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On August 09 2015 13:49 BlackMagister wrote:
His men don't even seem to know Kaidou is gone hence the fakeout with the almost Kaidou reveal in the snow. Unless Kaidou has a movement ability it or a long range den den mushi it would be weird he would know about such recent news.
he seemed pretty pissed about something related to joker though
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news move faster in one piece then it does in the globalization of today
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He doesn't seem pissed he seems impatient. Kaidou says "hurry up and get stuff ready Joker" since Kaidou wants to destroy everything as he himself can't die. Kaidou did not say anything about Joker messing up the plan he just says for Joker to do X which Joker can't do now that he is captured. It seems like Kaidou doesn't know to me. This means a big plan is almost ready and we'll see it be implemented in some way in the upcoming arc.
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What Kaido was saying doesn't really make sense if he knew Doflamingo was already taken out. Thus suggesting that... he doesn't know yet. I suppose maybe the translation is wrong, but if it is, I have no way of knowing.
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I just checked the raw and I just have to say that mangareader translation is completely wrong.
He says something along the lines of, "Bastard... Hurry up, Joker! Get the last of the war preparations ready!" He doesn't realize that Joker's finished.
I think I should just read raws from now on.
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So the Mangastream translation is more or less correct. Thus, it makes sense that Kaido does not know Doflamingo got beat yet.
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I don't know why that's even brought up. Everyone knows mangareader/panda is horrible at translations, like even worse than machine translations.
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On August 10 2015 13:22 Souma wrote:
I just checked the raw and I just have to say that mangareader translation is completely wrong.
He says something along the lines of, "Bastard... Hurry up, Joker! Get the last of the war preparations ready!" He doesn't realize that Joker's finished.
I think I should just read raws from now on.
why would you ever read a translation if you can read raw?!
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On August 10 2015 20:53 Yhamm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 13:22 Souma wrote:
I just checked the raw and I just have to say that mangareader translation is completely wrong.
He says something along the lines of, "Bastard... Hurry up, Joker! Get the last of the war preparations ready!" He doesn't realize that Joker's finished.
I think I should just read raws from now on. why would you ever read a translation if you can read raw?!
That's the same question that I ask my little sister (graduated uni in Japanese). She's just too lazy and just waits for mangastream always. She said she'd also rather read RAW then Mangapanda though.
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That's the ONLY reason I ever watch anything on my native asian language, it's usually not that good but at least I can understand it without 100% concentration.
So jelly of raw readers :p Need more of Kaido
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According to a Mid 2014 interview between Eichiiro Oda and Yasutaka Nakata, Oda said that if Sakazuki were to become the protagonist, he is so strong that he could find the One Piece within a year, suggesting that he alone could be compared to a Yonko.
Interesting stuff i found from the wikia's (i was watching some of one piece funny scene's on youtube AGAIN and then i ended up reading one piece wikia again ).
i tried to find the source but only found the japanese image of the interview .
So i guess we can consider Akainu as the strongest if not at least one of the strongest like top 3 or 5. So i guess him living and continually fighting going 1 versus everybody after whitebeard died during the war after 2 point blank attacks from whitebeard is not a fluke.
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"could be compared to a Yonko" = "the strongest" or "strongest like top 3 or 5"? Make up your mind.
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Speaking of sakazuki I think his interpretation of justice is interesting. Which would be power is justice. His attitude makes sense considering oda says he is so strong. He probably considers himself as absolute justice since he is now the fleet admiral.
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On August 10 2015 20:53 Yhamm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 13:22 Souma wrote:
I just checked the raw and I just have to say that mangareader translation is completely wrong.
He says something along the lines of, "Bastard... Hurry up, Joker! Get the last of the war preparations ready!" He doesn't realize that Joker's finished.
I think I should just read raws from now on. why would you ever read a translation if you can read raw?!
I just have a habit of reading things in English lol... And I don't know what's a good place to get raws for One Piece manga.
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On August 11 2015 01:15 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +According to a Mid 2014 interview between Eichiiro Oda and Yasutaka Nakata, Oda said that if Sakazuki were to become the protagonist, he is so strong that he could find the One Piece within a year, suggesting that he alone could be compared to a Yonko. Interesting stuff i found from the wikia's (i was watching some of one piece funny scene's on youtube AGAIN and then i ended up reading one piece wikia again ). i tried to find the source but only found the japanese image of the interview . So i guess we can consider Akainu as the strongest if not at least one of the strongest like top 3 or 5. So i guess him living and continually fighting going 1 versus everybody after whitebeard died during the war after 2 point blank attacks from whitebeard is not a fluke.
So you are saying that the strongest Marine in the world could be considered one of the strongest people in the world?
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On August 11 2015 06:42 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2015 01:15 goody153 wrote:According to a Mid 2014 interview between Eichiiro Oda and Yasutaka Nakata, Oda said that if Sakazuki were to become the protagonist, he is so strong that he could find the One Piece within a year, suggesting that he alone could be compared to a Yonko. Interesting stuff i found from the wikia's (i was watching some of one piece funny scene's on youtube AGAIN and then i ended up reading one piece wikia again ). i tried to find the source but only found the japanese image of the interview . So i guess we can consider Akainu as the strongest if not at least one of the strongest like top 3 or 5. So i guess him living and continually fighting going 1 versus everybody after whitebeard died during the war after 2 point blank attacks from whitebeard is not a fluke. So you are saying that the strongest Marine in the world could be considered one of the strongest people in the world?
Opps looks like i made a statement that is an obvious thing lol
Well it was more to address that people put Akainu below Garp and others. Yeah i'll just say with whitebeard being dead he's probably the strongest right now (can't be sure though since the other 2 younko haven't showed shit yet ). I have a feeling even when whitebeard was still alive i don't think he'd really win against Akainu. When they fought whitebeard didn't look like he was ever overpowering Akainu and even at those times that Akainu took direct hit from whitebeard(i believe if that was other characters on one piece he'd/she'd be dead) it was more like he was caught off guard rather than overpowered cause akainu was able to meet whitebeard strength when they fought.
And even when he took those island splitting blows from whitebeard he was still alive and went one versus everybody when he chased ace and luffy.
Anyways it's just a discussion i wanna post cause i'm bored and i wanna talk about one piece but there's no new chapter 
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I think whiteboard in his prime could take on akainu. During marineford akainu says that even whiteboard is not immune to the effects of time. I can think of a couple times when the older generation talks about not being as strong when younger such as garp when he is chucking cannonballs at luffy and crew and Rayleigh on shabondy makes a comment about his strength not being what it once was when fighting kizaru.
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I think when whitebeard showed up at marineford he's already 70% 50% of what he's capable of, guy has tubes connected to him all the time he was basically on life support. His reflex and observation haki was so weak at that point he couldn't move effectively.
Still he was able to lay a beating on Akainu.
If he's in his prime he can definitely beat Akainu. He was the strongest man for a reason, people don't just throw random titles around, especially not one like that, universally accepted by both marines and pirates.
Which raises the question how strong Garp actually was... we tend to undervalue Garp because so few of his past actions have been explored, and we don't exactly know what powerful opponents he managed to defeat nor how he did it. Given he "cornered" Roger a few times, and the fact that an old Rayleigh manage to draw Kizaru... I think Garp in his prime must've been frightening
What do we know of Roger? The guy who's actually sailed the whole grand line. We know nothing about him. It seems like he uses a sword, probably no devil fruit, it's just so vague and we can't say exactly how strong he was.
Contrast that with Akainu. We know what he can do from the battle at marineford. We see he kills ace, beat up Jimbei, and survive an attack by white beard. Those are actions we can quantify as "wow this guy is strong".
What about shanks? Again we don't know much of his power, it has just been a vague concept. But all of a sudden he shows up at marineford, blocks Akainu from killing Coby, threatens both marines and pirates and stops the war, and everybody was like "wow he's super strong!".
TL;DR: We tend to undervalue old timers because not much of their actions have been explored, and we have not much of a comparison to draw from.
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I mean Akainu being described by Oda as "someone who would find the one piece within a year that's how strong he is" considering that most pirates search for the one piece(after Gold D. Rogers declaration) and never found it that includes whitebeard. That should mean "alot" considering that the author himself is the one who hypes Akainu as strong. (i mean it's Oda's story he can't be wrong about it)
TL;DR: We tend to undervalue old timers because not much of their actions have been explored, and we have not much of a comparison to draw from.
On that case we could also undervalue the younger generation as weaker just because the older ones are hyped and already has a history going on with them that whenever they are mentioned.
It could also be the case where the prime of the current generation is stronger than the prime of the previous generation or vice versa(like you mentioned that older generation could be stronger). Well we could compare that if he goes Oda goes Naruto route where the late fighters fought the new ones (but that would be disasterous pls no i trust in Oda he doesn't go on that bullshit)
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