina). Maybe all the OP possibilities are just either too hard to do consistently, or too strenuous?

The way you'd normally handle stuff on the powerlevel of Law's ability as a writer was to add costs or limitations. If Law lost an organ every time he takes an organ out of someone he might try other things first. Or say his ability is very slow and locally limited and as such needs prolonged physical contact to pull the heart or the brain out and he can't stab things he hasn't pulled out.
But DFs don't really come with any limitations barring strain and weakness to the sea (which is mostly ignored nowadays).
low gravity, yes-yes!
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-02 16:42:10
February 02 2021 16:32 GMT
#31110
On February 02 2021 12:44 Sentenal wrote:
Its easy enough for me to just chalk up the lack of Law being completely OP with his fruit to 'difficulty of use'. We see him use it, but we don't really know much about what all is involved in doing so (other than it uses his stamina). Maybe all the OP possibilities are just either too hard to do consistently, or too strenuous?


Yeah this makes sense to me. My theory is that Law's ability is most useful when an object is at rest. That's why he can extract stuff from humans while they are sedated. I also think the reason his power is essential for Marie Jois is that it allows people to travel past a barrier impossible to otherwise break.

I think that before the great war, the people/race that lived in Marie Jois were super advanced or magical or something and they isolated themselves from all the other nations/races. I think the other nations were jealous and desperate and all banded together to conquer marie jois to steal their technology/wealth/powers. But I think certain things require certain fruits, which I think also came from this group of people. And perhaps there is some sort of portal/gateway to another realm/planet that you can't pass through without Law's power.

Edit: And I also think this is why they are called "devil fruits" and why the old language is the devil's language and why Robin was labeled a devil. Everything associated with this group of people is considered the devil, likely as a form of propaganda from the nations at the time to justify their greed-fueled war. So they labeled these advanced people as evil, banded together to conquer marie jois, but they aren't able to reap all the benefits of marie jois because they don't have all the right powers available to them.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
February 05 2021 10:48 GMT
#31111
ARE WE READY FOR HYBRID FORM KAIDO?

I certainly am, this is gettin' good.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
February 05 2021 15:16 GMT
#31112
I told you guys, Hybrid Kaido is gonna be his strongest form! But damn, I wasn't expecting CP0 to be just chilling on the Island.

I think that section at the end about defeating Kaido's executives is probably gonna be OP's way to segway back down under so they can show the various Sanji/Jinbe/Franky/etc fights. Might be a bit until we can see top side with Luffy and Zoro going ham again.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2057 Posts
February 05 2021 16:24 GMT
#31113
Hybrid Kaido, let's go

And yeah, now that Zoro is committed to fighting on the roof I'm wondering who will battle King. He's way more badass than Queen, the latter is almost like a comic relief at this stage in the arc.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
February 05 2021 16:31 GMT
#31114
Marco is still down there, so maybe he'll end up fighting King (for real this time).
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
February 05 2021 17:07 GMT
#31115
Queen got done kinda dirty by having to go up against Big Mom, its hard to be as comical as he is and also have him have mostly been shown losing without devaluing his power and the one of Kaido's Big Three.

Still love him though, easily my favorite part of Kaido's crew.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States924 Posts
February 05 2021 19:20 GMT
#31116
Lame.. same fight pattern. All we’re excited about is main fighte and power levels lol. We dont give a shit about whats happening beyond this situation
Life is just life
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2554 Posts
February 05 2021 21:59 GMT
#31117
Hybrid Kaido... who cares? He's the least interesting character in this arc and him turning into Barney isn't going to change that. We all know that (spoiler) Luffy is going to win this fight. I guess we just have to wait another 20 chapters to see it.

Wake me up when this fight is over and we get some actual plot progression.
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Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States924 Posts
February 06 2021 05:54 GMT
#31118
On February 06 2021 06:59 Hyperbola wrote:
Hybrid Kaido... who cares? He's the least interesting character in this arc and him turning into Barney isn't going to change that. We all know that (spoiler) Luffy is going to win this fight. I guess we just have to wait another 20 chapters to see it.

Wake me up when this fight is over and we get some actual plot progression.


exactly how i feel. One piece has become SO PREDICTABLE that nothing is really interesting now. We all know luffy gonna win vs Kaido/Big mom somehow. We all know 99% of our characters will live and have huge party. Can we get some actual plot progression into void history/one piece/joy boy? I honestly stopped giving a shit about fights ever since Oda decided to declare everyone can't die and luffy will always prevail. It's always about power levels and YONKO SO OP OMG. like really?
Life is just life
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
February 06 2021 06:34 GMT
#31119
This is a shonen, why would you expect any of the primary characters to be capable of death? There was never any chance any mainstay of the Straw Hats was ever going to die except maybe at the very last chapter or two
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18723 Posts
February 06 2021 08:05 GMT
#31120
On February 06 2021 14:54 Shinokuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2021 06:59 Hyperbola wrote:
Hybrid Kaido... who cares? He's the least interesting character in this arc and him turning into Barney isn't going to change that. We all know that (spoiler) Luffy is going to win this fight. I guess we just have to wait another 20 chapters to see it.

Wake me up when this fight is over and we get some actual plot progression.


exactly how i feel. One piece has become SO PREDICTABLE that nothing is really interesting now. We all know luffy gonna win vs Kaido/Big mom somehow. We all know 99% of our characters will live and have huge party. Can we get some actual plot progression into void history/one piece/joy boy? I honestly stopped giving a shit about fights ever since Oda decided to declare everyone can't die and luffy will always prevail. It's always about power levels and YONKO SO OP OMG. like really?


And when was this different in one piece?
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