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On June 09 2016 03:17 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 03:02 BlackMagister wrote:
Hasn't also been demonstrated in this arc that the crew would literally die without Sanji because Luffy is a glutton and an idiot. Not only did he eat all their rations he ate a super poisonous thing. It's like Oda was trying to show how important a cook is on a crew. and then 2 pages later Nami cooks the fish they catch deliciously
That's like saying they don't need Franky as a shipwright because they have Usopp. Usopp can do some repairs and maintenance, but he would be following Franky's lead, like Nami using Sanji's recipe, and would still need Franky for more advanced repairs. Like how Nami wasn't able to identify a poisonous fish right away or stop Luffy from wasting a week's worth of food.
Oda went out of his way to show why Sanji was necessary. Even if it wasn't someone with a vital role Luffy would always prioritize saving his crew over anything else because he cares about them as if they were family.
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On June 09 2016 04:18 BlackMagister wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 03:17 Forikorder wrote:On June 09 2016 03:02 BlackMagister wrote:
Hasn't also been demonstrated in this arc that the crew would literally die without Sanji because Luffy is a glutton and an idiot. Not only did he eat all their rations he ate a super poisonous thing. It's like Oda was trying to show how important a cook is on a crew. and then 2 pages later Nami cooks the fish they catch deliciously That's like saying they don't need Franky as a shipwright because they have Usopp. Usopp can do some repairs and maintenance, but he would be following Franky's lead, like Nami using Sanji's recipe, and would still need Franky for more advanced repairs. Like how Nami wasn't able to identify a poisonous fish right away or stop Luffy from wasting a week's worth of food. Oda went out of his way to show why Sanji was necessary. Even if it wasn't someone with a vital role Luffy would always prioritize saving his crew over anything else because he cares about them as if they were family.
theres a big difference between repairing a ship and feeding the crew
also dont forget on there way to alibasta Luffy ate all there food even with Sanji there and they nearly starved to death
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On June 09 2016 01:12 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 01:06 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On June 09 2016 00:17 Forikorder wrote:Getting Nami back was then technically a detour from getting to the grandline, their main destination at the time. getting Nami back was needed to even get to the grandline though, none of them could navigate at all
Getting Ace back was then technically a detour from regrouping with the crew, Luffys destination at the time
Luffy changed his destination, getting Ace back was far more important so he put reuniting on hold and went to rescue ace
Getting Robin back was then technically a detour from getting to the new world, their main destination at the time.
at that point in there story they didnt even know how to get to the new world hell im not even sure they had heard the term new world at that point in the story It's funny how stupid your argument sounds when applied to other situations right the only thing thats funny is you think you made a coherent argument Luffy changed his destination, getting Sanji back was far more important so he put beating up Kaido on hold and went to rescue Sanji. which would only work if Luffy considered this a "rescue" hes just going to pick up Sanji
Pretty sure you're trolling at this point. Low for even you man lol. Can't believe you just said that.
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On June 09 2016 06:43 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 01:12 Forikorder wrote:On June 09 2016 01:06 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On June 09 2016 00:17 Forikorder wrote:Getting Nami back was then technically a detour from getting to the grandline, their main destination at the time. getting Nami back was needed to even get to the grandline though, none of them could navigate at all
Getting Ace back was then technically a detour from regrouping with the crew, Luffys destination at the time
Luffy changed his destination, getting Ace back was far more important so he put reuniting on hold and went to rescue ace
Getting Robin back was then technically a detour from getting to the new world, their main destination at the time.
at that point in there story they didnt even know how to get to the new world hell im not even sure they had heard the term new world at that point in the story It's funny how stupid your argument sounds when applied to other situations right the only thing thats funny is you think you made a coherent argument Luffy changed his destination, getting Sanji back was far more important so he put beating up Kaido on hold and went to rescue Sanji. which would only work if Luffy considered this a "rescue" hes just going to pick up Sanji Pretty sure you're trolling at this point. Low for even you man lol. Can't believe you just said that.
Sanji still seems fairly convinced hes just going to find a way to walk away from it all since he told pudding hes not marrying her
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El oh el, are you really claiming that they're not trying to rescue Sanji? >_>
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On June 09 2016 07:38 Zambrah wrote:
El oh el, are you really claiming that they're not trying to rescue Sanji? >_>
are you related to Sentenal by any chance?
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On June 09 2016 07:44 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 07:38 Zambrah wrote:
El oh el, are you really claiming that they're not trying to rescue Sanji? >_> are you related to Sentenal by any chance?
Full Definition of rescue
rescued
rescuing
transitive verb
: to free from confinement, danger, or evil : save, deliver: as
a : to take (as a prisoner) forcibly from custody
b : to recover (as a prize) by force
What Luffy thinks hes doing doesn't have any bearing on whether or not Luffy is going to take Sanji forcibly from Big Mom's custody.
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On June 08 2016 23:32 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 21:49 Sentenal wrote:On June 08 2016 21:09 Forikorder wrote:On June 08 2016 14:29 sharkie wrote:On June 08 2016 13:31 Forikorder wrote:On June 08 2016 13:17 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On June 08 2016 13:02 Forikorder wrote:On June 08 2016 12:53 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On June 08 2016 12:47 Forikorder wrote:On June 08 2016 12:46 Sentenal wrote:
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Thats like saying "the only reason for going to Enies Lobby is to rescue Robin, if Robin wasn't taken they would have gone forward on the Grand Line, therefore Enies Lobby was a side plot" but going to enies lobby didnt distract them from anything else, they had no other goal or destination in mind Really now? The Straw Hats had no other goals in mind? Not you know advancing in the Grand Line, getting to the new world and becoming Pirate King. No one wanted that... It's not like basically every member of the crew has a specific goal they are looking to achieve or anything. Not like achieving this goal is the entire basis for the series or anything. But naw they had nothing else they wanted to do. so are you trolling or just actually didnt understand what i meant because its very hard to tell Honestly trolling a bit at this point because your points are just too bad to even merit proper responses anymore. Basically what I'm trying to say is, by using your logic every single arc so far is a side plot. The main goal set was to get to Raftel, everything else has been a detour because of some event like Sanji being kidnapped etc. Every reason you've mentioned for this being a side plot can be applied to going up against Kaido and basically every other arc that has happened in One Piece. teeeeeeechnically but they cant just go to raftel whenever they want to they have to advance through the grand line island by island also dont forget when it comes down to it, Luffy doesnt REALLY care about finding one piece, he cares alot more about the journey then the destination thats why he would have actually quit if Rayleigh told him where one piece was Raftel is too much of a long term goal for one piece to actually focus on it, so it doesnt it has a bunch of other adventures that Luffy gets into in the process of him heading to Raftel when he first enters the grand line defeating Crocodile became his goal, exploring sky island became a goal e.t.c some goals are large like taking down Croc, some are smaller like rescuing Robin right now, getting to Raftel isnt the main thing in Luffys mind because now his immediate goal is to take down Kaidou, maybe after he does it will be Big Mam or something else, but while Raftel will always be one of Luffys goal he has no problem ignoring it for a more immediate adventure anyway from a storytelling perspective Kaidou, his minions and Wano have been hyped and now its "well get back to that after this short break on cake island" The only thing in Luffys mind right now is Sanji and thus his immediate goal is not to take down Kaidou but to get Sanji back... yes but aside from getting back sanji, theres no reason at all for them to be going to whole cake island, its a detour yes but aside from getting back robin, theres no reason at all for them to be going to enies lobby, its a detour yes but aside from getting back ace, theres no reason at all for them to be going to impel down, its a detour yes but aside from getting back nami, theres no reason at all for them to be going to arlong park, its a detour your not clear on what a detour is are you?
They were all detours and side plots, according to you. They had a map to the Grand Line, but Luffy decided to go get Nami first. They had the Log Pose and the ability to leave Water 7 to go to Fishman Island, but Luffy decided to go get Robin first. Luffy had Vivre Cards to reunite with his crew and continue his journey on the Grand Line, but decided to go save Ace.
Every situation is exactly the same as this. Luffy could go do something else, but he decides to go get Sanji. Because Luffy thinks getting Sanji is more important. That makes this the main plot. I find it both hilarious that you can be so condencending and wrong at the same time. When this arc turns reveals itself to be really big, you can be sure I will remind you of this, just so you have a constant reminder of all the times you were stubbornly wrong. 
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What Luffy thinks hes doing doesn't have any bearing on whether or not Luffy is going to take Sanji forcibly from Big Mom's custody.
but it does have alot of bearing on wether or not Luffy is currently going to rescue someone
so while Luffy is going to rescue Sanji, Luffy is not going to rescue sanji
and you can thank the abomination that is the english language for that sentence which does make sense
They had a map to the Grand Line, but Luffy decided to go get Nami first.
they would need ALOT more then a map for them to row there shitty backup boat into the grand line, since in case you forgot, they didnt have there ship and had already sent Zoro after her
They had the Log Pose and the ability to leave Water 7 to go to Fishman Island, but Luffy decided to go get Robin first.
1. they pissed off Luffy by stealing his crew member and Sanji went with them so bare minimum he needed to be collected
2. they also did not have a boat to sail with in that situation anyway, nor money in which to purchase a new one so were actually stranded on water seven with nothing better to do
Luffy had Vivre Cards to reunite with his crew and continue his journey on the Grand Line, but decided to go save Ace.
i think its kinda obvious which one was more urgent (hint his crew survived 3 years alone)
and did i mention they decided not to meet up until 3 years later? and even before then werent meeting up for another 2 weeks? he had time to go on a solo adventure and still make it back in time
Every situation is exactly the same as this.
really? cause in this situation they have a boat, a navigator to sail it and an extremely urgent destination
and in none of the other situation did Luffy have access to all 3, especially the urgent destination part
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why do you even tlak to Forikorder anymore?
i might get a warning for this, but Forikorder must be one of the !10 most stupid yet highly convinced of themselves people" on this planet.
ridiculous every freaking time.
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On June 09 2016 10:53 KalWarkov wrote:
why do you even tlak to Forikorder anymore?
i might get a warning for this, but Forikorder must be one of the !10 most stupid yet highly convinced of themselves people" on this planet.
ridiculous every freaking time.
well im arguing with the 9 people above me so im not concerned
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they would need ALOT more then a map for them to row there shitty backup boat into the grand line, since in case you forgot, they didnt have there ship and had already sent Zoro after her They'd get to Nami's village, meet up with Zoro and get Going Merry, and then leave. Thats what literally everyone other than Luffy wanted them to do. But no, took a detour to Arlong Park to fight Arlong. Luffy beating Arlong was a side story and completely unncessary according to Forikorder.
1. they pissed off Luffy by stealing his crew member and Sanji went with them so bare minimum he needed to be collected
2. they also did not have a boat to sail with in that situation anyway, nor money in which to purchase a new one so were actually stranded on water seven with nothing better to do
For being stranded on Water 7, they sure were able to leave and go to Enies Lobby fine, not to mention they still had enough to buy a ship. But the crew decided to take a detour to Enies Lobby. The whole Enies Lobby arc was a side story and completely unnecessary according to Forikorder.
I also find it unbelievably hilarious your evidence for them having to go to Enies Lobby was "Sanji went there and they had to go pick him up". 10/10 Forik
i think its kinda obvious which one was more urgent (hint his crew survived 3 years alone)
and did i mention they decided not to meet up until 3 years later? and even before then werent meeting up for another 2 weeks? he had time to go on a solo adventure and still make it back in time
They decided not to meet up for 3 years after the fact. The rest of the crew was still working to get back to Shabondy until after Marineford. But it was still a side plot, according to you.
btw Luffy going after Sanji is more urgent than going to Wano.
You have all these different situations of the main plot following Luffy prioritizing his crew, and then you come in hot here and say that they are somehow different from this one.
On June 09 2016 10:53 KalWarkov wrote:
why do you even tlak to Forikorder anymore?
i might get a warning for this, but Forikorder must be one of the !10 most stupid yet highly convinced of themselves people" on this planet.
ridiculous every freaking time.
I suppose we are a bit masochistic and want to punish ourselves with dealing with this stupid shit.
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They'd get to Nami's village, meet up with Zoro and get Going Merry, and then leave. Thats what literally everyone other than Luffy wanted them to do. But no, took a detour to Arlong Park to fight Arlong. Luffy beating Arlong was a side story and completely unncessary according to Forikorder.
so are you just completely ignoring how critical navigators are or....?
For being stranded on Water 7, they sure were able to leave and go to Enies Lobby fine, not to mention they still had enough to buy a ship. But the crew decided to take a detour to Enies Lobby. The whole Enies Lobby arc was a side story and completely unnecessary according to Forikorder.
the train they took could only really go to one place though
I also find it unbelievably hilarious your evidence for them having to go to Enies Lobby was "Sanji went there and they had to go pick him up". 10/10 Forik
okay so were ignoring the main reasons i mentioned
They decided not to meet up for 3 years after the fact. The rest of the crew was still working to get back to Shabondy until after Marineford. But it was still a side plot, according to you.
1. no it wasnt marineford was more important so obv not a side plot
2. they werent meeting up for 2 weeks at earliest
btw Luffy going after Sanji is more urgent than going to Wano.
how is rescuing one crewmate more important then stopping Kaidou from wiping out there entire crew?
You have all these different situations of the main plot following Luffy prioritizing his crew, and then you come in hot here and say that they are somehow different from this one.
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it has nothing to do with him prioritizing his crew
do you actually speak english or are you just guessing what im saying?
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So basically, "if I don't think its important, its a side plot no matter how important it actually is, and its different from all the other things that its completely identical to". Plus he argues both for and against himself in the same post, all while acting completely self-convinced, while acting like other people have problems with english. Classic Forikorder.
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sentenal vs forikorder is a preview for luffy vs akainu
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On June 09 2016 12:20 Sentenal wrote:
So basically, "if I don't think its important, its a side plot no matter how important it actually is, and its different from all the other things that its completely identical to". Plus he argues both for and against himself in the same post, all while acting completely self-convinced, while acting like other people have problems with english. Classic Forikorder.
seriously though do you speak english?
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Why yes, yes I do Forikorder. However as a rare case with you, this isn't you simply lacking command of the english language to say stupid shit like "gas isn't a state of matter". This is essentially you saying "all those other situations don't count because of <excuses>, but those <same excuses> don't apply here because I say so!" So here, its just you being stubborn. And its fairly obvious when practically every single person who has posted their thoughts on this are also saying as much. Its similar to "Doflamingo and the World Nobles are working together, and are friends" and "Oda never foreshadows". But I can understand you wanting to try and shift the target from the actual discussion to "derrr u no spek engrish", since afterall, distraction is a valid tactic if bought into.
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On June 09 2016 12:51 Sentenal wrote:
Why yes, yes I do Forikorder. However as a rare case with you, this isn't you simply lacking command of the english language to say stupid shit like "gas isn't a state of matter". This is essentially you saying "all those other situations don't count because of <excuses>, but those <same excuses> don't apply here because I say so!" So here, its just you being stubborn. And its fairly obvious when practically every single person who has posted their thoughts on this are also saying as much. Its similar to "Doflamingo and the World Nobles are working together, and are friends" and "Oda never foreshadows". But I can understand you wanting to try and shift the target from the actual discussion to "derrr u no spek engrish", since afterall, distraction is a valid tactic if bought into.
im going to try once more in case your actually being serious
on Punk Hazard Luffy and Co set the immediate goal of taking down Kaidou, there is nothing in any way stopping them from taking action towards that goal and time is a VERY critical factor they need to work with since fighting him head on... is not going to work
Sanji got "kidnapped" for unrelated reasons, and taken to an unrelated place that Luffy is now going to on the way to get to Wano, it is by all definitions a detour and does not (as far as we know) relate AT ALL to taking down Kaidou
if Sanji did not get "kidnapped" then it would not in any way effect the story of them taking down Kaidou at all aside from Luffy arriving in Wano much sooner then he is going to be arriving there
as far as i can tell theres just no reason to be doing this now and it could just as easily happen afterwards
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One Piece isn't about taking down Kaido. That is simply one plot line among many. Its one of the many currently ongoing plotlines such as how Luffy said he'd kick Big Mom's ass back in Fishman Island. The current plot line should deal with important events such as getting Sanji back (which is really fuckin important considering how important Sanji is to One Piece), Reverie, Jinbei finally joining up, and getting Big Mom's portion of the map to Raftel (you know, the actual plot of One Piece). Implying that such a plotline is secondary and unimportant is insane.
And was the manga itself is showing, the Kaido storyline and objective is infact completely secondary to Luffy currently, which in turn makes it secondary to the plot. Luffy's current primary objective is to get Sanji back. And this is shown to be 100% without a doubt by the current arc.
Furthermore, if Luffy went after Sanji later, then it would be too late, as Sanji would be married, killed by Big Mom, or <whatever the fuck will happen with this Youkou Clash>. There are a lot of things going on, but just as how Luffy couldn't simply do something else and come back to help Robin and Ace later, Luffy has to go get Sanji now, otherwise he will never be coming back to the crew.
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