EPTOn June 08 2016 11:24 Sentenal wrote:
Getting Sanji back is the main plot, though.
Getting Sanji back is the main plot, though.
no beating Kaidou is, its been the plot since Punk Hazard
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no beating Kaidou is, its been the plot since Punk Hazard | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
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On June 08 2016 11:33 Forikorder wrote: no beating Kaidou is, its been the plot since Punk Hazard So all the time in Dressrosa has just been a side plot to you? By that kind of logic until Luffy gets to Raftel everything is a side plot. I mean that is the main goal, every thing is just kinda shit that happens along the way so the entire manga is just a side plot until Raftel? In reality, beating Kaido is a goal that has been set for the future. It's not the main plot point right now getting Sanji back is. I don't think you know what a side plot is. Coby advancing through the marines, that's a side plot. Jinbe journey to re meet up with the straw hats, that is a side plot. Rushing into a yonko's territory to get back a crew member is not a side plot in anyway shape or form. | ||
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On June 08 2016 11:43 Forikorder wrote: there actions in Dressrossa were directly related to Laws strategy to take down Kaidou, if you dont even know that much dont comment on it How is getting Sanji back not important to beating Kaido? Having one of your strongest fighters back to fight seems pretty important. No need to get defensive just because you're always wrong. Think you'd be used to it by now... | ||
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Sentenal
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On June 08 2016 11:33 Forikorder wrote: no beating Kaidou is, its been the plot since Punk Hazard No, Luffy coming into conflict with Big Mom has been the plot since Fishman Island. | ||
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No, Luffy coming into conflict with Big Mom has been the plot since Fishman Island. no its been foreshadowed during fishman island How is getting Sanji back not important to beating Kaido? Having one of your strongest fighters back to fight seems pretty important. No need to get defensive just because you're always wrong. Think you'd be used to it by now... If Sanji hadnt gotten "kidnapped" Luffy would have absolutely no reason at all to go to whole cake island and instead would have immediately gone to Wano | ||
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On June 08 2016 11:57 Forikorder wrote: no its been foreshadowed during fishman island If Sanji hadnt gotten "kidnapped" Luffy would have absolutely no reason at all to go to whole cake island and instead would have immediately gone to Wano And if they didn't get a distress signal they would have never went to Punk Hazard and met Law and never decided to fight Kaido. So is Kaido a side plot then? Because something random happened they have to go fight this guy. Just like because something random happened they have to goto big mom(A character they actually already have a reason to fight anyway). | ||
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On June 08 2016 11:57 Forikorder wrote: no its been foreshadowed during fishman island Forikorder admitting to Oda foreshadowing something strikes me as absolutely hilarious. So I take it that you think that Sanji as a character is completely unimportant to the plot, and that without him, One Piece as a story would be more or less the same? On June 08 2016 12:04 Necro)Phagist( wrote: And if they didn't get a distress signal they would have never went to Punk Hazard and met Law and never decided to fight Kaido. So is Kaido a side plot then? Because something random happened they have to go fight this guy. Just like because something random happened they have to goto big mom(A character they actually already have a reason to fight anyway). Forikorder logic would suggest that everything is a side plot. | ||
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And if they didn't get a distress signal they would have never went to Punk Hazard and met Law and never decided to fight Kaido. So is Kaido a side plot then? Because something random happened they have to go fight this guy. Just like because something random happened they have to goto big mom(A character they actually already have a reason to fight anyway). i didnt say Sanji got kidnapped randomly, but if he didnt get kidnapped then there wouldnt be any change to there plan to take down Kaidou on punk hazard they joined law and came up with a plan to take down Kaidou, ever since everything they have done has been directly related to taking down Kaidou, ASIDE from rescuing sanji, going to whole cake island is a detour, its necesary for them to rescue sanji but its still a detour Forikorder admitting to Oda foreshadowing something strikes me as absolutely hilarious. there were better words i could have used but i knew youd love that one since you still cant comprehend that i never said Oda never foreshadows, just very rarely So I take it that you think that Sanji as a character is completely unimportant to the plot, and that without him, One Piece as a story would be more or less the same? your ability to make nonsensical leaps like this continues to astound me | ||
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On June 08 2016 12:33 Sentenal wrote: Getting Sanji back is just a side plot according to you. Therefore is not important to the plot. Or are you saying that getting Sanji back is important to the plot? the only reason there going to whole cake island is to rescue sanji, thats it, if Sanji had not been taken they would have gone to Wano do you agree with that? | ||
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On June 08 2016 12:30 Forikorder wrote: i didnt say Sanji got kidnapped randomly, but if he didnt get kidnapped then there wouldnt be any change to there plan to take down Kaidou on punk hazard they joined law and came up with a plan to take down Kaidou, ever since everything they have done has been directly related to taking down Kaidou, ASIDE from rescuing sanji, going to whole cake island is a detour, its necesary for them to rescue sanji but its still a detour there were better words i could have used but i knew youd love that one since you still cant comprehend that i never said Oda never foreshadows, just very rarely your ability to make nonsensical leaps like this continues to astound me And before all of that Luffy wanted to kick Big Mom's ass in the New World so that was the next big plot point to come. Kaido is a detour from that because of what happened on Punk Hazard. Your logic is so incredibly flawed it's like looking at swiss cheese and trying to find the biggest hole. | ||
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On June 08 2016 12:38 Forikorder wrote: the only reason there going to whole cake island is to rescue sanji, thats it, if Sanji had not been taken they would have gone to Wano do you agree with that? Thats like saying "the only reason for going to Enies Lobby is to rescue Robin, if Robin wasn't taken they would have gone forward on the Grand Line, therefore Enies Lobby was a side plot" On June 08 2016 12:41 Necro)Phagist( wrote: And before all of that Luffy wanted to kick Big Mom's ass in the New World so that was the next big plot point to come. Kaido is a detour from that because of what happened on Punk Hazard. Your logic is so incredibly flawed it's like looking at swiss cheese and trying to find the biggest hole. Plz, that was just foreshadowing a side plot, according to Forikorder | ||
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On June 08 2016 12:46 Sentenal wrote: Thats like saying "the only reason for going to Enies Lobby is to rescue Robin, if Robin wasn't taken they would have gone forward on the Grand Line, therefore Enies Lobby was a side plot" but going to enies lobby didnt distract them from anything else, they had no other goal or destination in mind | ||
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On June 08 2016 12:47 Forikorder wrote: but going to enies lobby didnt distract them from anything else, they had no other goal or destination in mind Really now? The Straw Hats had no other goals in mind? Not you know advancing in the Grand Line, getting to the new world and becoming Pirate King. No one wanted that... It's not like basically every member of the crew has a specific goal they are looking to achieve or anything. Not like achieving this goal is the entire basis for the series or anything. But naw they had nothing else they wanted to do. | ||
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On June 08 2016 12:53 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Really now? The Straw Hats had no other goals in mind? Not you know advancing in the Grand Line, getting to the new world and becoming Pirate King. No one wanted that... It's not like basically every member of the crew has a specific goal they are looking to achieve or anything. Not like achieving this goal is the entire basis for the series or anything. But naw they had nothing else they wanted to do. so are you trolling or just actually didnt understand what i meant because its very hard to tell | ||
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On June 08 2016 13:02 Forikorder wrote: so are you trolling or just actually didnt understand what i meant because its very hard to tell Honestly trolling a bit at this point because your points are just too bad to even merit proper responses anymore. Basically what I'm trying to say is, by using your logic every single arc so far is a side plot. The main goal set was to get to Raftel, everything else has been a detour because of some event like Sanji being kidnapped etc. Every reason you've mentioned for this being a side plot can be applied to going up against Kaido and basically every other arc that has happened in One Piece. | ||
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On June 08 2016 13:17 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Honestly trolling a bit at this point because your points are just too bad to even merit proper responses anymore. Basically what I'm trying to say is, by using your logic every single arc so far is a side plot. The main goal set was to get to Raftel, everything else has been a detour because of some event like Sanji being kidnapped etc. Every reason you've mentioned for this being a side plot can be applied to going up against Kaido and basically every other arc that has happened in One Piece. teeeeeeechnically but they cant just go to raftel whenever they want to they have to advance through the grand line island by island also dont forget when it comes down to it, Luffy doesnt REALLY care about finding one piece, he cares alot more about the journey then the destination thats why he would have actually quit if Rayleigh told him where one piece was Raftel is too much of a long term goal for one piece to actually focus on it, so it doesnt it has a bunch of other adventures that Luffy gets into in the process of him heading to Raftel when he first enters the grand line defeating Crocodile became his goal, exploring sky island became a goal e.t.c some goals are large like taking down Croc, some are smaller like rescuing Robin right now, getting to Raftel isnt the main thing in Luffys mind because now his immediate goal is to take down Kaidou, maybe after he does it will be Big Mam or something else, but while Raftel will always be one of Luffys goal he has no problem ignoring it for a more immediate adventure anyway from a storytelling perspective Kaidou, his minions and Wano have been hyped and now its "well get back to that after this short break on cake island" | ||
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