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This was probably brought up when Awakened Fruits were first introduced, so I'm probably late on this, but - Do you think Whitebeard's quake power breaking the "air" and cracking the sky a sign of his Awakened power?
I can't recall seeing Blackbeard using it after he stole it, though, so if he used it the same way that might invalidate that.
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Sabo > Law >= Luffy for now imo
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feels like Sabo is just another version of Vergo but multiple times better obviously .. he's prolly gonna not gonna survive against G4 luffy head on
On July 05 2015 23:50 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2015 14:19 Forikorder wrote:On July 05 2015 09:54 goody153 wrote:
i doubt law and sabo are stronger than luffy in general(luffy G4 wayyy too broken if that wasn't doflamingo most would prolly instantly lose) but i can see both beating enemies luffy can't i think law is being overestimated in all honesty, as flashy as his fruit is its not really suited to straight up fighting its really more of a utility fruit then a combat fruit I disagree, he can do so much with his fruit in combat that is insanely overpowered. Swinging at random objects and teleporting his opponent into them. Long range cutting in half. Teleporting in general to avoid attacks or move behind enemies etc. So much versatility to use in combat basically with his fruit his imagination is his limit for what he can do in a fight, its insane.
idk about insanely overpowered
it's shown that he can't long range cut or mess with someone who has equal or higher haki capabilities/strength than him like luffy/doflamingo/akainu .. and against opponents who could smash terrain/concrete/w/e easily like zoro/akainu/destructive logia/really strong haki dudes i doubt moving objects against like those opponents matter at all
not to mention it tires the user .. and it shows that law isn't exactly superb in fighting like luffy/doflamingo that even with his positioning manipulation with the fruit doesn't matter much
also forikorder is right about zoro being able to do the same shit as law just by being a better swordsman even without the fruit (i assume at this point zoro is the better swordsman as fighter though arguable)
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Law's fruit may be very versatile but everything he does cost a lot of energy, to him. He seriously lacks stamina. Begining of the arc, I don't even know what happened but he said that he couldn't do too much at that point in time because he had to preserve energy.
When you compare that to Doflamingo who no doubt constantly controls a lot of his strings, it's a huge difference in stamina, even after the fight he didn't fell to Luffy because he couldn't use his attacks anymore but he's just beat up.
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On July 06 2015 03:10 goody153 wrote:feels like Sabo is just another version of Vergo but multiple times better obviously .. he's prolly gonna not gonna survive against G4 luffy head on Show nested quote +On July 05 2015 23:50 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 05 2015 14:19 Forikorder wrote:On July 05 2015 09:54 goody153 wrote:
i doubt law and sabo are stronger than luffy in general(luffy G4 wayyy too broken if that wasn't doflamingo most would prolly instantly lose) but i can see both beating enemies luffy can't i think law is being overestimated in all honesty, as flashy as his fruit is its not really suited to straight up fighting its really more of a utility fruit then a combat fruit I disagree, he can do so much with his fruit in combat that is insanely overpowered. Swinging at random objects and teleporting his opponent into them. Long range cutting in half. Teleporting in general to avoid attacks or move behind enemies etc. So much versatility to use in combat basically with his fruit his imagination is his limit for what he can do in a fight, its insane. idk about insanely overpowered it's shown that he can't long range cut or mess with someone who has equal or higher haki capabilities/strength than him like luffy/doflamingo/akainu .. and against opponents who could smash terrain/concrete/w/e easily like zoro/akainu/destructive logia/really strong haki dudes i doubt moving objects against like those opponents matter at all not to mention it tires the user .. and it shows that law isn't exactly superb in fighting like luffy/doflamingo that even with his positioning manipulation with the fruit doesn't matter much also forikorder is right about zoro being able to do the same shit as law just by being a better swordsman even without the fruit (i assume at this point zoro is the better swordsman as fighter though arguable)
Except he cut through Vergo at full haki. Vergo who was said to have incredibly strong haki and could clearly overpower Law.
If Law was more into combat, he'd be godly. It's just he's more about actually using the medical side of the fruit.
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On July 06 2015 09:35 killa_robot wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 03:10 goody153 wrote:feels like Sabo is just another version of Vergo but multiple times better obviously .. he's prolly gonna not gonna survive against G4 luffy head on On July 05 2015 23:50 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 05 2015 14:19 Forikorder wrote:On July 05 2015 09:54 goody153 wrote:
i doubt law and sabo are stronger than luffy in general(luffy G4 wayyy too broken if that wasn't doflamingo most would prolly instantly lose) but i can see both beating enemies luffy can't i think law is being overestimated in all honesty, as flashy as his fruit is its not really suited to straight up fighting its really more of a utility fruit then a combat fruit I disagree, he can do so much with his fruit in combat that is insanely overpowered. Swinging at random objects and teleporting his opponent into them. Long range cutting in half. Teleporting in general to avoid attacks or move behind enemies etc. So much versatility to use in combat basically with his fruit his imagination is his limit for what he can do in a fight, its insane. idk about insanely overpowered it's shown that he can't long range cut or mess with someone who has equal or higher haki capabilities/strength than him like luffy/doflamingo/akainu .. and against opponents who could smash terrain/concrete/w/e easily like zoro/akainu/destructive logia/really strong haki dudes i doubt moving objects against like those opponents matter at all not to mention it tires the user .. and it shows that law isn't exactly superb in fighting like luffy/doflamingo that even with his positioning manipulation with the fruit doesn't matter much also forikorder is right about zoro being able to do the same shit as law just by being a better swordsman even without the fruit (i assume at this point zoro is the better swordsman as fighter though arguable) Except he cut through Vergo at full haki. Vergo who was said to have incredibly strong haki and could clearly overpower Law. If Law was more into combat, he'd be godly. It's just he's more about actually using the medical side of the fruit.
Come on he obviously doesn't have a haki as strong as an admiral or doflamingo or luffy it should be very obvious that he's a tier below them.
Vergo doesn't have that incredible haki like Luffy/Doflamingo obviously cause if he did. Law should have been able to do the same to doflamingo or even to the admiral.
also He is into combat do you not listen to the story he has been trained by everything that doflamingo had. He just doesn't make the cut that he has to rely on luffy to beat doflamingo. Even in his saving energy state he could not beat doflamingo multiple times who wasn't even trying to kill him.
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Of course Sabo's stronger than Luffy, he's his big brother. Just like Ace was stronger than Luffy, and Garp is stronger than Dragon who's stronger than Sabo/Ace/Luffy. Must have some order within the "family tree".
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On July 06 2015 09:35 killa_robot wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 03:10 goody153 wrote:feels like Sabo is just another version of Vergo but multiple times better obviously .. he's prolly gonna not gonna survive against G4 luffy head on On July 05 2015 23:50 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 05 2015 14:19 Forikorder wrote:On July 05 2015 09:54 goody153 wrote:
i doubt law and sabo are stronger than luffy in general(luffy G4 wayyy too broken if that wasn't doflamingo most would prolly instantly lose) but i can see both beating enemies luffy can't i think law is being overestimated in all honesty, as flashy as his fruit is its not really suited to straight up fighting its really more of a utility fruit then a combat fruit I disagree, he can do so much with his fruit in combat that is insanely overpowered. Swinging at random objects and teleporting his opponent into them. Long range cutting in half. Teleporting in general to avoid attacks or move behind enemies etc. So much versatility to use in combat basically with his fruit his imagination is his limit for what he can do in a fight, its insane. idk about insanely overpowered it's shown that he can't long range cut or mess with someone who has equal or higher haki capabilities/strength than him like luffy/doflamingo/akainu .. and against opponents who could smash terrain/concrete/w/e easily like zoro/akainu/destructive logia/really strong haki dudes i doubt moving objects against like those opponents matter at all not to mention it tires the user .. and it shows that law isn't exactly superb in fighting like luffy/doflamingo that even with his positioning manipulation with the fruit doesn't matter much also forikorder is right about zoro being able to do the same shit as law just by being a better swordsman even without the fruit (i assume at this point zoro is the better swordsman as fighter though arguable) Except he cut through Vergo at full haki. Vergo who was said to have incredibly strong haki and could clearly overpower Law. If Law was more into combat, he'd be godly. It's just he's more about actually using the medical side of the fruit.
Vergo was being stupid there and got baited, he could have just dodged the slash but he decided to simply take it head on
theres no way Law would actually beat Luffy in a straight up fight
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On July 06 2015 14:32 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 09:35 killa_robot wrote:On July 06 2015 03:10 goody153 wrote:feels like Sabo is just another version of Vergo but multiple times better obviously .. he's prolly gonna not gonna survive against G4 luffy head on On July 05 2015 23:50 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 05 2015 14:19 Forikorder wrote:On July 05 2015 09:54 goody153 wrote:
i doubt law and sabo are stronger than luffy in general(luffy G4 wayyy too broken if that wasn't doflamingo most would prolly instantly lose) but i can see both beating enemies luffy can't i think law is being overestimated in all honesty, as flashy as his fruit is its not really suited to straight up fighting its really more of a utility fruit then a combat fruit I disagree, he can do so much with his fruit in combat that is insanely overpowered. Swinging at random objects and teleporting his opponent into them. Long range cutting in half. Teleporting in general to avoid attacks or move behind enemies etc. So much versatility to use in combat basically with his fruit his imagination is his limit for what he can do in a fight, its insane. idk about insanely overpowered it's shown that he can't long range cut or mess with someone who has equal or higher haki capabilities/strength than him like luffy/doflamingo/akainu .. and against opponents who could smash terrain/concrete/w/e easily like zoro/akainu/destructive logia/really strong haki dudes i doubt moving objects against like those opponents matter at all not to mention it tires the user .. and it shows that law isn't exactly superb in fighting like luffy/doflamingo that even with his positioning manipulation with the fruit doesn't matter much also forikorder is right about zoro being able to do the same shit as law just by being a better swordsman even without the fruit (i assume at this point zoro is the better swordsman as fighter though arguable) Except he cut through Vergo at full haki. Vergo who was said to have incredibly strong haki and could clearly overpower Law. If Law was more into combat, he'd be godly. It's just he's more about actually using the medical side of the fruit. Vergo was being stupid there and got baited, he could have just dodged the slash but he decided to simply take it head on theres no way Law would actually beat Luffy in a straight up fight
That is just pointless speculation, there is no way to know who would win in a straight up fight as they are so close and it will never happen.
Luffy maybe stronger in terms of haki and physical strength but Law is 1000x smarter and would prepare for the fight. Luffy struggled a bit against Usopp who used his brains to fight Luffy, what do you think Law who is smarter then Usopp and closer to Luffy in strength then Usopp was, would be able to do to him.
The fight won't happen, both are close in terms of skill and strength, opposite fighting styles. They only way you can say Luffy would win for sure is because he is the main character. If he wasn't and they fought it could be either of them who would win.
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From what we've seen from Luffy and Law, Luffy would win because of plot protection but Law is clearly smarter and way more cunning.
I could see him take out Luffy
In a straight up fight and with luffy lacking long range skills(meaning he would always get up close with law), law has the upper hand thanks to room.. if the fight got delayed and Luffy would have the advantage in stamina
Fruit LAW
Strengt Luffy
Stamina Luffy
Speed luffy
Brain Law
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Pretty sure Doflamingo was a really smart fighter.
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On July 06 2015 00:40 Rehio wrote:
This was probably brought up when Awakened Fruits were first introduced, so I'm probably late on this, but - Do you think Whitebeard's quake power breaking the "air" and cracking the sky a sign of his Awakened power?
I can't recall seeing Blackbeard using it after he stole it, though, so if he used it the same way that might invalidate that.
Yeah I thought about that. Whitebeard not only cracked the air but also almost flipped the entire island. However, Blackbeard did roughly the same thing after only having the fruit for like 5 minutes. Either he's been fantasizing using the fruit and "training" himself for years or the fruit literally just allows you to level entire islands from the start.
...And if that's true, what the hell would an awakened Gura Gura do? Just disintegrate everything and turn everything around you into dust? Jesus.
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Vergo's haki could in fact be as strong as that of an admiral or Luffys (or even stronger); he is simply not as fast as them, his observation haki might be lacking, too.
maybe his real "power" isnt as strong as well.
just a strong armament haki doesn't make you a godly fighter
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Only plot ever wins.
DD is far stronger than Luffy and Law combined and you could probably include the entire Straw hats and Laws crew but Plot determines that DD must lose.
Sure Law is smarter and has a far more OP fruit than luffy but who cares. Plot is all that matters.
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On July 07 2015 08:17 shark. wrote:
Only plot ever wins.
DD is far stronger than Luffy and Law combined and you could probably include the entire Straw hats and Laws crew but Plot determines that DD must lose.
Sure Law is smarter and has a far more OP fruit than luffy but who cares. Plot is all that matters.
"Because the stronger side has always won every battle ever."
-History
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On July 07 2015 08:46 LaughingTulkas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 08:17 shark. wrote:
Only plot ever wins.
DD is far stronger than Luffy and Law combined and you could probably include the entire Straw hats and Laws crew but Plot determines that DD must lose.
Sure Law is smarter and has a far more OP fruit than luffy but who cares. Plot is all that matters.
"Because the stronger side has always won every battle ever." -History
That is only true if it is tautologically true, in that your definition of strength presupposes winning.
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On July 07 2015 08:56 Raneth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 08:46 LaughingTulkas wrote:On July 07 2015 08:17 shark. wrote:
Only plot ever wins.
DD is far stronger than Luffy and Law combined and you could probably include the entire Straw hats and Laws crew but Plot determines that DD must lose.
Sure Law is smarter and has a far more OP fruit than luffy but who cares. Plot is all that matters.
"Because the stronger side has always won every battle ever." -History That is only true if it is tautologically true, in that your definition of strength presupposes winning.
Check the batteries on your sarcasm detector.
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On July 07 2015 09:08 LaughingTulkas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 08:56 Raneth wrote:On July 07 2015 08:46 LaughingTulkas wrote:On July 07 2015 08:17 shark. wrote:
Only plot ever wins.
DD is far stronger than Luffy and Law combined and you could probably include the entire Straw hats and Laws crew but Plot determines that DD must lose.
Sure Law is smarter and has a far more OP fruit than luffy but who cares. Plot is all that matters.
"Because the stronger side has always won every battle ever." -History That is only true if it is tautologically true, in that your definition of strength presupposes winning. Check the batteries on your sarcasm detector.
Apologies, but with retard posts being so common in this thread I don't think you can blame me for not immediately asuming that stupid things are sarcastic 
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On July 06 2015 11:51 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 09:35 killa_robot wrote:On July 06 2015 03:10 goody153 wrote:feels like Sabo is just another version of Vergo but multiple times better obviously .. he's prolly gonna not gonna survive against G4 luffy head on On July 05 2015 23:50 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 05 2015 14:19 Forikorder wrote:On July 05 2015 09:54 goody153 wrote:
i doubt law and sabo are stronger than luffy in general(luffy G4 wayyy too broken if that wasn't doflamingo most would prolly instantly lose) but i can see both beating enemies luffy can't i think law is being overestimated in all honesty, as flashy as his fruit is its not really suited to straight up fighting its really more of a utility fruit then a combat fruit I disagree, he can do so much with his fruit in combat that is insanely overpowered. Swinging at random objects and teleporting his opponent into them. Long range cutting in half. Teleporting in general to avoid attacks or move behind enemies etc. So much versatility to use in combat basically with his fruit his imagination is his limit for what he can do in a fight, its insane. idk about insanely overpowered it's shown that he can't long range cut or mess with someone who has equal or higher haki capabilities/strength than him like luffy/doflamingo/akainu .. and against opponents who could smash terrain/concrete/w/e easily like zoro/akainu/destructive logia/really strong haki dudes i doubt moving objects against like those opponents matter at all not to mention it tires the user .. and it shows that law isn't exactly superb in fighting like luffy/doflamingo that even with his positioning manipulation with the fruit doesn't matter much also forikorder is right about zoro being able to do the same shit as law just by being a better swordsman even without the fruit (i assume at this point zoro is the better swordsman as fighter though arguable) Except he cut through Vergo at full haki. Vergo who was said to have incredibly strong haki and could clearly overpower Law. If Law was more into combat, he'd be godly. It's just he's more about actually using the medical side of the fruit. Come on he obviously doesn't have a haki as strong as an admiral or doflamingo or luffy it should be very obvious that he's a tier below them. Vergo doesn't have that incredible haki like Luffy/Doflamingo obviously cause if he did. Law should have been able to do the same to doflamingo or even to the admiral.also He is into combat do you not listen to the story he has been trained by everything that doflamingo had. He just doesn't make the cut that he has to rely on luffy to beat doflamingo. Even in his saving energy state he could not beat doflamingo multiple times who wasn't even trying to kill him.
Yes he does. He's been proficient in Haki since he was a young marine. Hell, this guys was basically the poster child of Haki in the last arc.
As for "doing the same", Law baited Vergo and only got him due to Vergo thinking he was no longer a threat due to him beating the shit out of Law. Playing possum wouldn't work against people that expect him to do well.
On July 06 2015 14:32 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 09:35 killa_robot wrote:On July 06 2015 03:10 goody153 wrote:feels like Sabo is just another version of Vergo but multiple times better obviously .. he's prolly gonna not gonna survive against G4 luffy head on On July 05 2015 23:50 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 05 2015 14:19 Forikorder wrote:On July 05 2015 09:54 goody153 wrote:
i doubt law and sabo are stronger than luffy in general(luffy G4 wayyy too broken if that wasn't doflamingo most would prolly instantly lose) but i can see both beating enemies luffy can't i think law is being overestimated in all honesty, as flashy as his fruit is its not really suited to straight up fighting its really more of a utility fruit then a combat fruit I disagree, he can do so much with his fruit in combat that is insanely overpowered. Swinging at random objects and teleporting his opponent into them. Long range cutting in half. Teleporting in general to avoid attacks or move behind enemies etc. So much versatility to use in combat basically with his fruit his imagination is his limit for what he can do in a fight, its insane. idk about insanely overpowered it's shown that he can't long range cut or mess with someone who has equal or higher haki capabilities/strength than him like luffy/doflamingo/akainu .. and against opponents who could smash terrain/concrete/w/e easily like zoro/akainu/destructive logia/really strong haki dudes i doubt moving objects against like those opponents matter at all not to mention it tires the user .. and it shows that law isn't exactly superb in fighting like luffy/doflamingo that even with his positioning manipulation with the fruit doesn't matter much also forikorder is right about zoro being able to do the same shit as law just by being a better swordsman even without the fruit (i assume at this point zoro is the better swordsman as fighter though arguable) Except he cut through Vergo at full haki. Vergo who was said to have incredibly strong haki and could clearly overpower Law. If Law was more into combat, he'd be godly. It's just he's more about actually using the medical side of the fruit. Vergo was being stupid there and got baited, he could have just dodged the slash but he decided to simply take it head on theres no way Law would actually beat Luffy in a straight up fight
If he trained himself to fight with his fruit of course he could. But he hasn't, so he can't.
Law has all the base stats to be an incredible fighter, he just doesn't have the training, so he's not one.
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On July 06 2015 23:56 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 14:32 Forikorder wrote:On July 06 2015 09:35 killa_robot wrote:On July 06 2015 03:10 goody153 wrote:feels like Sabo is just another version of Vergo but multiple times better obviously .. he's prolly gonna not gonna survive against G4 luffy head on On July 05 2015 23:50 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On July 05 2015 14:19 Forikorder wrote:On July 05 2015 09:54 goody153 wrote:
i doubt law and sabo are stronger than luffy in general(luffy G4 wayyy too broken if that wasn't doflamingo most would prolly instantly lose) but i can see both beating enemies luffy can't i think law is being overestimated in all honesty, as flashy as his fruit is its not really suited to straight up fighting its really more of a utility fruit then a combat fruit I disagree, he can do so much with his fruit in combat that is insanely overpowered. Swinging at random objects and teleporting his opponent into them. Long range cutting in half. Teleporting in general to avoid attacks or move behind enemies etc. So much versatility to use in combat basically with his fruit his imagination is his limit for what he can do in a fight, its insane. idk about insanely overpowered it's shown that he can't long range cut or mess with someone who has equal or higher haki capabilities/strength than him like luffy/doflamingo/akainu .. and against opponents who could smash terrain/concrete/w/e easily like zoro/akainu/destructive logia/really strong haki dudes i doubt moving objects against like those opponents matter at all not to mention it tires the user .. and it shows that law isn't exactly superb in fighting like luffy/doflamingo that even with his positioning manipulation with the fruit doesn't matter much also forikorder is right about zoro being able to do the same shit as law just by being a better swordsman even without the fruit (i assume at this point zoro is the better swordsman as fighter though arguable) Except he cut through Vergo at full haki. Vergo who was said to have incredibly strong haki and could clearly overpower Law. If Law was more into combat, he'd be godly. It's just he's more about actually using the medical side of the fruit. Vergo was being stupid there and got baited, he could have just dodged the slash but he decided to simply take it head on theres no way Law would actually beat Luffy in a straight up fight That is just pointless speculation, there is no way to know who would win in a straight up fight as they are so close and it will never happen. Luffy maybe stronger in terms of haki and physical strength but Law is 1000x smarter and would prepare for the fight. Luffy struggled a bit against Usopp who used his brains to fight Luffy, what do you think Law who is smarter then Usopp and closer to Luffy in strength then Usopp was, would be able to do to him. The fight won't happen, both are close in terms of skill and strength, opposite fighting styles. They only way you can say Luffy would win for sure is because he is the main character. If he wasn't and they fought it could be either of them who would win.
ya sure Usopp pulled some tricks but when it comes down to it Luffy still mopped him up
Luffy is "dumb" but hes also smart hes not book smart but he figures things out quick
in DnD terms his Int may be garbage but his Wis is pretty damn good hes gotten out of more then a couple tight spots with quick thinking
If he trained himself to fight with his fruit of course he could. But he hasn't, so he can't.
Law has all the base stats to be an incredible fighter, he just doesn't have the training, so he's not one.
im hes lived his entire life planning to kill Doflamingo and is a captain of a pirate crew aiming to take down one of the emporers AND is presumably aiming for OP
why would he not train to fight?
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