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WonnaPlay
Netherlands912 Posts
On August 03 2015 22:36 goody153 wrote: idk about you but luffy made it very clear like 1827391872 times that he wanted to be the pirate king. Hmm, I'm pretty sure it is only 214 times | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
shanks = haki WB = DF power Kaido = pure physical Big mom = ? And unlike shichibukai, 4 emperors have been in their thrones for so long but yet none of them achieved the one piece/pirate king, we can be sure in the case of WB he doesn't give a shit to OP, 'family' is his core valueand everything, I would assume similar case to the rest of emperors, they are so strong, they have power and money etc they just don't give a damn about anything other than doing what they like. Luffy will not go defeat any emperor just for the sake of defeating him/her, there will some good reasons behind or he will make the emperor willingly hand over the title of an emperor, and Kaido looks like the perfect candidate. Other than the challenge of actually defeating Kaido maybe luffy will release Kaido from his suicidal mind set or something | ||
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Sableyeah
Netherlands2119 Posts
I don't see how Law would ever suggest trying to defeat Kaidou when I spose he knows what Kaidou is. He's pretty knowledgable right. But then again he's been beaten countless of times, he just doesn't die. But then how strong is he really, can we really take him seriously. | ||
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Rehio
United States1718 Posts
On August 04 2015 01:36 Sableyeah wrote: Crew :p Bigmom is shit. Only her crew is strong I don't see how Law would ever suggest trying to defeat Kaidou when I spose he knows what Kaidou is. He's pretty knowledgable right. But then again he's been beaten countless of times, he just doesn't die. But then how strong is he really, can we really take him seriously. I imagine we're going to have a Big Moment of Badassery when he turns from "Shmuck who just can't die and gets beaten a lot" to "Holy shit this guy is amazing." Maybe! Anyway, I think my default is "Yes, we take him seriously." Because he's a Yonkou for a reason. And hell, Law's specialization is medicine and who knows what secret stuff his fruit can dig up for dealing with Kaidou. Hell, maybe you just slice him up and separate the parts. That's a pretty standard way to deal with immortals. | ||
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kanchome
44 Posts
But he enjoys fighting strong opponents. Like when Crocodile starting targeting them he got super excited and was like "Can't believe I get to fight a shichibukai so soon!" He will fight the yonko because they are the strongest and he likes to fight strong opponents. Key word is "opponent". If he liked fighting the strongest he can easily have a match with his grandpa and get spanked silly. Luffy doesn't fight without a reason and doesn't make someone an opponent for the simplicity of being viewed strong. He wants to be the PK because he wants to be 'free' to travel anywhere he wants without anyone setting restrictions to his whims. (He said that when asked what being a pirate king meant). Being aknowledged as strong doesn't matter but being strong is a prequisite when other strong beings will set restrictions of him being 'free' anywhere. On the other hand luffy could easily be convinced to fight Kaido because Law could tell him that Kaido is hiding the yummiest food for himself while easily befriending him if Kaido shares meat with him. Luffy only gets serious when it comes to saving his friends and never for personal ego. If he was the kind of guy that wanted to test his strength he would have fought BB when they first met. Establishing domination or any other ruler idealogy isn't Luffy. He will fight big names because they'll restrict him from doing what he wants or harm his friends but if someone big like Shanks refused to fight him, Luffy would get agitated and behave like a child before giving up. What a lot of readers are interpreting wrong is putting their views of what pirate king (with the logical output being the strongest) on luffy's view when it is simply freedom. We already saw the upper limits to luffy's strength and it isn't anywhere near Top level when luffy beat DF the same way he beat every other big name that should have logically crushed him (plot). He isn't going to be the strongest when he becomes PK but he will have the strongest nakama's by the end that crush the WG. If Onepiece was going to revolve around luffy ending up being the strongest, Zorro would have been a much better candidate as the protaganist because that's exactly what his motive is. | ||
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kanchome
44 Posts
And unlike shichibukai, 4 emperors have been in their thrones for so long but yet none of them achieved the one piece/pirate king, we can be sure in the case of WB he doesn't give a shit to OP, 'family' is his core valueand everything, I would assume similar case to the rest of emperors, they are so strong, they have power and money etc they just don't give a damn about anything other than doing what they like. None of the Emperors want to be PK. WB just wanted to protect his sons, Kaido just wants to die, Shanks just wants to party and Big Momma just wants to eat. They fight because they have different vested interests not because they want the domain over the other. I.E Kaido suicide jumps and destroys a factory producing chocolate, Big momma gets mad and they fight. Kaido is the catalyst because his motives aren't the status quo that the other emperors want which is why he is the one that keeps picking fights. If it wasn't for Kaido I am sure none of them would really be bothered in each others affairs. | ||
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goody153
44280 Posts
On August 03 2015 23:37 WonnaPlay wrote: Hmm, I'm pretty sure it is only 214 times woah is this real numbers ? holy shit On August 04 2015 01:57 kanchome wrote: None of the Emperors want to be PK. WB just wanted to protect his sons, Kaido just wants to die, Shanks just wants to party and Big Momma just wants to eat. They fight because they have different vested interests not because they want the domain over the other. I.E Kaido suicide jumps and destroys a factory producing chocolate, Big momma gets mad and they fight. Kaido is the catalyst because his motives aren't the status quo that the other emperors want which is why he is the one that keeps picking fights. If it wasn't for Kaido I am sure none of them would really be bothered in each others affairs. Lol now that you mention this it's kinda funny but most of the time they prolly don't wanna fight cause they'd risk so much and they'd take too much damage (crew/equipment/influence/etc) Shanks prolly differs from the other emperors . Shanks feels like some kind of community captain like he likes to snoop his nose around trouble and do general good stuff. | ||
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Rehio
United States1718 Posts
Probably not, I'm afraid. | ||
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kanchome
44 Posts
Lol now that you mention this it's kinda funny but most of the time they prolly don't wanna fight cause they'd risk so much and they'd take too much damage (crew/equipment/influence/etc) I doubt that. People that strong have a seperate mentality to those in below. Those reasons are exactly why Buggy would never fight unless he knew he could win. They don't fight because in Big momma's case it would mean she'd go without food for a few hours. I'd extrapolate based on what we know of her that she'd rather lose all her crew if she was forced to choose their lives or not eat for a few hours. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2554 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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Raneth
England527 Posts
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ImDrizzt
Norway427 Posts
Seems a little, that when he wrote/drew what part, he didn't really have everything layed out, the proper power levels, and all the stories around the Yonko's n stuff.(18+ years ago). Now when we're getting it all explained, something feels a little off. (Just having Shanks and Whitebeard cling swords split the sky). I imagine The Pirate King going all out would change the topography of the Earth, killing tens of thousands, killing admiral's n whatnot. Anyone care to enlighten me? | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On August 04 2015 02:29 ImDrizzt wrote: Maybe sidetracking a little, but how did The Pirate King get caught? I mean, he had a whole badass crew, and the way he's been depicted, he was much stronger than Whitebeard. I wish there was more storytelling, pictures and imagery of some of what went down. Seems a little, that when he wrote/drew what part, he didn't really have everything layed out, the proper power levels, and all the stories around the Yonko's n stuff.(18+ years ago). Now when we're getting it all explained, something feels a little off. (Just having Shanks and Whitebeard cling swords split the sky). I imagine The Pirate King going all out would change the topography of the Earth, killing tens of thousands, killing admiral's n whatnot. Anyone care to enlighten me? He turned himself in after he found out he had an incurable disease and used his death and treasure announcement to inspire the age of pirates | ||
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Raneth
England527 Posts
In fact, I think it was fan theory, the idea being that he found one piece but knew he couldn't do any more becuase of his health, so he surrendered in order to start the great pirate era some someone else would in his stead? I think? All fan theory, but a decent explanation imo. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On August 04 2015 02:29 ImDrizzt wrote: Maybe sidetracking a little, but how did The Pirate King get caught? I mean, he had a whole badass crew, and the way he's been depicted, he was much stronger than Whitebeard. I wish there was more storytelling, pictures and imagery of some of what went down. Seems a little, that when he wrote/drew what part, he didn't really have everything layed out, the proper power levels, and all the stories around the Yonko's n stuff.(18+ years ago). Now when we're getting it all explained, something feels a little off. (Just having Shanks and Whitebeard cling swords split the sky). I imagine The Pirate King going all out would change the topography of the Earth, killing tens of thousands, killing admiral's n whatnot. Anyone care to enlighten me? He probably wasn't that much stronger then Whitebeard as they said that he went toe to toe with Roger many times. Also as was mentioned Roger turned himself in since he knew was dying. That is when he told his old rival Garp about his son. | ||
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sumsaR
Sweden1812 Posts
On August 03 2015 19:20 kanchome wrote: http://s1.1zoom.me/big3/792/395531-sepik.jpg Kaido is more like the centaur with SK's reincarnation skill with huskar's beserker blood, Lifestealers Enrage and Bloodseeker's Bloodrage. A hard carry that 5v1's your team and knows he's going to win. Kaido is Centaur after he got Stampede and before it was nerfed in 6.76c, as he could kind of 5v1 your team with Heart. That insane damage from his ulti (100/150/200 + 2x Centaur's Strength!). | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On August 04 2015 02:42 Slaughter wrote: He probably wasn't that much stronger then Whitebeard as they said that he went toe to toe with Roger many times. Also as was mentioned Roger turned himself in since he knew was dying. That is when he told his old rival Garp about his son. The question is, how much weaker was Marineford Whitebeard compared to the Whitebeard that became Yonkou and fought with Roger? | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On August 04 2015 02:29 ImDrizzt wrote: Maybe sidetracking a little, but how did The Pirate King get caught? I mean, he had a whole badass crew, and the way he's been depicted, he was much stronger than Whitebeard. I wish there was more storytelling, pictures and imagery of some of what went down. Seems a little, that when he wrote/drew what part, he didn't really have everything layed out, the proper power levels, and all the stories around the Yonko's n stuff.(18+ years ago). Now when we're getting it all explained, something feels a little off. (Just having Shanks and Whitebeard cling swords split the sky). I imagine The Pirate King going all out would change the topography of the Earth, killing tens of thousands, killing admiral's n whatnot. Anyone care to enlighten me? There was. I think it was in One Piece chapter 0 that Oda wrote for either Strong World or Film Z. But Gold Roger getting captured is covered in that. On August 04 2015 03:35 ticklishmusic wrote: The question is, how much weaker was Marineford Whitebeard compared to the Whitebeard that became Yonkou and fought with Roger? Whitebeard in his Prime was probably significantly stronger, but who knows, we know next to nothing about his exploits back then. | ||
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