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On June 08 2016 13:31 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 13:17 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On June 08 2016 13:02 Forikorder wrote:On June 08 2016 12:53 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On June 08 2016 12:47 Forikorder wrote:On June 08 2016 12:46 Sentenal wrote:On June 08 2016 12:38 Forikorder wrote:On June 08 2016 12:33 Sentenal wrote:
Getting Sanji back is just a side plot according to you. Therefore is not important to the plot. Or are you saying that getting Sanji back is important to the plot? the only reason there going to whole cake island is to rescue sanji, thats it, if Sanji had not been taken they would have gone to Wano do you agree with that? Thats like saying "the only reason for going to Enies Lobby is to rescue Robin, if Robin wasn't taken they would have gone forward on the Grand Line, therefore Enies Lobby was a side plot" but going to enies lobby didnt distract them from anything else, they had no other goal or destination in mind Really now? The Straw Hats had no other goals in mind? Not you know advancing in the Grand Line, getting to the new world and becoming Pirate King. No one wanted that... It's not like basically every member of the crew has a specific goal they are looking to achieve or anything. Not like achieving this goal is the entire basis for the series or anything. But naw they had nothing else they wanted to do. so are you trolling or just actually didnt understand what i meant because its very hard to tell Honestly trolling a bit at this point because your points are just too bad to even merit proper responses anymore. Basically what I'm trying to say is, by using your logic every single arc so far is a side plot. The main goal set was to get to Raftel, everything else has been a detour because of some event like Sanji being kidnapped etc. Every reason you've mentioned for this being a side plot can be applied to going up against Kaido and basically every other arc that has happened in One Piece. teeeeeeechnically but they cant just go to raftel whenever they want to they have to advance through the grand line island by island also dont forget when it comes down to it, Luffy doesnt REALLY care about finding one piece, he cares alot more about the journey then the destination thats why he would have actually quit if Rayleigh told him where one piece was Raftel is too much of a long term goal for one piece to actually focus on it, so it doesnt it has a bunch of other adventures that Luffy gets into in the process of him heading to Raftel when he first enters the grand line defeating Crocodile became his goal, exploring sky island became a goal e.t.c some goals are large like taking down Croc, some are smaller like rescuing Robin right now, getting to Raftel isnt the main thing in Luffys mind because now his immediate goal is to take down Kaidou, maybe after he does it will be Big Mam or something else, but while Raftel will always be one of Luffys goal he has no problem ignoring it for a more immediate adventure anyway from a storytelling perspective Kaidou, his minions and Wano have been hyped and now its "well get back to that after this short break on cake island"
The only thing in Luffys mind right now is Sanji and thus his immediate goal is not to take down Kaidou but to get Sanji back...
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On June 08 2016 18:45 Makro wrote:
you're all wrong
you're right.
Which immediately makes your argument invalid.
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What i take from the latest pages of comments is that Oda apparently does forshadow.. don't know why Forik says that after 2 or 3 pages of saying otherwise
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I skipped the last two or three pages. Go me!
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On June 08 2016 14:29 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 13:31 Forikorder wrote:On June 08 2016 13:17 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On June 08 2016 13:02 Forikorder wrote:On June 08 2016 12:53 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On June 08 2016 12:47 Forikorder wrote:On June 08 2016 12:46 Sentenal wrote:On June 08 2016 12:38 Forikorder wrote:On June 08 2016 12:33 Sentenal wrote:
Getting Sanji back is just a side plot according to you. Therefore is not important to the plot. Or are you saying that getting Sanji back is important to the plot? the only reason there going to whole cake island is to rescue sanji, thats it, if Sanji had not been taken they would have gone to Wano do you agree with that? Thats like saying "the only reason for going to Enies Lobby is to rescue Robin, if Robin wasn't taken they would have gone forward on the Grand Line, therefore Enies Lobby was a side plot" but going to enies lobby didnt distract them from anything else, they had no other goal or destination in mind Really now? The Straw Hats had no other goals in mind? Not you know advancing in the Grand Line, getting to the new world and becoming Pirate King. No one wanted that... It's not like basically every member of the crew has a specific goal they are looking to achieve or anything. Not like achieving this goal is the entire basis for the series or anything. But naw they had nothing else they wanted to do. so are you trolling or just actually didnt understand what i meant because its very hard to tell Honestly trolling a bit at this point because your points are just too bad to even merit proper responses anymore. Basically what I'm trying to say is, by using your logic every single arc so far is a side plot. The main goal set was to get to Raftel, everything else has been a detour because of some event like Sanji being kidnapped etc. Every reason you've mentioned for this being a side plot can be applied to going up against Kaido and basically every other arc that has happened in One Piece. teeeeeeechnically but they cant just go to raftel whenever they want to they have to advance through the grand line island by island also dont forget when it comes down to it, Luffy doesnt REALLY care about finding one piece, he cares alot more about the journey then the destination thats why he would have actually quit if Rayleigh told him where one piece was Raftel is too much of a long term goal for one piece to actually focus on it, so it doesnt it has a bunch of other adventures that Luffy gets into in the process of him heading to Raftel when he first enters the grand line defeating Crocodile became his goal, exploring sky island became a goal e.t.c some goals are large like taking down Croc, some are smaller like rescuing Robin right now, getting to Raftel isnt the main thing in Luffys mind because now his immediate goal is to take down Kaidou, maybe after he does it will be Big Mam or something else, but while Raftel will always be one of Luffys goal he has no problem ignoring it for a more immediate adventure anyway from a storytelling perspective Kaidou, his minions and Wano have been hyped and now its "well get back to that after this short break on cake island" The only thing in Luffys mind right now is Sanji and thus his immediate goal is not to take down Kaidou but to get Sanji back...
yes but aside from getting back sanji, theres no reason at all for them to be going to whole cake island, its a detour
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On June 08 2016 21:09 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 14:29 sharkie wrote:On June 08 2016 13:31 Forikorder wrote:On June 08 2016 13:17 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On June 08 2016 13:02 Forikorder wrote:On June 08 2016 12:53 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On June 08 2016 12:47 Forikorder wrote:On June 08 2016 12:46 Sentenal wrote:On June 08 2016 12:38 Forikorder wrote:On June 08 2016 12:33 Sentenal wrote:
Getting Sanji back is just a side plot according to you. Therefore is not important to the plot. Or are you saying that getting Sanji back is important to the plot? the only reason there going to whole cake island is to rescue sanji, thats it, if Sanji had not been taken they would have gone to Wano do you agree with that? Thats like saying "the only reason for going to Enies Lobby is to rescue Robin, if Robin wasn't taken they would have gone forward on the Grand Line, therefore Enies Lobby was a side plot" but going to enies lobby didnt distract them from anything else, they had no other goal or destination in mind Really now? The Straw Hats had no other goals in mind? Not you know advancing in the Grand Line, getting to the new world and becoming Pirate King. No one wanted that... It's not like basically every member of the crew has a specific goal they are looking to achieve or anything. Not like achieving this goal is the entire basis for the series or anything. But naw they had nothing else they wanted to do. so are you trolling or just actually didnt understand what i meant because its very hard to tell Honestly trolling a bit at this point because your points are just too bad to even merit proper responses anymore. Basically what I'm trying to say is, by using your logic every single arc so far is a side plot. The main goal set was to get to Raftel, everything else has been a detour because of some event like Sanji being kidnapped etc. Every reason you've mentioned for this being a side plot can be applied to going up against Kaido and basically every other arc that has happened in One Piece. teeeeeeechnically but they cant just go to raftel whenever they want to they have to advance through the grand line island by island also dont forget when it comes down to it, Luffy doesnt REALLY care about finding one piece, he cares alot more about the journey then the destination thats why he would have actually quit if Rayleigh told him where one piece was Raftel is too much of a long term goal for one piece to actually focus on it, so it doesnt it has a bunch of other adventures that Luffy gets into in the process of him heading to Raftel when he first enters the grand line defeating Crocodile became his goal, exploring sky island became a goal e.t.c some goals are large like taking down Croc, some are smaller like rescuing Robin right now, getting to Raftel isnt the main thing in Luffys mind because now his immediate goal is to take down Kaidou, maybe after he does it will be Big Mam or something else, but while Raftel will always be one of Luffys goal he has no problem ignoring it for a more immediate adventure anyway from a storytelling perspective Kaidou, his minions and Wano have been hyped and now its "well get back to that after this short break on cake island" The only thing in Luffys mind right now is Sanji and thus his immediate goal is not to take down Kaidou but to get Sanji back... yes but aside from getting back sanji, theres no reason at all for them to be going to whole cake island, its a detour
yes but aside from getting back robin, theres no reason at all for them to be going to enies lobby, its a detour
yes but aside from getting back ace, theres no reason at all for them to be going to impel down, its a detour
yes but aside from getting back nami, theres no reason at all for them to be going to arlong park, its a detour
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Austria24417 Posts
I like that the one time it was admitted that Oda does foreshadow, it was about something that isn't foreshadowing. When Luffy talks to Big Mom at Fishman Island it sets up a later confrontation. It's a part of the plot.
Foreshadowing is subtly hinting at something that happens further down the line. This is a straight up confrontation, it doesn't get any less subtle.
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On June 08 2016 21:49 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 21:09 Forikorder wrote:On June 08 2016 14:29 sharkie wrote:On June 08 2016 13:31 Forikorder wrote:On June 08 2016 13:17 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On June 08 2016 13:02 Forikorder wrote:On June 08 2016 12:53 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On June 08 2016 12:47 Forikorder wrote:On June 08 2016 12:46 Sentenal wrote:On June 08 2016 12:38 Forikorder wrote:
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the only reason there going to whole cake island is to rescue sanji, thats it, if Sanji had not been taken they would have gone to Wano
do you agree with that? Thats like saying "the only reason for going to Enies Lobby is to rescue Robin, if Robin wasn't taken they would have gone forward on the Grand Line, therefore Enies Lobby was a side plot" but going to enies lobby didnt distract them from anything else, they had no other goal or destination in mind Really now? The Straw Hats had no other goals in mind? Not you know advancing in the Grand Line, getting to the new world and becoming Pirate King. No one wanted that... It's not like basically every member of the crew has a specific goal they are looking to achieve or anything. Not like achieving this goal is the entire basis for the series or anything. But naw they had nothing else they wanted to do. so are you trolling or just actually didnt understand what i meant because its very hard to tell Honestly trolling a bit at this point because your points are just too bad to even merit proper responses anymore. Basically what I'm trying to say is, by using your logic every single arc so far is a side plot. The main goal set was to get to Raftel, everything else has been a detour because of some event like Sanji being kidnapped etc. Every reason you've mentioned for this being a side plot can be applied to going up against Kaido and basically every other arc that has happened in One Piece. teeeeeeechnically but they cant just go to raftel whenever they want to they have to advance through the grand line island by island also dont forget when it comes down to it, Luffy doesnt REALLY care about finding one piece, he cares alot more about the journey then the destination thats why he would have actually quit if Rayleigh told him where one piece was Raftel is too much of a long term goal for one piece to actually focus on it, so it doesnt it has a bunch of other adventures that Luffy gets into in the process of him heading to Raftel when he first enters the grand line defeating Crocodile became his goal, exploring sky island became a goal e.t.c some goals are large like taking down Croc, some are smaller like rescuing Robin right now, getting to Raftel isnt the main thing in Luffys mind because now his immediate goal is to take down Kaidou, maybe after he does it will be Big Mam or something else, but while Raftel will always be one of Luffys goal he has no problem ignoring it for a more immediate adventure anyway from a storytelling perspective Kaidou, his minions and Wano have been hyped and now its "well get back to that after this short break on cake island" The only thing in Luffys mind right now is Sanji and thus his immediate goal is not to take down Kaidou but to get Sanji back... yes but aside from getting back sanji, theres no reason at all for them to be going to whole cake island, its a detour yes but aside from getting back robin, theres no reason at all for them to be going to enies lobby, its a detour yes but aside from getting back ace, theres no reason at all for them to be going to impel down, its a detour yes but aside from getting back nami, theres no reason at all for them to be going to arlong park, its a detour
your not clear on what a detour is are you?
I like that the one time it was admitted that Oda does foreshadow
theres tons of foreshadowing about the mysterious "will of D"
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On June 08 2016 23:32 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 21:49 Sentenal wrote:On June 08 2016 21:09 Forikorder wrote:On June 08 2016 14:29 sharkie wrote:On June 08 2016 13:31 Forikorder wrote:On June 08 2016 13:17 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On June 08 2016 13:02 Forikorder wrote:On June 08 2016 12:53 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On June 08 2016 12:47 Forikorder wrote:On June 08 2016 12:46 Sentenal wrote:
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Thats like saying "the only reason for going to Enies Lobby is to rescue Robin, if Robin wasn't taken they would have gone forward on the Grand Line, therefore Enies Lobby was a side plot" but going to enies lobby didnt distract them from anything else, they had no other goal or destination in mind Really now? The Straw Hats had no other goals in mind? Not you know advancing in the Grand Line, getting to the new world and becoming Pirate King. No one wanted that... It's not like basically every member of the crew has a specific goal they are looking to achieve or anything. Not like achieving this goal is the entire basis for the series or anything. But naw they had nothing else they wanted to do. so are you trolling or just actually didnt understand what i meant because its very hard to tell Honestly trolling a bit at this point because your points are just too bad to even merit proper responses anymore. Basically what I'm trying to say is, by using your logic every single arc so far is a side plot. The main goal set was to get to Raftel, everything else has been a detour because of some event like Sanji being kidnapped etc. Every reason you've mentioned for this being a side plot can be applied to going up against Kaido and basically every other arc that has happened in One Piece. teeeeeeechnically but they cant just go to raftel whenever they want to they have to advance through the grand line island by island also dont forget when it comes down to it, Luffy doesnt REALLY care about finding one piece, he cares alot more about the journey then the destination thats why he would have actually quit if Rayleigh told him where one piece was Raftel is too much of a long term goal for one piece to actually focus on it, so it doesnt it has a bunch of other adventures that Luffy gets into in the process of him heading to Raftel when he first enters the grand line defeating Crocodile became his goal, exploring sky island became a goal e.t.c some goals are large like taking down Croc, some are smaller like rescuing Robin right now, getting to Raftel isnt the main thing in Luffys mind because now his immediate goal is to take down Kaidou, maybe after he does it will be Big Mam or something else, but while Raftel will always be one of Luffys goal he has no problem ignoring it for a more immediate adventure anyway from a storytelling perspective Kaidou, his minions and Wano have been hyped and now its "well get back to that after this short break on cake island" The only thing in Luffys mind right now is Sanji and thus his immediate goal is not to take down Kaidou but to get Sanji back... yes but aside from getting back sanji, theres no reason at all for them to be going to whole cake island, its a detour yes but aside from getting back robin, theres no reason at all for them to be going to enies lobby, its a detour yes but aside from getting back ace, theres no reason at all for them to be going to impel down, its a detour yes but aside from getting back nami, theres no reason at all for them to be going to arlong park, its a detour your not clear on what a detour is are you? theres tons of foreshadowing about the mysterious "will of D"
Detour - "a long or roundabout route taken to avoid something or to visit somewhere along the way"
Getting Nami back was then technically a detour from getting to the grandline, their main destination at the time.
Getting Ace back was then technically a detour from regrouping with the crew, Luffys destination at the time
Getting Robin back was then technically a detour from getting to the new world, their main destination at the time.
It's funny how stupid your argument sounds when applied to other situations right? You're literally arguing against your own logic right now. None of these arcs are side plots, and yet by your own standards applied to this arc they would be considered as such. You can now see how stupid you sound to everyone else when you claim this arc is a side plot.
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Getting Nami back was then technically a detour from getting to the grandline, their main destination at the time.
getting Nami back was needed to even get to the grandline though, none of them could navigate at all
Getting Ace back was then technically a detour from regrouping with the crew, Luffys destination at the time
Luffy changed his destination, getting Ace back was far more important so he put reuniting on hold and went to rescue ace
Getting Robin back was then technically a detour from getting to the new world, their main destination at the time.
at that point in there story they didnt even know how to get to the new world
hell im not even sure they had heard the term new world at that point in the story
It's funny how stupid your argument sounds when applied to other situations right
the only thing thats funny is you think you made a coherent argument
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On June 09 2016 00:17 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +Getting Nami back was then technically a detour from getting to the grandline, their main destination at the time. getting Nami back was needed to even get to the grandline though, none of them could navigate at all Show nested quote +
Getting Ace back was then technically a detour from regrouping with the crew, Luffys destination at the time
Luffy changed his destination, getting Ace back was far more important so he put reuniting on hold and went to rescue ace Show nested quote +
Getting Robin back was then technically a detour from getting to the new world, their main destination at the time.
at that point in there story they didnt even know how to get to the new world hell im not even sure they had heard the term new world at that point in the story Show nested quote +It's funny how stupid your argument sounds when applied to other situations right the only thing thats funny is you think you made a coherent argument
Luffy changed his destination, getting Sanji back was far more important so he put beating up Kaido on hold and went to rescue Sanji.
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On June 09 2016 01:06 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 00:17 Forikorder wrote:Getting Nami back was then technically a detour from getting to the grandline, their main destination at the time. getting Nami back was needed to even get to the grandline though, none of them could navigate at all
Getting Ace back was then technically a detour from regrouping with the crew, Luffys destination at the time
Luffy changed his destination, getting Ace back was far more important so he put reuniting on hold and went to rescue ace
Getting Robin back was then technically a detour from getting to the new world, their main destination at the time.
at that point in there story they didnt even know how to get to the new world hell im not even sure they had heard the term new world at that point in the story It's funny how stupid your argument sounds when applied to other situations right the only thing thats funny is you think you made a coherent argument Luffy changed his destination, getting Sanji back was far more important so he put beating up Kaido on hold and went to rescue Sanji.
which would only work if Luffy considered this a "rescue" hes just going to pick up Sanji
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On June 09 2016 01:12 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 01:06 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On June 09 2016 00:17 Forikorder wrote:Getting Nami back was then technically a detour from getting to the grandline, their main destination at the time. getting Nami back was needed to even get to the grandline though, none of them could navigate at all
Getting Ace back was then technically a detour from regrouping with the crew, Luffys destination at the time
Luffy changed his destination, getting Ace back was far more important so he put reuniting on hold and went to rescue ace
Getting Robin back was then technically a detour from getting to the new world, their main destination at the time.
at that point in there story they didnt even know how to get to the new world hell im not even sure they had heard the term new world at that point in the story It's funny how stupid your argument sounds when applied to other situations right the only thing thats funny is you think you made a coherent argument Luffy changed his destination, getting Sanji back was far more important so he put beating up Kaido on hold and went to rescue Sanji. which would only work if Luffy considered this a "rescue" hes just going to pick up Sanji
Pfff... how is that even relevant to whether it's a "side-plot" or "main plot". I'm sure Big Mom and Germa would consider this a "rescue".
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On June 09 2016 01:23 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 01:12 Forikorder wrote:On June 09 2016 01:06 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On June 09 2016 00:17 Forikorder wrote:Getting Nami back was then technically a detour from getting to the grandline, their main destination at the time. getting Nami back was needed to even get to the grandline though, none of them could navigate at all
Getting Ace back was then technically a detour from regrouping with the crew, Luffys destination at the time
Luffy changed his destination, getting Ace back was far more important so he put reuniting on hold and went to rescue ace
Getting Robin back was then technically a detour from getting to the new world, their main destination at the time.
at that point in there story they didnt even know how to get to the new world hell im not even sure they had heard the term new world at that point in the story It's funny how stupid your argument sounds when applied to other situations right the only thing thats funny is you think you made a coherent argument Luffy changed his destination, getting Sanji back was far more important so he put beating up Kaido on hold and went to rescue Sanji. which would only work if Luffy considered this a "rescue" hes just going to pick up Sanji Pfff... how is that even relevant to whether it's a "side-plot" or "main plot". I'm sure Big Mom and Germa would consider this a "rescue".
so? im failing to see how that matters
Luffy is currently going to Wano, on his way there he is stopping by whole cake island to pick up Sanji and then continue on to wano
instead of going straight to wano he is DETOURING to whole cake island to grab sanji and then continuing on to his true immediate goal
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On June 08 2016 11:24 Sentenal wrote:
Getting Sanji back is the main plot, though.
seriously guys zoro getting back together with sanji is the priority here
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Hasn't also been demonstrated in this arc that the crew would literally die without Sanji because Luffy is a glutton and an idiot. Not only did he eat all their rations he ate a super poisonous thing. It's like Oda was trying to show how important a cook is on a crew.
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On June 09 2016 03:02 BlackMagister wrote:
Hasn't also been demonstrated in this arc that the crew would literally die without Sanji because Luffy is a glutton and an idiot. Not only did he eat all their rations he ate a super poisonous thing. It's like Oda was trying to show how important a cook is on a crew.
I blame nami and others. They could've cooked but they let the worst person to handle doing anything remotely normal, luffy didn't even know how to cook and spent all the food testing cooking lol
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On June 09 2016 03:02 BlackMagister wrote:
Hasn't also been demonstrated in this arc that the crew would literally die without Sanji because Luffy is a glutton and an idiot. Not only did he eat all their rations he ate a super poisonous thing. It's like Oda was trying to show how important a cook is on a crew.
and then 2 pages later Nami cooks the fish they catch deliciously
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