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On September 15 2016 00:31 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2016 00:28 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On September 14 2016 23:19 Slaughter wrote:
Yea a lot of Nazi inspired decor. Also a very eugenics vibe. I think the sister can be redeemed, but the brothers/father need to get their faces caved in. Really? I think Reiju is probably the scariest one of them. Well she was the only one that didn't seem disgusted by Sanji's actions, actually seemed impressed so there could be some hope of redemption. Not to mention she saved Luffy's life at the start of this arc. #Reiju4NextStrawHat
She seemed more amused than impressed to me.
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omg we get it, Sanjis family are dickbags
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oda allways makes sure to make the reader know who´s evil. its allways black and white. One of the things that i disslike about one piece.
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Austria24422 Posts
I'm sure you saw the Water 7 CP9 revelation coming a mile away
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yeah and cp9 is supposed to be evil? They are working with the marines/governement. Spandam really seemed like a cool justice guy and not evil /sarcasm. Oda even makes people that arent supposed to be evil, bad guys just because luffy n co are gonna fight them.
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Austria24422 Posts
And before the shipwrights were revealed as CP9 you totally knew that they were evil
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On September 15 2016 19:31 sertas wrote:
yeah and cp9 is supposed to be evil? They are working with the marines/governement. Spandam really seemed like a cool justice guy and not evil /sarcasm. Oda even makes people that arent supposed to be evil, bad guys just because luffy n co are gonna fight them.
Are you implying that the straw hats should be fighting people who aren't evil to begin with?
Either way, smoker and co don't seem evil, neither does the broad-axe guy, neither does Magellan, etc. What about Buggy, Mr 3, etc. Guys who were dicks at first but ended up being OK with Luffy. I don't know I think there's a fair mix between evil and OK opponents.
Fuck, even CP9 wasn't all that evil, look at the cover story they got in their town vs the Candy Pirates. They aren't even evil, they're taking out a legitimate threat to the World Government in the form of Robin and Franky.
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but look how all the characters are introduced in one piece. They allways do some psychopathic thing when first introduced. Mr 3 made the giants kill eachoter for bounty then tried to turn all the crew into candles also cooperating with a mass murderer for power. Sure oda makes characters like these good guys later which is contradictory to their introductions
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Australia8855 Posts
what kind of introduction do you want a villain to have?
"hi im villain x. im a baddie and im going to kill people if you dont stop me. good luck"
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The Impel Down villains weren't evil and neither was Smoker both of which were villains for their arc. Luffy by trying to free Ace actually caused quite a lot of harm even freeing Crocodile who he knows caused many deaths. If it wasn't for Luffy causing the prison break/riot then Magellan would never have gotten desperate enough to release Shiliew, as Magellan alone would have been enough to stop Blackbeard. If Blackbeard had been stopped then not only would his terrible pirate crew be gone, but the lvl 6 prisoners would stay in Impel Down.
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On September 15 2016 21:01 sertas wrote:
but look how all the characters are introduced in one piece. They allways do some psychopathic thing when first introduced. Mr 3 made the giants kill eachoter for bounty then tried to turn all the crew into candles also cooperating with a mass murderer for power. Sure oda makes characters like these good guys later which is contradictory to their introductions
Luffy even said that he would never forgive Mr 3.
I think there's something that you're supposed to read in between the lines, when reading One Piece.
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On September 15 2016 19:31 sertas wrote:
yeah and cp9 is supposed to be evil? They are working with the marines/governement. Spandam really seemed like a cool justice guy and not evil /sarcasm. Oda even makes people that arent supposed to be evil, bad guys just because luffy n co are gonna fight them.
Just because you're working with the marines/government doesn't mean you're not evil. Crocodile, Caesar, Doflamingo etc. were all working with the government. The World Government itself seems to be evil as fuck with slavery, torture, assassinations, genocides and human experimentation.
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One Piece doesn't really do the shades of grey thing. People are usually presented as black and white, and when they do a heel face turn (usually after being knocked unconscious) it is extremely jarring and out of character. Just because Luffy is fine with their precense and assistance, it doesn't mean they wweren't acting in totally evil ways. Really, the only time you can say that thereis grey morality mostly concern the marine characters, and even then it is usually pretty clear who is presented as an evil villian and who is presented as a guy just trying to do his civil order job.
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On September 15 2016 18:56 sertas wrote:
oda allways makes sure to make the reader know who´s evil. its allways black and white. One of the things that i disslike about one piece.
up to your interpretation. Sanji's family is pretty much evil but I view the marines even Akainu as just. I love akainu as a character. He cuts out unnecessary bs and gets to the point. He immediately tries to kill anyone who stands as an obstacle to his justice. Unlike Luffy who never kills and wastes time on "adventure," Akainu gets to the point by doing whatever necessary he has to do. I view that as smart justice.
Also, i don't think blackbeard is even evil. He's just a pirate, taking advantage of things. He takes advantage of idiot Ace and casual whitebeard. He's nice to his crew and respects other peoples' dreams.
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United States97276 Posts
did you see the lightning bolts on Germa's banners? I think they worship Enel. Wouldn't be surprised if he's the real mastermind behind the family
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On September 16 2016 01:34 Shellshock wrote:
did you see the lightning bolts on Germa's banners? I think they worship Enel. Wouldn't be surprised if he's the real mastermind behind the family
Iron Skyish? xD
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On September 16 2016 01:07 Shinokuki wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2016 18:56 sertas wrote:
oda allways makes sure to make the reader know who´s evil. its allways black and white. One of the things that i disslike about one piece. up to your interpretation. Sanji's family is pretty much evil but I view the marines even Akainu as just. I love akainu as a character. He cuts out unnecessary bs and gets to the point. He immediately tries to kill anyone who stands as an obstacle to his justice. Unlike Luffy who never kills and wastes time on "adventure," Akainu gets to the point by doing whatever necessary he has to do. I view that as smart justice. Also, i don't think blackbeard is even evil. He's just a pirate, taking advantage of things. He takes advantage of idiot Ace and casual whitebeard. He's nice to his crew and respects other peoples' dreams.
What about when he opens fire on refugee ships carrying un-armed civilians, during a purge of a bunch of book reading scholars?
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On September 16 2016 02:16 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2016 01:07 Shinokuki wrote:On September 15 2016 18:56 sertas wrote:
oda allways makes sure to make the reader know who´s evil. its allways black and white. One of the things that i disslike about one piece. up to your interpretation. Sanji's family is pretty much evil but I view the marines even Akainu as just. I love akainu as a character. He cuts out unnecessary bs and gets to the point. He immediately tries to kill anyone who stands as an obstacle to his justice. Unlike Luffy who never kills and wastes time on "adventure," Akainu gets to the point by doing whatever necessary he has to do. I view that as smart justice. Also, i don't think blackbeard is even evil. He's just a pirate, taking advantage of things. He takes advantage of idiot Ace and casual whitebeard. He's nice to his crew and respects other peoples' dreams. What about when he opens fire on refugee ships carrying un-armed civilians, during a purge of a bunch of book reading scholars?
which was also against his orders to safely evacuate civilians
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On September 16 2016 02:16 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2016 01:07 Shinokuki wrote:On September 15 2016 18:56 sertas wrote:
oda allways makes sure to make the reader know who´s evil. its allways black and white. One of the things that i disslike about one piece. up to your interpretation. Sanji's family is pretty much evil but I view the marines even Akainu as just. I love akainu as a character. He cuts out unnecessary bs and gets to the point. He immediately tries to kill anyone who stands as an obstacle to his justice. Unlike Luffy who never kills and wastes time on "adventure," Akainu gets to the point by doing whatever necessary he has to do. I view that as smart justice. Also, i don't think blackbeard is even evil. He's just a pirate, taking advantage of things. He takes advantage of idiot Ace and casual whitebeard. He's nice to his crew and respects other peoples' dreams. What about when he opens fire on refugee ships carrying un-armed civilians, during a purge of a bunch of book reading scholars?
because obviously what oraha may potentially discover is something the world government doesn't want found out in the first place.
i'm with akainu on this one.
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On September 16 2016 02:48 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2016 02:16 Sentenal wrote:On September 16 2016 01:07 Shinokuki wrote:On September 15 2016 18:56 sertas wrote:
oda allways makes sure to make the reader know who´s evil. its allways black and white. One of the things that i disslike about one piece. up to your interpretation. Sanji's family is pretty much evil but I view the marines even Akainu as just. I love akainu as a character. He cuts out unnecessary bs and gets to the point. He immediately tries to kill anyone who stands as an obstacle to his justice. Unlike Luffy who never kills and wastes time on "adventure," Akainu gets to the point by doing whatever necessary he has to do. I view that as smart justice. Also, i don't think blackbeard is even evil. He's just a pirate, taking advantage of things. He takes advantage of idiot Ace and casual whitebeard. He's nice to his crew and respects other peoples' dreams. What about when he opens fire on refugee ships carrying un-armed civilians, during a purge of a bunch of book reading scholars? because obviously what oraha may potentially discover is something the world government doesn't want found out in the first place. i'm with akainu on this one.
I agree, he even explains it. If even one scholar escaped on those ships hidden away, then "Every single sacrifice made today would have been wasted."
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